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Apple Cinema Display Update E.T.A?

macgruder said:
The Dell E248 has a TN display. In other words, the cheapest there is. There is no comparison with the ACD. It's misinformed to make any comparison between a TN and a S-IPS.

The NEC 2470 uses a S-PVA display, and thus is not as good for pro color work as a S-IPS display. And it is for this reason that NEC also has in their range the NEC LCD2490WUXi which does have a S-IPS display and costs $1100.

A wider display is not better if it has the same number of pixels. It just has a bigger pixel pitch. So it depends on your preference.

You want Apple to make a cheaper display, but then they'd have to use the cheaper PVA panel. Then you should just buy the NEC Multisync 2470. The ACD is a pro level panel, and hence it has a S-IPS panel. Similar, pro panels such as the NEC also have S-IPS displays and are considerably more expensive.

You want Apple to reduce the price of the ACD and use cheaper materials. It's like asking BMW to make a Ford. The target consumer of the ACD certainly doesn't want that to happen and if they were to put a PVA panel in there, they would lose a lot of sales from the professionals who require the best panels.
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Very good points all around my friend. I tried to make a case but you have definitely proved the case in Apple's favor.

The hardest thing to find on the web for me is whether or not a display has a S-IPS panel or S-PVA panel.

Where were you when the Dell lovers were bashing every other display out there? Off to get the 30" ACD then.
 
Digital Skunk said:
Very good points all around my friend. I tried to make a case but you have definitely proved the case in Apple's favor.

The hardest thing to find on the web for me is whether or not a display has a S-IPS panel or S-PVA panel.

Where were you when the Dell lovers were bashing every other display out there? Off to get the 30" ACD then.
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Here's the resource you're looking for:
http://www.flatpanels.dk/panels.php

For the 30" in fact the Dell uses a S-IPS and is a good buy.
 
I wanted a 30" ever since visiting Apple Store Chicago on Michigan Ave. last summer. Does anyone know if a refurb price drop signals an upcoming refresh? The refurb prices are at $1499 right now if that means anything. CompUSA's going out of business but their prices haven't been THAT good yet, only 10% off on Apple stuff. I wonder if they haggle at all...
 
sterlingindigo said:
I wanted a 30" ever since visiting Apple Store Chicago on Michigan Ave. last summer. Does anyone know if a refurb price drop signals an upcoming refresh? The refurb prices are at $1499 right now if that means anything. CompUSA's going out of business but their prices haven't been THAT good yet, only 10% off on Apple stuff. I wonder if they haggle at all...
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I know it's sacrilege but the Dell 3007 WPC is a S-IPS panel and look like a good deal for $1200
 
sterlingindigo said:
I'll have to do some closer comparisson checking as to brightness, refresh, ports, contrast ratio, etc.
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I do know that Apple is the only manufacturer that puts FW400 in their displays. Those are very useful ports for many people and something that I know I may not be able to live without if I go with another brand of monitor, and something that I would pay extra for.
 
the one thing i like to see change is contrast ratio, Dell's new 30inch is 3000:1 and ACD is only 700:1, built in iSight and something that built in so that the apple remote will work, maybe bigger sizes, heard a rumor that apple may replace the 23inch with a 24inch and add a 32inch into the displays lineup, i bought 8-Core MacPro being shipped on the 15th of february 2008 and in need for a display but willing to wait for the new ones, the current ACD been out for 4yrs, it's time for a change to keep up with Dell, dell always improving their displays and i think its time for apple to do the same.
 
My biggest concern is that I have just bought the 8 core Mac Pro and have ordered the 23 inch ACD, both yet to arrive.
I am going to get another 23 inch ACD in the next 6-12 months and really don't want to have 2 different displays.
I have been putting up with my iMac 20 inch for so long and was waiting for a Mac Pro refresh.
They should arrive this week, I will old off on getting the display until after the end of Feb just in case the rumor of a Mac event (26 Feb) is true. I am hoping for OLED just like the Mac Book Pro, I have the standard display on my MacBook Pro and my mate has the OLED which is brilliant. Failing that, the built in camera would be OK, but not a deal breaker, then perhaps a thinner bezel would be great for more seamless integration of the 2 ACD's side by side.
 
You think using your 20inch imac is bad, i've been using a PS3 and a 19inch tv for internet and reading email for the past year, 1yr without no computer was hard, but during that time after i sold my 23inch ACD, i would of thought apple will updated the cinema displays line by the time i purchase the MacPro but thay didn't but i read a article that apple may discontinue the 23inch ACD model and coming out with a new 24inch and a new 32inch models and this why i'm holding off buying my 30inch until apple updates them, i have a 17inch i can use temporary until apple release the new ones and i hope it will be soon.
 
My bet would be the end of this year or begining of next. Apple is waiting for the price of LED panels to come down, currently the good ones run about 5-6000 dollars for a 20 inch.

But don't worry, for the price the current displays are still the best out there.
 
plumpan said:
I am currently looking at 30" monitors for image work. I am deciding between these two:

- Apple 30" ACD (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APP...p_mac/mac_accessories/displays&nplm=M9179LL/A)

- NEC 30" LCD3090WQXi-BK (http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product/?product=4af7b335-9302-4429-8d73-74c35a363b57)

Is the NEC worth the extra money?
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After checking the specs on the NEC and comparing them to the ACD, (and personal experience working with 30" ACDs) I would save the $400 and go with the 30" ACD.
 
Digital Skunk said:
After checking the specs on the NEC and comparing them to the ACD, (and personal experience working with 30" ACDs) I would save the $400 and go with the 30" ACD.
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What specs on the NEC are unfavorable compared with the ACD? Aside from price of course??
 
chelsel said:
What specs on the NEC are unfavorable compared with the ACD? Aside from price of course??
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None. From what I glanced at the contrast ratio on the NEC is higher. 1000:1 compared to 700:1 on the ACD. But if that's all there is, then you can still save $400 and get the same resolution and add FW400 and USB ports.

