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Apple CEO Tim Cook: ‘We Have Great Desktops in Our Roadmap'
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⬆︎THIS³ (cubed) !
[doublepost=1482231563][/doublepost]If you can't run DaVinci Resolve at 4k and full Pro Tools HD without throttling, then it's not really a real computer. So step it up, thinboys.
No whining, just being forced to move away from the Apple systems because Apple has changed direction and gone "Wall Street".
It is obvious that Apple is abandoning their Mac line. The data are clear, for all practical purposes the deed is already done. Saying it isn't so just doesn't fit with the facts anymore.
My Mac is a fantastic spotify, e-mail, edit photos from my iphone, spreadsheet and facebook machine. But for heavy lifting, the roadmap is certainly unclear from Apple. Makes it difficult to settle for a macOS or Windows workflow.
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The Mac Mini peaked in 2012 since then it has become underpowered in subsequent releases and no longer user serviceable. For example fitting an SSD or carrying out a RAM upgrade.
As for the Mac Pro much of the work that a Mac Pro can do can be done on the highest specification 27" 5k iMac therefore making the Mac Pro dead in the water.
...Except that because of over-thinning, the iMac now overheats under heavy GPU loads and throttles down to a fancy Chromebook-like performance.
But it's fine for photography and iTunes. It's a wonderful, beautiful, non-ungradeable, very expensive disposable computer.A Mac Pro is for heavier lifting, an iMac is a fancy social media computer. Great glossy/reflective display though.
Yup, don't be shocked when the next "computer" appliances from Apple AFTER iMac & iMac Pro are ARM based sans Intel.
Apple isn't the only camp going ARM.
Both MS andare pushing that way.
Win10 builds are running on ARM, and most "universal apps" run on a phone - imagine using BASH from a phone!
Apple switching desktops to a HW platform based on its mobile devices - bitcode to help push full programs to iOS.
When my wife's away all I do is bash from a phone.
This isn't just a run-of-the-mill statement from T Cook. This was allegedly a statement made internally to employees.
It's not that good when your own staff has concerns about the future of one of your historically main products.
Assuming the details in this article are accurate, of course.
It's not that good when your own staff has concerns about the future of one of your historically main products.
Assuming the details in this article are accurate, of course.
Tim The Visionary brought us from the post-PC era into the post-iPad era.
And now we are in the post-pipeline era.
Alas - just doesn't seem to be anything in there!
And now we are in the post-pipeline era.
Alas - just doesn't seem to be anything in there!
Take your time getting it right, Apple! I've already gone Windows so I'm in no hurry switching back to the Apple echo-system. I'd love a quad i7 or xeon desktop without any attached panel and would even consider buying the ridiculous Macbook pro if I could have that. And then maybe an iPhone.... and a new iPad
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No actually I made a mistake in while writing the correct work is customer satisfaction.
Even when it was new, the Mac Pro was, basically, a pro video "appliance" - the whole concept is built around dual, openCL-optimised GPUs: if your workflow doesn't make efficient use of those then its not a contender.
That's the worry.
I'd hope it does have USB-C/TB3 in place of the existing TB3 ports (its probably impractical to have both TB2 and TB3 in the same machine) but there's absolutely no reason to dump the USB-A and ethernet ports apart from dogma, penny-pinching and obsession with thinness.
Yet the new "LG" displays (which seem a lot like Apple displays stripped of the expensive aluminium case) only have USB-C downstream (despite the 4k/non-TB version only supporting USB 2 speeds).
That's nice. I am retired but I still have things to get done. However, since I worked in Healthcare as an analyst supporting a major hospital system's Electronic Medical Record, I never felt disadvantaged to "get stuff done" over my Windows coworkers. As for being a "brand enthusiast", well, I just know what I like and it's macOS so I'm fine in my "bubble". BTW, I know that Windows has finally improved. It took them long enough.
Also, I stand behind my original comment which you partially quoted. Why are there so many Windows and Android shills on a Mac Forum? Why aren't they all populating MS and Google forums praising those platforms? I have never visited a forum for those products and services. Exactly zero f@#ks are given regarding Microsoft or Android.
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Granted the obsession of thinness is a downfall. However not so prevalent with the iMac. The latest MacBook range however is quite another story. I would much rather take a 2012 Retina Ivy Bridge MacBook Pro running Mavericks than the latest abomination....Except that because of over-thinning, the iMac now overheats under heavy GPU loads and throttles down to a fancy Chromebook-like performance.
A Mac Pro is for heavier lifting, an iMac is a fancy social media computer. Great glossy/reflective display though.
Because there is a lot to complain about when it comes to machines that we make our living on- even the major newspapers are giving the new MBP a mediocre review (due to grade inflation 3/5 stars is pretty bad)
http://theguardian.com/technology/2...pro-review-the-best-computer-you-shouldnt-buy
I don't believe a word of what Tim says because his track record is poor- very poor
They may be on the roadmap. But you sure as hell can't buy them at the moment and that's what people care about. Tim started 2016 by saying it was the best roadmap ever (his excessive use of superlatives, again in this e-mail, is nauseating) and frankly, it was the ********* year in Apple's history for as long as I've been a customer, which is now 22 years. Stop talking, start delivering, do us all and yourself a favor.
Does the imac provide more then 4 cores? No. some things benefit from more then 4 cores, which of course the imac tops out at 4 cores. Now I assume since its a AIO its subject to throttling. I personally render long peroids of time on my z420 6 core (10+ hours at times) while my xeon doesnt throttle at time during these times,
In many cases older Macs are that good they do not need refreshing and when a refresh does come along it is invariably an inferior machine.
