Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
The truth is that 99% of users have no need for the additional power you're talking about. For most, the power the current MacBook offers is more than they need. Remember that the average user browses the internet, sends some emails, does a bit of social media, and maybe some light word processing. That's about it. It's why Chromebooks sell well, as most don't need much power at all. Those of us that need the power a MacPro offers are very very few, which is why Apple has put so little into keeping it current.

Do I want a new MacPro to replace my current one, yes (remember that 99% of those that complain about the MacPro here will never buy one even if it was 10x as capable just as those that complain about Porsches are generally those that aren't in the market for one). Do I understand why Apple has focused their efforts on other things like the iPhone, iPad, and MacBook Pro, rather than the very low volume MacPro, yes. Even with the most amazing MacPro they're still going to sell 1 of them for every 1000 MBPs they sell. Any company would be silly to put huge investment into the product that sells the lowest volume when they can make far more investing in the higher selling items.

I really wish Apple, or a company like it, would go into the Pro/Enterprise market. Make simple, yet powerful computers for niche markets like 3D creation, data centers, etc. Make them powerful enough to do the heavy lifting, yet easy to use, manage and upgrade. Add in amazing service for when things break down.

I'm old enough to remember System X from Virginia Tech. Made it to the top 10 most powerful supercomputers using only Xserves. I find power and simplicity aren't always mutually exclusive. I just someone could build a powerful, yet simple & sexy computers for the power user.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JamesPDX
If only they would reverse the so called "upgrade" to the Mac Mini and return it to the perfect machine it once was, I'd be a happy man.

I just need a cheap xCode box that I can tweak for the next 5 years.
 
"You don't know that whining isn't going to help..."

Ok, let me ask you this: How has that been working for ya so far?

Has it brought back the CD drive? How about axing the floppy disk - that was a huge whine-worthy crowd pleaser. Has whining brought back FireWire ports? The DVI connector?

Has it brought back full-travel keyboards - will a good whine bring those back? How about desktop computers with card slots? Perhaps keyboards and mice with user-replaceable disposable batteries, has Apple brought those back? Has it made laptops thicker, festooned with a ton of legacy connectors? Do you expect Apple's next laptop to have 20 year old USB A ports if you whine loud enough, and really mean it?

Maybe a more hearty whine will bring back a much thicker iPhone? How did that huge whine-fest work out for the ton of people complaining about the first iPhone getting rid of physical keyboard keys - did those come back? How about a 1 week battery that pre-1997 phones had - has whining brought that back?

How about Apple's executives? Has the constant moaning about them and calling for their termination worked out?

I could go on and on. In the meantime, again, how has whining been working for ya?


"You're just trying to dismiss Mac users whose growing contempt for Apple threatens your confidence and peace of mind."

Whoa, a three-fer: A deflection, straw man, and a tiny precious ad hominem all rolled into one. Rush me to the burn unit!

No, sorry to disappoint. I'm not dismissing anyone's gripes - I believe they're important to people. Just wondering when people will finally understand that whining will not influence Apple's product direction.

Do you really want to influence Apple's product plans? It's easy. Stand up, vote with your wallet and buy something that meets your requirements. That's what I'd do. And for sure, there's no way I'd embarrass myself on a public forum crying about a company not making products I need; especially when there are other options out there.

I do offer a huge tip-o-my-hat and a ton of respect to those that have actually stood up, opened their wallet and have actually switched.

A mesmerizing rant, full of italics and bolds, signifying nothing. But this was the best part:

there's no way I'd embarrass myself on a public forum crying
 
  • Like
Reactions: amegicfox
need mac mini with TB3 so we can hookup an eGPU for a reasonable pro machine

The problem of fast GPU performance is solved on the Windows PC side long ago but Apple makes a new problem out of this instead of building towers that are able to handle replacable graphics cards.
 
The CPU and GPU are not mobile or am I mistaken?

the 21" iMacs use the Iris Pro 6200 integrated GPU to the CPU
the 27" iMacs use one of the following (depending on build option)
  1. R9 M380
  2. R9 M390
  3. R9 M395
All are AMD Radeon mobile GPU's
 
  • Like
Reactions: A-Sign
Huge thread full of nothing but complaints.

I have started documenting the behavior of the wild macrumors pre-complainer.

They come in a couple of forms:
  1. The "Smoky the Bear". This most common specimen doesn't realize they contribute to the thing they are annoyed by: the person who complains that the whole thread will be about complaints. Not realizing that this generic complaint often kickstarts the thing that annoys them: more complaints in the form of replies to their comment.
  2. "The Waterfall." This is someone who merely comments with: "Cue the complaints about ______." This often results in someone else replying to The Waterfall with the word "cue" somewhere in their text, usually sarcastically. This can (but not always) result in a cascade of replies using the word "cue" getting more and more sarcastic until it doesn't relate to the topic at hand at all.
  3. The "Space Shuttle Countdown". A less common specimen with an often unique behavior than other pre-complainers. This pre-complainer shows up early, sometimes first, and has some sort of countdown. "Here come the _____ comments in 3, 2, 1..." Once these words have been spoken, the complaint territory has been "marked." An unspoken rule is that there is only one pre-complain countdown per thread.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: mdbradigan
It's a pipeline, Tim. Not a roadmap, a pipeline. As in "We have some great products in the pipeline", remember that?
Are we going to get fleeced when the new iMacs come out as well, Tim?
 