And if it matters to you, a slightly better looking display.
 
Digital Skunk said:
None. From what I glanced at the contrast ratio on the NEC is higher. 1000:1 compared to 700:1 on the ACD. But if that's all there is, then you can still save $400 and get the same resolution and add FW400 and USB ports.

And if it matters to you, a slightly better looking display.
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To be honest, while the ACD is very sleek looking, I am a fan of black bezels on my displays. Though the ACD's aluminum bezel isn't shiny by any means, I would still prefer a black bezel like on the NEC. I am not a big fan of the aluminum + black border of the iMac though, so I hope the future ACDs do not adopt this style.

And yea - I didn't notice any glaring differences between the two aside from the NEC's higher contrast ratio and better response time. If the ACD manages to drop in price soon (unlikely), it would definitely sway me towards the ACD.
 
Digital Skunk said:
None. From what I glanced at the contrast ratio on the NEC is higher. 1000:1 compared to 700:1 on the ACD. But if that's all there is, then you can still save $400 and get the same resolution and add FW400 and USB ports.

And if it matters to you, a slightly better looking display.
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The NEC also has a much higher color gamut with 12 bit LUT, 2 DVI inputs (one with HDCP), rotates from landscape to portrait mode, and has other features as well.

I'm seriously considering the NEC. With a MSRP of $2200, it wasn't cheap, but I was willing to pay a premium for quality.

However, it now looks like this panel can be had for a great price. Macmall lists it for $1720 and onsale lists it for $1630. If you don't have to pay taxes from these companies, these prices are significantly cheaper than the Apple. I'm ready to get the plastic out very shortly.
 
JockItch43 said:
The NEC also has a much higher color gamut with 12 bit LUT, 2 DVI inputs (one with HDCP), rotates from landscape to portrait mode, and has other features as well.

I'm seriously considering the NEC. With a MSRP of $2200, it wasn't cheap, but I was willing to pay a premium for quality.

However, it now looks like this panel can be had for a great price. Macmall lists it for $1720 and onsale lists it for $1630. If you don't have to pay taxes from these companies, these prices are significantly cheaper than the Apple. I'm ready to get the plastic out very shortly.
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Yeah. I noticed only the color gamut. The 30" is already plenty bright, and two DVI ports is gimmicky for me as I am not going to be switching from one machine to another. You can rotate the 30" ACDs as well, but not as gracefully.

If I could find the NEC cheaper than the ACDs then I would go for the NEC IMHO. I still have an affinity for the matching aluminum of the ACD and the always useful FW400 hub in the back, so unless the NEC comes in at $300 or more less than the ACDs it will be a hard choice for me. I was looking at the cheaper stuff but has I have said it's been proven that I won't get my monies worth, so the ACDs is still in my sights.
 
Benjamindaines said:
My bet would be the end of this year or begining of next. Apple is waiting for the price of LED panels to come down, currently the good ones run about 5-6000 dollars for a 20 inch.
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Is this likely? Sounds like its at least worth waiting until the event at the end of february. M-Rs hasn't mentioned the possibility of a display update then, but I guess we can but hope.
 
Digital Skunk said:
Yeah. I noticed only the color gamut. The 30" is already plenty bright, and two DVI ports is gimmicky for me as I am not going to be switching from one machine to another. You can rotate the 30" ACDs as well, but not as gracefully.

If I could find the NEC cheaper than the ACDs then I would go for the NEC IMHO. I still have an affinity for the matching aluminum of the ACD and the always useful FW400 hub in the back, so unless the NEC comes in at $300 or more less than the ACDs it will be a hard choice for me. I was looking at the cheaper stuff but has I have said it's been proven that I won't get my monies worth, so the ACDs is still in my sights.
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i guess it all comes down to opinion, but putting drive interface ports (FW) on a monitor instead of display interface ports (DVI) seems like the gimmick, to me. You can always buy a firewire hub if you need to (but with daisy-chaining, why would you need to?), but you can't easily add DVI ports to a 30" display...and honestly, most people buying a 30" display could find some value in connecting more than one device to it...it's not like you can get a better-looking screen anywhere else!
 
Amigalander said:
Don't confuse an OLED screen with an LED backlight. No computer currently uses an OLED, especially since the largest screen size is 11 inches and costs $2500.
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Hey thanks for clearing that up for me. Is it feasible to expect 24/24inch ACD's at this stage? I have one at Domayne that I have paid for and am waiting for the 26th Feb rumored event before I pick it up. The guys at Domayne are excellent by the way.
PS. Got my Mac Pro Octo today, mainly for Aperture use and it is amazingly fast, even more so than I thought. I am so happy with it and have ordered a copy of Aperture 2.0.
Just waiting for Migration Assistant to finish its magic.
 
benpatient said:
i guess it all comes down to opinion, but putting drive interface ports (FW) on a monitor instead of display interface ports (DVI) seems like the gimmick, to me. You can always buy a firewire hub if you need to (but with daisy-chaining, why would you need to?), but you can't easily add DVI ports to a 30" display...and honestly, most people buying a 30" display could find some value in connecting more than one device to it...it's not like you can get a better-looking screen anywhere else!
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I guess it is opinion, but don't discredit the hub on the back of the ACD. That is far more useful than two DVI ports. Most users purchasing any display aren't planing on hooking up more than one workstation to it anyway, and with the hub, you don't have to buy a PCIe card for an extra $100.
 
If you want a 30" Take a look at dell's 3008WFP it has an S-IPS Panel it's very adjustable and has every port you could imagine and I think it's looks better than apple's.
 
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