Older Macs Are Better.
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In the 'real world' who really needs more than a Quad Core supported by 64GB RAM and SSD. Specifications have become ridiculous and for some serve as no more than 'bragging rights'.
The CEO of Apple has said they aren't abandoning the line-up. LOL.
If this update gonna be similar to MBP then I don't care anymore!
And I'm pretty sure you can't change any components anymore like with new MBPs.
Apple is becoming more and more a joke...just nice hardware outside but nothing special and of course Apple will charge you a lot of money!
And I'm pretty sure you can't change any components anymore like with new MBPs.
Apple is becoming more and more a joke...just nice hardware outside but nothing special and of course Apple will charge you a lot of money!
I think my current iMac will be my last.
I have a maxed out late 2014 iMac, which I picked up in preference to a Mac Pro, as the performance gap was far less than in previous reiterations (which is why I think the Mac Pro is now dead).
I boot camped it so I could do some gaming on the side, but I’ve found myself living more and more on the Windows 10 side of my partition, as software is becoming OS agnostic and Win 10 is solid as a rock (I hated Win8.1).
With all the competition fighting out in the hardware space, now seems as good a time as ever to switch.
The surface studio looks lovely, but is not something I would benefit from, as I’m after processing grunt rather than pen interface. I’m toying with a Razer laptop as a single main machine and hooking it up to a 34” 21:9 curved monitor, so can do my work on wide real estate, do 2D top end gaming, and also VR/Oculus Rift.
I know I could build a desktop for cheaper, but I quite like the fact that an external screen / laptop set up can now deliver VR level graphics performance, and still cost less than a new MBP with a touch bar.
What could Tim do to change my mind? Probably very little, because I’m now suffering an erosion of confidence. Each new release lets me down. I think Apple has become the old MS, a slave to the shareholders and profit margins.
I’d probably be in a dilemma if they announced an iMac in Feb with 34” screen, GTX1080 graphics card and a 4TB SSD, but the likelihood is, it will be twice as expensive as a Win alternative, and the OS benefit is no longer obvious.
With much more emphasis now on cross platform software (the only thing I’d miss is Garageband, and I believe MS are releasing their own version anyway), it’s much easier to switch between ecosystems, so that just brings me back to hardware, and I want to live with components that deliver now, not promises of tomorrow.
I have a maxed out late 2014 iMac, which I picked up in preference to a Mac Pro, as the performance gap was far less than in previous reiterations (which is why I think the Mac Pro is now dead).
I boot camped it so I could do some gaming on the side, but I’ve found myself living more and more on the Windows 10 side of my partition, as software is becoming OS agnostic and Win 10 is solid as a rock (I hated Win8.1).
With all the competition fighting out in the hardware space, now seems as good a time as ever to switch.
The surface studio looks lovely, but is not something I would benefit from, as I’m after processing grunt rather than pen interface. I’m toying with a Razer laptop as a single main machine and hooking it up to a 34” 21:9 curved monitor, so can do my work on wide real estate, do 2D top end gaming, and also VR/Oculus Rift.
I know I could build a desktop for cheaper, but I quite like the fact that an external screen / laptop set up can now deliver VR level graphics performance, and still cost less than a new MBP with a touch bar.
What could Tim do to change my mind? Probably very little, because I’m now suffering an erosion of confidence. Each new release lets me down. I think Apple has become the old MS, a slave to the shareholders and profit margins.
I’d probably be in a dilemma if they announced an iMac in Feb with 34” screen, GTX1080 graphics card and a 4TB SSD, but the likelihood is, it will be twice as expensive as a Win alternative, and the OS benefit is no longer obvious.
With much more emphasis now on cross platform software (the only thing I’d miss is Garageband, and I believe MS are releasing their own version anyway), it’s much easier to switch between ecosystems, so that just brings me back to hardware, and I want to live with components that deliver now, not promises of tomorrow.
A "roadmap" with new, improved "grade crossings". I have no idea what this means.
Anyway, I'm sure we have a lot to be grateful for this Christmas.
Anyway, I'm sure we have a lot to be grateful for this Christmas.
I have my 2015 iMac and I think its the best computer I've ever owned. Its fast, gorgeous, does everything I want it too.
I will say that I'm very pleased I got it last year and not now, because I think the direction of Apple's products is counter to my needs, wants and wishes. I'm not upset about going all in on USB-C. The dongle issue is a short-lived problem, how Apple handled it was very un-apple like. I read an article, that Apple has embraced the nickle and diming of its customers simiilary to that of the airline industry. I think if they included a basic dongle that would have quelled that argument. I don't like the removal of the HDMI SD slot and magsafe on the MBPs, though the iMac doesn't have Magsafe of HDMI.
Overall, I don't think we need a thinner iMac, but rather one that works fast, doesn't have a thermal issue, and can be upgraded (yes this final point is not going to happen).
I will say that I'm very pleased I got it last year and not now, because I think the direction of Apple's products is counter to my needs, wants and wishes. I'm not upset about going all in on USB-C. The dongle issue is a short-lived problem, how Apple handled it was very un-apple like. I read an article, that Apple has embraced the nickle and diming of its customers simiilary to that of the airline industry. I think if they included a basic dongle that would have quelled that argument. I don't like the removal of the HDMI SD slot and magsafe on the MBPs, though the iMac doesn't have Magsafe of HDMI.
Overall, I don't think we need a thinner iMac, but rather one that works fast, doesn't have a thermal issue, and can be upgraded (yes this final point is not going to happen).