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Steve Jobs once said Michael Dell would just sell anything, like if Dell was a car salesman it would be the same.

This applies to Tim Cook as well. If tomorrow Tim Cook is appointed to run Chanel or BMW it would be the same.

As long as he makes lots of money and has power, nothing else matter.

Steve was very different. He would obsess over the color of a letter on an icon and could not sleep until it was perfect.

Steve you will always be irreplaceable.
 
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For the new magical 2017 Mac Pro I'm guessing (if Tim doesn't axe it altogether, because, who needs a computer):

•About the diameter of a Toilet roll. Their thinnest yet!
•16GB Ram Max.
•Integrated GPU (no room for dGPUs)
•Single quad core 2.93Ghz CPU, Turbo to 4Ghz*
•Soldered components and glued shut, so iFixit gives it a repair/upgrade score 1/10.
•One USB-C port
•Rose colour option
•Oleophobic coating and Sapphire covered power button.

20% more expensive (excluding 25% Brexit price hike) than the 2013 model.


*Throttled back down after 10 seconds due to overheating/inadequate cooling design
 
I don't understand all the negativity against Apple when it's been very clearly documented that it's Intel that's taking forever to release suitable desktop Kaby Lake processors.

The problem is not the processor, it's a whole bunch of other very obvious things. Removal of the amazing magsafe, increasing prices to ridiculous amounts when things in the computer industry are getting cheaper and cheaper.

Remember 5 years ago when a 65" flat screen TV was several thousand dollars, and now you can a great quality one for a few hundred dollars at Walmart. Luckily Apple did not get into the TV business, or else a 65" Apple TV would probably be about $10,000 now, for the same quality of a $300 Walmart TV. This is probably why they bailed... they couldn't find a way to steal your money in that business.
 
You know, people keep talking about the lack of processors as the reason why no updates are being made. It's a legitimate point if everything else was up to date. Even if the processors aren't updated they could easily create a new generation with a much better graphics system, better display, make it modular for user upgrades for drive and memory, RAM configuration changes, I/O speed changes, and more. And that's really just the iMac and MBP. Clearly they could do so much better than that with the mini and the Mac Pro (can't believe they charge the same for 3 year old tech).
 
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You know, people keep talking about the lack of processors as the reason why no updates are being made. It's a legitimate point if everything else was up to date. Even if the processors aren't updated they could easily create a new generation with a much better graphics system, better display, make it modular for user upgrades for drive and memory, RAM configuration changes, I/O speed changes, and more. And that's really just the iMac and MBP. Clearly they could do so much better than that with the mini and the Mac Pro (can't believe they charge the same for 3 year old tech).

Not really as they're implying Intel hasn't released anything new to update to in all that time, which isn't true.
 
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If you say it enough times, it becomes reality, right?

you need to put on the red slippers. until then, we are stuck in Kansas.
 
Timmy's actual pipeline:
1. Reduce cost of building existing products, increase price until 99.999999% profit margin achieved. This may seem like a joke, but look what he's done to the MBPr. No magsafe. Hardly any ports. A price increase but still using old technology that has reduced in price significantly for all other computer manufacturers.
2. Create 1 set of magical earplugs that block out all rants from around the world.

The next iMac will have 1 key on its keyboard. It will be used like morse code. Timmy will say it's magical.
The beloved mac line has become a joke.
 
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Huge thread full of nothing but complaints.
*skepticism

1000+ days on the Mac Pro

I really hope the new iMac is thinner and has better battery life. Then I can hear the arguments about why "they HAD to use an 8 year old GPU, a recent one wouldn't fit their power/space/thermal requirements!"
 
Not really as they're implying Intel hasn't released anything new to update to in all that time, which isn't true.

It's true as far as the higher-end models are concerned -- we just recently had Xeons hit with the higher core counts that are upgrades over what they're using for those options. For the quad core "entry" model though, there have been a couple revisions released. So half right, half wrong as far as the CPU itself is concerned.

I feel like a good compromise would be to let the Mac Pro also have consumer-grade i5/i7 CPU options starting lower priced, then scaling up to the high core count Xeon options. Most users would probably trade core count for newer architectures, as their workloads may not be massively parallel.
 
