Apple CEO Tim Cook Uses Vision Pro Every Day

[RightOnThru]

I was hoping it would be cooler than it actually is. My wife picked one up in lieu of a new laptop (her old one at the time was a 2015 MBA). We thought there was a chance it could somehow be more convenient.

While it's an impressive tech demo (tracking and input are very natural), the weight and bulk of it make it difficult to be a daily driver for anything. We wish we could trade it in as it's now only used 1-2 times a month. I got her a new 14" Macbook Pro M3 instead and she uses that far more often.

One other thing I found funny, AVP to me still means "Alien vs Predator". I'll know Apple succeeded with the Vision Pro when AVP no longer means a silly movie.

 

[Mveight]

It’s quaint to think Tim has this thing strapped to his face all day, but it’s also laughably unbelievable

 

[citysnaps]

It’s quaint to think Tim has this thing strapped to his face all day, but it’s also laughably unbelievable

Did Cook or someone claim it was strapped to his face all day?

 

[falkon-engine]

Apple needs Jobs’ maniacal focus on simplicity and UI design.

 

[zakarhino]

This is the type of comments that are actually useful and leaves a real taste of how people are finding it.

If you don’t mind: How would you compare it to an Apple Studio Display if you have used one?
(Myself settled for ASD because an XDR is just too out of my justifiable use case budget).

——
Else, regarding this forum’s comments:
The short ones like “Tim is lying” (I also think he is stretching it) or the funny ones are all fine… but else it’s truly tiring the snarky remarks of people that have no need nor interest of it, will never ever have one in their lifetimes and don’t even care about VR at all. All in the name of quick likes harvesting.

Heck, some go as far as passively aggressively suggest “well, a few comments say more about the commenters than about Apple and its Vision Pro”. Alright, fine, walk that talk, state exactly what in a couple of paragraphs.

People could learn a thing or two from the commenter over here who made an honest attempt at how he is finding it in its current state.
No wonder so many familiar and appreciated useful contributors just get tired and disappear into the internet to never be heard of again around here.

In my experience nothing beats a real monitor. I tried the virtual monitor a few times and ended up wanting to just use the laptop screen. The resolution is just not there if you're used to 4k monitors at native scaling. The foveated imaging trick they use is especially noticeable when using Mac Virtual Display. It doesn't match up to the idealistic expectation of having a floating monitor on par with a real one. At the end of the day every single experience in Apple Vision Pro does not transcend the hardware. As I always like to say: Apple Vision Pro never lets you forget you're wearing a VR headset. It's not magical yet, it's not like using AirPods with transparency mode which meets such a high bar of quality that you really feel like you're not wearing IEMs.

 

[citysnaps]

So, the “future of computing” is watching Ted Lasso and having floating 2-D windows. Translation: even the CEO cannot articulate a reason for this thing to exist.

That could certainly be *your* future if you wanted it to be. Projecting that on others who use computers daily is quite a stretch.

With respect to AR/VR uses... In the past I've listed about 30 or more here. No doubt that barely scratches the surface.

 

[GrayFlannel]

Well done Tim. You answered every question.

 

[subjonas]

It's more comfortable to watch a movie on a 100 foot screen that's 25 feet away (in virtual space) than it is to watch the same movie on a two-foot screen that's closer to your face so it takes up the same part of your FOV.

Reading a web page that's 25 feed away is not comfortable even if you scale up the window so it looks 100 feet in size.

Why do you think this is the case that they’re so different?

 

[ndouglas]

all aspects? 😵‍💫😳🤯

 

[Crow_Servo]

He also wears an Apple Watch Ultra. He’s clearly a badass.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

Too bad apple didn't figure out how to patent watching videos on a AR/VR headset. Biggest fail right there. You can watch videos on other VR headsets.

