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But it’s NOT just a phone. It’s a pocket computer. I use my iPhone as much, maybe more, than my desktop. If it were just a phone, I’d agree, but it’s not. Not even close.

I don’t even why we call them phones anymore when a lot of us barely ever talk on them. The word “phone” definitely makes you trivialize the amazing device you have in your hand
 
Apple is a smartphone company, so I wouldn't be shocked if they breach the $2,000 threshold in a couple of releases. Anyone wanting an iOS based phone has no other game in town, so if they jack the prices up people will pay it. Especially if they can convince everyone to only think about the monthly payment?

You do realize Apple sells phones at every price point right? But maybe they should limit what their “best” can be so you won’t feel bad having a cheaper model huh?

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I'm not complaining that the X is expensive. I'm pointing out that Tim Cook is insulting his customers to suggest that it isn't. And FYI, it is a bigger gap from X to Note 8 when you consider the upgraded storage and Apple Care. And the X aligns feature and size wise with the S8, not Note 8... to use Tim Cook's line, the Note 8 has a lot more value. And, I got a $300 credit, and a Gear S3 for $300 off. The X is decidedly not a good "value" vs nearly any other phone. It's a nice phone, and a very expensive phone. Either Tim Cook is dillusional, or he's not being honest.
Bless your heart.
 
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Pretty sure he meant monthly. But apparently the obvious isn’t obvious to everyone

Did you use the Apple calc app? Either way it doesn't add up. Coffee is rarely $33/cup expensive or $1.18 cheap ($33/28 days) at the "nice coffee places". Try again.
 
Did you use the Apple calc app? Either way it doesn't add up. Coffee is rarely $33/cup expensive or $1.18 cheap ($33/28 days). Try again.

This has to be a joke. Right? Read the rest of the thread. A CUP of coffee isn’t what he meant and everybody already explained it.
 
I don’t fault Apple for pricing the X at $1000.
I don’t fault people for buying it.
I don’t fault people for not buying it.

I once thought I’d get an X to go along with my original 4 GB iPhone for ‘07 but upon further reflection have decided to give it at least one more generation before getting the latest shiny, fwiw. I make a pot of coffee every day from whole beans I get at the grocery store, with occasional afternoon supplementals at work depending on how I feel, so likely spend more than $33/mo on coffee. It’s not really a lot of money for something that’s necessary for life (heh) but it’s enough to make it an easy pass on an X when I have a perfectly good 7 from work. Nothing wrong with people who have different priorities, IMO.
 
It is, but it’s the way a lot of us justify purchases, and a way a lot of us spend mindlessly.

I actually stopped buying blended coffee out, and did save a lot of money. Even if I meet friends for “coffee,” I’ll get tea, which is much cheaper. I got a milk frother and some flavored syrups for when I want a latte or similar at home. I haven’t had coffee out (except with dinner) for close to two years now.

I still spend mindlessly on little things, just not coffee. ;)

I am not sure if you can buy Nespresso machines in US. They come with built in Milk frothers. They have some great coffee blends and taste way better then buying coffee outside.

I have had Nespresso for few years now and from what Tim Cook said, I can easily afford a few iPhone X’s.....
 
I am not sure if you can buy Nespresso machines in US. They come with built in Milk frothers. They have some great coffee blends and taste way better then buying coffee outside.

I have had Nespresso for few years now and from what Tim Cook said, I can easily afford a few iPhone X’s.....
They advertise them all the time, thanks for the recommendation. :)
 
Capitalism all the way. :)

If Apple gets out of line with their pricing or fails to produce a quality product, the market will let them know. And it will be up to Apple to respond accordingly.
Like the original iPhone, that went from $599 subsidized to $399 maybe a month later because no one was buying them and they were getting massive heat for it.
 
The issue is the more expensive the device itself becomes the more expensive the monthly rate becomes obviously.

Example: back in the day i could get an iPhone 4 for 1€ upfront on a 39€ plan which included the plan + the phone payment

Now its 299€ upfront + 49€ a month and that doesnt even include the plan itself yet!

I got my previous iPhones for 0-100€ upfront on a 35€/month plan including internet, sms, phone flat. iPhone X cost me 499€ + 50/month and that’s the cheapest I could find on the carrier with the worst reception, the big names in Germany cost 549€ ($640) upfront plus 70€ ($81)/month, for the 64 gigs version..
 
just how many coffees do people drink? Every damn company trying to nickel and dime you out of a few more dollars each month on a subscription points out its only a coffee each day. I *hate* it as a dumb metric to try and justify price hikes of hundreds of dollars over a couple of years
 
Cook pointed out that many people pay for the iPhone month by month. At carrier prices that startsomewhere around $33 per month, that's "lessthan a coffee a day at one of these nice coffee places."

Omg this is such an american way of thinking, no offense lol
Shouldn't the comparison have been to the the daily cost of beard grooming products?
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Last time I checked, the Note 8 and the phone X were very close in price (30 dollars or so). And I see by your signature you have a Note 8 and are complaining about how expensive the iPhone X is.
Nobody pays the list price for the Note 8. There will be added items bundled in with the full list price for early adopters. Then the price will drop.

Edit: Note 8 also comes with fast charger in the box.
 
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You do realize Apple sells phones at every price point right? But maybe they should limit what their “best” can be so you won’t feel bad having a cheaper model huh?

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Yeh... I know they have a lot of models. I'm sure Jobs would be so impressed. We are talking about the X, and Tim Cook's ridiculous statement that its not expensive. It is expensive for a smartphone. I swear I think some folks on here would go along with anything Tim Cook says without question. Have some objectivity.
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Bless your heart.