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On the contrary, there are some good stories about how Apple is improving their environmental footprint and a lot of community related products. The issue is that hey make computers not trees, and their users are frustrated with the increased profit over development. It's not because their newest model isn't as fast as the competitor, but rather because there is no new model for most of their products.

The ones that are new added very little at the expense of people's favorite features. No SD slot and no magsafe was not an acceptable trade off for integrating an unremoveable Apple Watch into their "pro" notebooks. Considering Apple touch screens have suffered from touch rot and they refuse to take responsibility why do they think Pro users would be happy about this?

Combine this with the 3+ year delay and a lot of us are in the market again for a new mac. I have a new Mac Pro in my office and my software has exceeded it. I need better tech, but I can't buy a better mac. Meanwhile my iMac is battling a failing gpu that I can't replace. I can't buy a Mac mini, because the "new" one is slower than my 7 year old iMac. I won't buy a new iMac because Apple showed terrible support of my old hardware. At least the gpu is user replaceable on what I have, even if I can't get one. I won't buy a new device that I can't even swap the SSD or double the ram on.

You want to know why MR reports on negative stuff? It's probably because there little positive to talk about. Apple should be thrilled we are complaining because it means we are still willing to listen to what they have to say. Very soon however I am going to have to buy new hardware and I'm going to be far less interested in Mac Rumors if I stop buying Macs.

Show me one product in the pat 5 years that MR has been happy with. No matter what Apple announces, no matter how great, everyone focuses on the shortcomings rather than the positives.

Look at the Apple Watch. Rather than going, wow this is a cool and allows some great stuff, instead the people here spent months complaining about battery life from a product that hadn't even been released. When it was delivered they found that battery life was nowhere near as bad as they believed and it easily made it through the day on a single charge. Yet they'd spent months crying about it for no reason.

There's honestly nothing Apple can now release which MR won't cry about. No matter how amazing they'll find something to hate. If a laptop has 12 hours of battery they want 15. If it has 15 they want 20. If it checks all the boxes they'll complain about price or about color or about size.....
 
The problem is that the word "Great" for Tim means something different than most people in the tech world. Usually it means more capabilities and higher performance.

For Tim is means: smaller, thinner, able to do less, and more expensive than last year.

that being said, any idea if a new Mac Mini are in plans?
 
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I am not so sure of your thesis. If MR had something amazing to show off (see: Surface Studio) the site would explode with - "WOW! Apple managed to pull THAT OFF?". Instead, we have ... less than thrilling touch bars and dongles and the march towards thinness. Basically, Apple has not managed to surprise anyone in the last few years. They take what was in Steve's product line up and basically run their patented formula:

1. Thinner!
2. Lighter!
3. Less Ports!
4. Costs more!

A couple of things were highlights (for me): Apple Pencil, and Taptic Engine. Not sure that much else warrants any kind of excitement frankly.

I begrudgingly bought a Macbook a few weeks ago. I used to love to throw my money at Apple!

We are back to 1990s Apple.

And yet those things you mentioned, were ripped on and complained about by MR. They wrote off the Taptic Engine as a worthless gimmick with no real use. They complained that the Pencil only lasts for 12 hours on a charge (because apparently some artists draw for more than 12 hours a day?) despite the fact that 15 seconds of charging gives it 30 minutes of use.

People here find something to complain about in every Apple announcement.

This is the crowd that complained the original iPhone didn't have a physical keyboard and that it didn't fold.
 
And yet those things you mentioned, were ripped on and complained about by MR. They wrote off the Taptic Engine as a worthless gimmick with no real use. They complained that the Pencil only lasts for 12 hours on a charge (because apparently some artists draw for more than 12 hours a day?) despite the fact that 15 seconds of charging gives it 30 minutes of use.
People here find something to complain about in every Apple announcement.
This is the crowd that complained the original iPhone didn't have a physical keyboard and that it didn't fold.
Then what's worse: alienated customers or complaints-complainers ?
 