I would imagine you are smart enough to realize that cannot be patented, so I would assume you were joking. 🤣

 

[Amazing Iceman]

It seems pretty disingenuous to me to pretend like any significant portion of MacBook buyers are buying a loaded out Pro model with an M3 Max. The best selling MacBook is the Air, almost no one is buying a $3500 macbook. When there is a MacBook Air equivalent of this device, it will sell quite well. Price and weight are the biggest problems.

I had no trouble buying my 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro 2 TB, 64 GB RAM when it came out. I happily spent $3400 because I knew it was worth it for what I needed it. And it's going to last me at least 5 years as my primary Mac, then it will take place of my secondary Mac, and so on.
I took the time to save for it.
If my needs were different I would have purchased a MacBook Air.
Each user has different needs and there's a product for each one of them.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

I am sorry no I have not, the ordering process is a nightmare, there is no one size fits all. Than there is weight or to quote Elvis:

"If you let your head get too big, it’ll break your neck."

Do not forget the motion sickness saga, but we will leave that for the courts!

Sorry Cook & the Apple Fan Boys this fashion statement died in the 80s.

Motion sickness??? Lol... hahahah! some people get motion sickness from anything. So if they get sick, they should not use it. Weaklings!

Geez! I can smell the hatred from a mile away. I think you are in the wrong forum.

 

[doelcm82]

So, the “future of computing” is watching Ted Lasso and having floating 2-D windows. Translation: even the CEO cannot articulate a reason for this thing to exist.

That could certainly be *your* future if you wanted it to be. Projecting that on others who use computers daily is quite a stretch.

With respect to AR/VR uses... In the past I've listed about 30 or more here. No doubt that barely scratches the surface.

There are more use-cases in heaven, earth, and the metaverse than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Someyoungguy.

 

[Tomasulu]

So imagine if the entire family wears corrective glasses. Myopia is very common in Asia. To get inserts for everyone is a big hassle and expense. Especially for kids whose myopia may worsen over time. This device is just the embodiment of the worst of apples instinct - a niche and overly expensive product that has limited use case and one that can’t be used by half the folks around you.

 

[bbednarz]

So imagine if the entire family wears corrective glasses. Myopia is very common in Asia. To get inserts for everyone is a big hassle and expense. Especially for kids whose myopia may worsen over time. This device is just the embodiment of the worst of apples instinct - a niche and overly expensive product that has limited use case and one that can’t be used by half the folks around you.

Give it 10 years and revisit. You're complaining that every member of a household cannot use a 1st generation product that was never intended to be used by multiple people. Did the iPhone come out and start on 3rd base or did it build up to where its been the last 5-6 years?

 

[joelypolly]

This is the type of comments that are actually useful and leaves a real taste of how people are finding it.

If you don’t mind: How would you compare it to an Apple Studio Display if you have used one?
(Myself settled for ASD because an XDR is just too out of my justifiable use case budget).

——
Else, regarding this forum’s comments:
The short ones like “Tim is lying” (I also think he is stretching it) or the funny ones are all fine… but else it’s truly tiring the snarky remarks of people that have no need nor interest of it, will never ever have one in their lifetimes and don’t even care about VR at all. All in the name of quick likes harvesting.

Heck, some go as far as passively aggressively suggest “well, a few comments say more about the commenters than about Apple and its Vision Pro”. Alright, fine, walk that talk, state exactly what in a couple of paragraphs.

People could learn a thing or two from the commenter over here who made an honest attempt at how he is finding it in its current state.
No wonder so many familiar and appreciated useful contributors just get tired and disappear into the internet to never be heard of again around here.

I think it doesn't really compare if the screen you create is the same size as the ASD as the PPI just isn't there. But the Vision Pro allows you to put an ~100"+ TV about 3 feet from your face so what you loose in terms of resolution at a pixel level you make up for in sheer size.

Video and app built for the Vision Pro are what I would consider much more cinema like. 3D movies are beyond what cinemas are able to do today honestly there clean stereo separation is awesome.

Immersive experiences (if you have the money) are honestly worth the price of entry for me. It's probably the closest to being there that can't really be easily conveyed unless you have tried the device. I'd say even previous VR experience isn't really going to prepare you for how REAL real life looks when shot in the format.