Cute and so intelligent. Maybe read the thread before you reply. I was answering a question.
 
Yeh... I know they have a lot of models. I'm sure Jobs would be so impressed. We are talking about the X, and Tim Cook's ridiculous statement that its not expensive. It is expensive for a smartphone. I swear I think some folks on here would go along with anything Tim Cook says without question. Have some objectivity.

Objectivity huh. Let’s look at the reality of the situation. Smartphones are at a point where you can only add so much year after year, so this year they packed in more technology. Only catch is, that extra tech that took years to develop is gonna add to the cost of the phone. Do they leave out that tech and keep the prices low or do they include it and up the price a bit?

I didn’t find Tim cooks comment douchey at all. They have an iPhone 8 you can buy for the same price as last year that has some nice upgrades. Or you can spend more and get something with more tech. And he’s right in some respects. We won’t think twice about getting Starbucks everyday that could total $50 a month for something that goes right through us, but a piece of advanced technology you’ll use for hours a day? Oh no. Can’t spend money on that!
 
Objectivity huh. Let’s look at the reality of the situation. Smartphones are at a point where you can only add so much year after year, so this year they packed in more technology. Only catch is, that extra tech that took years to develop is gonna add to the cost of the phone. Do they leave out that tech and keep the prices low or do they include it and up the price a bit?

I didn’t find Tim cooks comment douchey at all. They have an iPhone 8 you can buy for the same price as last year that has some nice upgrades. Or you can spend more and get something with more tech. And he’s right in some respects. We won’t think twice about getting Starbucks everyday that could total $50 a month for something that goes right through us, but a piece of advanced technology you’ll use for hours a day? Oh no. Can’t spend money on that!

The cost of technology goes down over time. You have to keep adding more to compete. That's the way it works. Apple has basically sat on the same design for several generations... 8 = 6sss, so what competitors have already had the Apple fans look at as great breakthroughs I guess.

They have actually raised the prices on some of their older stuff. Tim is saying they didn't charge a lot just because they could, but because of the great value they've added to the X. What great value have they added?

FaceID? Its debatable if that is going to add value or not. Its different from TouchID, but does that have value? The tech is interesting and may pave the way for future AR stuff, but its on the wrong side of the device to use for that so it has zero AR value on the X

OMLED Display? They are catching up to most of the other feature phones from their competitors. Nothing earth shattering there.

Smaller Bezels? Again, they are catching up to most of the other feature phones from their competitors.

Animated Emojis? Zero value to me and I expect most people after the use it a half dozen times. Its a gimmick.

What am I missing?

It is smaller than the plus size device, which when they bring that out it will be even more expensive. They've removed features that competitive phones have such as the headphone jack and FPS... those things do have "value".

The X is expensive because they can charge a lot and people will pay it, not because they added more value.
 
Cute and so intelligent. Maybe read the thread before you reply. I was answering a question.

Thank you. Below are the specific rantings I read, quoted and was referring to.

I'm not complaining that the X is expensive. I'm pointing out that Tim Cook is insulting his customers to suggest that it isn't. And FYI, it is a bigger gap from X to Note 8 when you consider the upgraded storage and Apple Care. And the X aligns feature and size wise with the S8, not Note 8... to use Tim Cook's line, the Note 8 has a lot more value. And, I got a $300 credit, and a Gear S3 for $300 off. The X is decidedly not a good "value" vs nearly any other phone. It's a nice phone, and a very expensive phone. Either Tim Cook is dillusional, or he's not being honest.

Cook put the price of the iPhone X in context and asserted it’s priced for the value provided. You responded with what I perceived as disjointed rants and rambling about "insulting, "dillusional [sic] . . . or not being honest" and unintelligible comments (to me) about S8s and Note 8s and Gear S3s and credits.

I will ignore you. Have a nice day.
 
Thank you. Below are the specific rantings I read, quoted and was referring to.

Cook put the price of the iPhone X in context and asserted it’s priced for the value provided. You responded with what I perceived as disjointed rants and rambling about "insulting, "dillusional [sic] . . . or not being honest" and unintelligible comments (to me) about S8s and Note 8s and Gear S3s and credits.

I will ignore you. Have a nice day.

As I said, I was responding to someone... not to you. Maybe you should read what I was responding to before judging my response. That person said I was "complaining" that the iPhone X was expensive, AND that since I owned a Note 8, that I had paid nearly the same price as an iPhone X cost. My post was correcting his incorrect assumption.

And, I was not complaining about the price. I was stating that the iPhone X IS expensive, and Tim Cook is trying to say that it isn't. He was trying to say that it was priced based on the great value it brought, which is total crap when you compare feature by feature with other devices. You accept it blindly because Tim Cook said it. It's a nice phone which I am sure he will sell a lot of, but its not a great value... its expensive. Anyone that denies that is definitely under the spell of Apple and Tim... and has lost objectivity.

And I don't really care if you ignore me... you clearly don't care about context and have nothing to contribute to the discussion other than trying to be cute... which you aren't. So you have a nice day too.
 
#theydidthemath

And the coffee goes right through you whereas a phone you’ll use for hours a day for years. The experience of a coffee in my mouth doesn’t compare to the experience I get from using my phone

An argument can be made that coffee, like beer, is actually rented. :D
 
We have a saying in Holland: 'de wal keert het schip'. Apple's pricing strategy seems to be looking for that moment. It might take two years, it might take ten years, but the moment will come.
 
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