Totally spot on. But the Appleverse has forgotten how to listen.

I know exactly what you mean. I think, however, that the problem may be different: Apple has NEVER known how to listen, but didn't have to as long as it created and owned entire product categories (iPod, iPhone, iPad), all under the guidance of a visionary.

Apple does not yet appear to have recognized that it needs to listen to its customers now that it is no longer inventing brilliant new product categories, and both are at the crux of the problem.
 
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Apple is killing off the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro. They no longer sell a display and those two lines are too niche. Remember when Steve Jobs did his famous 2x2 grid when Apple's product map was all over the place (consumers & pros/laptops & desktops)? Consumer and pro no longer makes sense because the consumer models can do all the stuff most "pros" needed to do. Now it's just a few 3D and video guys left who need the highest end specs. Apple doesn't need that market. Their whole product line is too broad before they introduce future stuff (like AR or cars). There's a new 2x2 grid for computers in Cupertino: iOS x2 (iPhone/iPad) and macOS x2 (MacBooks/iMacs). The delineation between iPads & iPad Pros and MacBooks & MacBook Pros is arbitrary. With the AppleTV and Watch, that's 6 bigger product lines to maintain in addition to services that they have to get better at and AI, where they'll also have to give focus in order to stay competitive. Time to cut the fat and there are no better candidates to drop than the mini and pro.

a 40 year old company with over 115,000 employees and over $200 billion in annual sales is stretched too thin offering 6 products?

I'm wondering, how many tens of thousands of people would it take to get out an update to the mini?
 
Sadly, yeah. That's the only way some people can feel good, having a brief bit of power that's otherwise lacking in their lives.
Would you ever say that there could be a valid reason? Ie. what would it take for you to not take it this way?
To me, I understand what you are saying but I think Apple reached the point where most of the complaints today are actually VALID! Also, some people are heavily invested in their ecosystem so its not that easy to walk away and buy another system.
Yes, people complain for various reasons and the majority are crybabies but then there is a group that actually has a valid point and their arguments and complaints are justified. Good example would be mac mini. Totally neglected product for no obvious reason. Mac mini is a beautiful machine for those that either want home/multimedia server or just a computer without a screen that doesn't cost a fortune.

Your response could also be viewed as you trying to "feel good" but I think you are just generalising too much.

Also on topic: Tim said these statements many times and rarely did they come to fruition. I think the best one was about mac pro because I believe that the nMP when introduced was really amazing. Yes, it had limitations and yes it did take different direction than most people hoped for but it was a great product. New laptops? Nope

So yeah, this thread won't be that positive simply due to the nature that these marketing claims are often exaggerated even when we hope they are not.
 
Darth Timmy's mythical pipeline is like the rabbits in a greyhound race... you'll never get to them.
 
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And yet those things you mentioned, were ripped on and complained about by MR. They wrote off the Taptic Engine as a worthless gimmick with no real use. They complained that the Pencil only lasts for 12 hours on a charge (because apparently some artists draw for more than 12 hours a day?) despite the fact that 15 seconds of charging gives it 30 minutes of use.

People here find something to complain about in every Apple announcement.

This is the crowd that complained the original iPhone didn't have a physical keyboard and that it didn't fold.
I think if you cut through all the drama, there is a real concern that for all the gains Apple products have gained recently, they don't outweigh the cons of said products. Including the removal of key small, but important parts of the MacBook line (MagSafe, USB3) that made Apple products easy to use. The new MacBook line is nowhere near that compared to a Windows laptop, but they're becoming ever closer as Microsoft are trying to streamline with their own hardware products.

However, it's fair to say most of the computing industry is becoming a bit stale regarding technology. Until the next battery/input tech is matured, the gains will always be small.

For me personally, I don't get why Apple won't enhance remote access tech and allow MacBook users to remote into their own MacPro at home to take advantage of the raw power of a desktop (especially if people want more power efficient laptops that are smaller and take less-powered CPUs). My next Mac is likely to be a desktop for that reason as it's so easy to get a VPN connection up and running at home (and remove that security risk of being on public wi-fis and exposing my traffic with everyone else).
 
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