Great Tim, but now Apple must demonstrate it with a brand new Mac Pro and Thunderbolt displays for it and for a brand new Mac mini. Because I guess Apple does not want us to use the ugly LG proposal. BTW, the iMac and all All-In-One (AIO) are a waste of resources and a huge aggression to planet Earth when you have to discard a great expensive display after CPU becomes obsolete. Displays last many, many, many years more (about 20 years).
 
Apple needs to remember that they need the 'gateway' entry item to convince the masses they need to enter the ecosystem. I came in from a different direction, however, these are different times, based on the tech that is now coming out.

That sounds like an illegal narcotics reference. You're banned from the App Store.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rafagon
There isn't coming an end to Tim's pipeline. For me 2017 will be a crucial year. It's the year of delivering instead of talk. If 2017 doesn't turn out to be a year of good future proof products and a giant leap on today's offerings (I mean technological and not price wise) it's goodbye stagnant pricey Apple eco for me. I want to be positive surprised by Apple in 2017. I want them to make me feel confident I make a good investment by buying Apple computers/products. After waiting for over 5 years at the end of the pipeline, I feel this is justified and not too much to ask.

Show me real power Tim! Soft-, and hardware! Don't hold back like you usually do! Convince me it's a safe investment buying Apple products.
 
I really wish Apple, or a company like it, would go into the Pro/Enterprise market. Make simple, yet powerful computers for niche markets like 3D creation, data centers, etc. Make them powerful enough to do the heavy lifting, yet easy to use, manage and upgrade. Add in amazing service for when things break down.

I'm old enough to remember System X from Virginia Tech. Made it to the top 10 most powerful supercomputers using only Xserves. I find power and simplicity aren't always mutually exclusive. I just someone could build a powerful, yet simple & sexy computers for the power user.

Apple got out of the server market for a reason. There's not a lot of profit there even when companies are buying huge deployments. The competition is fierce which drives down profits and means the cost of competing is high.

Sadly the niche market isn't very profitable. There are only a small number of users looking for a machine like the MacPro when compared to the iMac, MB, and MBP.

In addition to that, if you're already working with a small market, adding the ability to easily upgrade the machines means even less sales as now people can just add more RAM, a new processor, or upgraded graphics card. That means they're going to buy from you even less often. These niche markets upgrade very infrequently, often going 5 years or more without updating hardware. That means the opportunity for sales is very low.

There's a reason most companies haven't been going crazy catering to this market. It's simply not profitable to do so when there are much bigger markets offering far greater sales.
 
Apple's motives are pretty clear. While profitable, the Mac has only ever held a small portion of the global PC market. It pales in comparison to the size of Windows/PC market. Apple are slowly but surely trying to kill off this market ('Why would you buy a PC anymore?') hoping to push the refugees into their much more successful iToy world, where they rule supreme.
Good for them, sucks for those of us who prefer a computer over a consumer toy.
 
Why is why I'm still using a 2007 iMac and none of the wider family macs are getting replaced.

Still, when you entire exec team is less than five years from retirement, is it any wonder that the focus is on short term profit rather than the long term value of the company and its relationship to its customer?

And a 2015/2016/2017 Computer will not be better than a 2007 one? Come on. Can you put 64GB of RAM in that 2007 iMac? Why is the RAM being soldered make a 2016 iMac worse than a 2007 iMac?
[doublepost=1482249941][/doublepost]
Could someone please tell Tom Crook that the iPad Pro is not a desktop?

Did they say it was a desktop? I just see "personal computer" which it is. For many people, it replaces their laptops.
 
Apple got out of the server market for a reason. There's not a lot of profit there even when companies are buying huge deployments. The competition is fierce which drives down profits and means the cost of competing is high.

Sadly the niche market isn't very profitable. There are only a small number of users looking for a machine like the MacPro when compared to the iMac, MB, and MBP.

In addition to that, if you're already working with a small market, adding the ability to easily upgrade the machines means even less sales as now people can just add more RAM, a new processor, or upgraded graphics card. That means they're going to buy from you even less often. These niche markets upgrade very infrequently, often going 5 years or more without updating hardware. That means the opportunity for sales is very low.

There's a reason most companies haven't been going crazy catering to this market. It's simply not profitable to do so when there are much bigger markets offering far greater sales.

And why doesn't Apple go the Microsoft way? Look, even Android was able to get wide user base success on the smartphone and tablet market by doing the same what Microsoft did at the PC sector. Another chance Apple has missed like the arrogance they had in the 80 - 90ie years. The business policy of Apple is flawed unless they want to be another Leica (in the camera sector).
 
A lot of people are very underwhelmed and unhappy with the tbMBP's, but Apple would call them the most amazing notebooks on the planet if you asked them.

Guess what people suspect will be the next iteration of the iMac and MacPro?

Me, personally, I don't care about desktops any more. The most important device class for me is the notebook for power users - and Apple has ****ed those up royally. So, I am currently looking at options in the PC world.

Um, of course they would? I have been re-watching keynotes from Steve Jobs in the late 90s and early 2000s and even he says "This is the thinnest/greatest/fastest/... system we ever made/on the planet". It is marketing.
 
⬆︎THIS³ (cubed) !
[doublepost=1482231563][/doublepost]If you can't run DaVinci Resolve at 4k and full Pro Tools HD without throttling, then it's not really a real computer. So step it up, thinboys.

What kind of logic is that? How would that benefit say a digital graphic artist running Photoshop? My GTX 680 card cannot do 4K video editing since it only has 2GB of RAM on it. But I can do my Photoshop work on it. But I guess it is not a computer unless I do these crazy things?
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.