 

[Arran]

People would finance their way into Vision Pro if they thought it was good, just like MacBook Pro.

VP simply ain't good.

I don't think it's a case of it not being good. From what I've heard, most people who try it are impressed.

I think it's more case of it not being relevant or, more pointedly, indispensable in ordinary people's lives. It's an expensive novelty - not a must-have. Unlike the MacBook, or the iPhone, or the iPod which - in their time - were products that consumers craved because they already owned competing products - but those products were just so completely awful.

 

[joelypolly]

So imagine if the entire family wears corrective glasses. Myopia is very common in Asia. To get inserts for everyone is a big hassle and expense. Especially for kids whose myopia may worsen over time. This device is just the embodiment of the worst of apples instinct - a niche and overly expensive product that has limited use case and one that can’t be used by half the folks around you.

I thought the inserts were pretty reasonably priced starting at 99 bucks. Cheaper than most pairs of glasses you'd get in store. Takes a few seconds to swap out.

 

[BGPL]

This doesn't change my opinion of vision pro. He uses one because he got one for free.

 

[swester]

You're complaining that every member of a household cannot use a 1st generation product that was never intended to be used by multiple people. Did the iPhone come out and start on 3rd base or did it build up to where its been the last 5-6 years?

The iPhone didn't start on third base. It was a home run. From Gen 1, they were the hottest tech device anyone could get your hands on at the time. Lines of people camping out for each iteration. iPhone update keynotes were basically rock concerts.

So far, AVP's trajectory is on par with, say, the original Cinema Studio Display - also a wonderful device, but at a price point and utility that wasn't destined for mass adoption.

 

[subjonas]

It’s even worse. It’s two tiny screens offset a few pixels from one another to simulate depth on lenses that are focused to a fixed 2 meter plane. It’s a mere illusion. I’ll take my real big OLED TV anytime.

This is a very perplexing position. I understand preferring your TV for its practical advantages, but not because of the principle that it takes up physical space. If you take a principled stand against anything that is simulated/virtual/illusory, that’s a huge can of worms to open, and implicates even your TV and even your own eye-brain biology.

 

[subjonas]

Same, I love my Sony OLED. And the best part is multiple people can sit in the room and watch the same thing and SOCIALIZE. It seems people are allergic to that these days.

People can love both of course. Humans should have a healthy balance of social and private life. It seems many VP critics swing the pendulum too far in the opposite direction, as if it’s healthy to be socializing every waking moment.

 

[Tomasulu]

Give it 10 years and revisit. You're complaining that every member of a household cannot use a 1st generation product that was never intended to be used by multiple people. Did the iPhone come out and start on 3rd base or did it build up to where its been the last 5-6 years?

My meta quest 2 is used by the entire family. When we have visitors they love to try it on. And that’s for a product that’s so much cheaper. Meaning we can afford to get more than one if we love it. I imagine if I bought the Vision Pro it will be sitting on the desk looking pretty and precious. A big part of the value proposition is entertainment and consuming content. But it’s not for everyone unless they’ve a custom insert. If all you can say is wait ten years then we don’t even need this conversation.

 

[subjonas]

Looks like Tim wants to lay down instead of sit in front of a desk all day. He also doesn't want any one else seeing what is on his screens. It really is time to retire.

This (bolded part) is actually a partial reason I’m considering a VP. I can’t let strangers (anyone really but I trust my fam and friends) see what I’m working on due to my signed NDA. I could use a privacy screen but those have their downsides.

A friend of mine though can’t even let his family see his work, not even the possibility of it. He isn’t even allowed to write a single note on scratch paper because someone might see it, so he can’t do any remote work at all except maybe think lol. If VP is secure enough, it could allow him to work remotely. But his is an extreme case.

That said, I would probably only use it in public on a flight. I wouldn’t use it in say a coffee shop unless headsets become commonplace, but I doubt that.