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wasn't there some developer saying it could be improved through an iOS update, from insanely mac or somewhere, didn't sound very realistic to me but people using beta versions of iOS with a Samsung chip have reported hugely improved battery life so maybe there is truth to it, or maybe it's just an overall battery life improvement. still it could be worse, my Nexus 5 gets 50 minutes of screen on time before it is flat :p

Judging by how hot my phone has gotten just using the FB app or playing Badlands yesterday. I think they could probably optimize things a little better with some sort of firmware update while they update the OS. I mean would we really know if they updated firmware on iPhones?
 
If you use iphone 6s plus and your wife/husband use iphone 6s plus too, it will be so easy to tell one battery goes much faster if one has samsang chip set but another is not! You said you cannot tell just because you have nothing to compare! You would think your bike is fastest before you see someone drives a car!
Read my post again. That's not even close to what I said. I said that you can't tell what chip you have by using the phone. You can only tell by downloading an app that tells you which chip you have. You still can't know which chip you have by comparing battery life to your spouse or anyone else for that reason, as everyone uses their phone a little differently.
 
I have noticed a significant decrease in battery performance. I do have a Samsung chip, but main issue is how slow my phone is charging. Don't think that has anything to do with the chip. :(
 
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Not so active today.... just over 3 hours usage in reality with 6S and remainder on standby ... after nearly whole day closing in on 60% with a Samsung chip.

Background activity with apps not optimized for iOS9 had some impact on battery before but fixed thx to update.

Other days I can hammer down on the phone a bit more but no major slumps in battery drain.

This is comparing to a 5S which tended to drink a lot and need recharging within one day, particularly after heavier usage. The need for recharging feels much longer now on my 6S due no doubt to the bigger sizer in battery. Compared to before, the phone can last considerably longer without the need for a recharge.

So for 5S users I would think this is a pleasant upgrade despite slight differences in A9 chips.

For iP6 owners, it maybe a different story.
 

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Just for the fun of it, I removed the SIM, enabled bluetooth and WiFi and removed the SIM cards from an iPhone 6 plus and a iPhone 6s to compare battery life using Geekbench. Both screen are set to max brightness as well.

After 30 minutes, the iPhone 6 plus has 88% battery life remaining and the 6s has 85% remaining. Also, I have noticed that throughout the test after initially getting 3 points difference, they have remained consistent with 3 points difference. I know that battery usage isn't necessarily linear and more separation may occur later in the test. I just wanted to compare a bit and see how large a difference. I have found using them both throughout the day with the same standby and usage times that battery life was very similar which was surprising. Just a nugget from my experience, YMMV.
 
I ran geek bench on my 6s last night. It started out really well with the first 30min only draining 7% of the battery. However the phone went to 0% in 4hr13min.
The phone was on wifi calling with att and Bluetooth turned off. I'm still within my 2 week return period and thinking of what to do. My 6 gave me 8hr days and the 6s is on,y giving 6hr of usage.
 
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I ran geek bench on my 6s last night. It started out really well with the first 30min only draining 7% of the battery. However the phone went to 0% in 4hr13min.
The phone was on wifi calling with att and Bluetooth turned off. I'm still within my 2 week return period and thinking of what to do. My 6 gave me 8hr days and the 6s is on,y giving 6hr of usage.

Yeah, I have been contemplating the return of my 6s. Frankly, for what I do it doesn't offer much over my 6 plus except better hand-holding. Yeah, it is faster but my 6 plus was plenty fast. I don't do gaming and the camera is only marginally better. 3DTouch is okay, but isn't a killer feature IMO. The selfie camera is a great improvement, but I don't do selfies except maybe twice a year :). Decisions, decisions.
 
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I agree that this is mostly a mountain out of a molehill, but I keep coming back to the temperature difference between the two chips. It's still possible that Samsung was delivering to Apple chips that were of poorer quality than they promised, but they passed the synthetic benchmarks that Apple normally used to verify functionality.

In the end IF there is a problem with the chips large enough to impact the specs the phone was sold under then Apple will replace them. If there is no difference or not enough to impact specs then this will be the last we hear about it from Apple.
 
Difficult for plus modal owners concerning "downgrades" and drop in battery life... understandable. That is why I did not go that route. Better to work up gradually and resist the big plunge. That way each upgrade compared to previous modal should get better battery life, new functionality and hopefully bigger real estate. My hands just cannot handle that 5.5 inch screen. Perfect size perhaps closer to 5 inches. Looking forward to that in future modals while I enjoy a screen size upgrade from my 5S.
 
Reminds me a few years ago when Apple went to another manufacturer for Mac Book Air screens. Then everybody was checking their MacBooks to make sure they had the Samsung version and how better it was compared to the other one. Instead of just enjoying their Apple product. Semantics at its finest.
 
Thats nice. I have no reason to fabricate claims of dodgy performance. I don't own a 6+ and have no desire to. Show me a 6+ that has no jitter and I'll believe you. Maybe you don't perceive them. I see no reason why Apple's 6+'s at multiple stores should exhibit similar issues with jitter, unless it was a systematic issues (albeit a small one) due to the 6+ not having the hardware to cope wiht that massive and hi resolution display.

Fanboism and justifying problems with Apple products are also typical activities, though you are also joining in by whining at people who question Apple over anything.

People can still enjoy their 6+ even if it jitters. I enjoy my iPad 2, that doesn't take away from the fact it runs slow. That however is not a justification for Apple being cheap and under speccing a phone that should have at the very least had 2GB of ram. (Like how the iPad Air 1 should have had 2GB of ram, and the iPad 3 should have had a better GPU and CPU to cope with the Retina display)

When people pay inordinate amounts of money for a phone (6S) they expect the best possible battery life etc, and it seems the Samsung model doesn't deliver that.
i don't have to show you anything.
iPhone 6+ is sold worldwide, and dude it sells like hot cake. People are voting with their wallet. Maybe I don't perceive that because it doesn't exist and only very picky (or OCD) people perceive it. Apple can't please everyone.
There is nothing cheap or undespecced in any iPhone , and only someone with very little knowledge about electronics could say that.
On the iPad 3 I partially agree with you: it indeed was slightly under specced and it was the only Apple iDevice to be replaced after few months.

Your conclusion about the "Samsung model" that doesn't deliver is just plain false.... and so typical of this forum.
 
Maybe bend gate, but antennagate was not overblown. Every single GSM iPhone 4 had the problem, and touching the spot caused the signal to drop 20+dB immediately. Basically meant a call would drop in anything less than 5 bars. Was verifiable in field test mode.
As I said a thousand times, Apple sold something like 60 millions or more of iPhone 4 in 4-5 years, to happy customers.
This "drop call" issue is totally BS ...
I used my iPhone 4 for 13 months without a single issue and I live in an area where signal strength drop to 1-2 bars often.
 
Anandtech: Analyzing Apple's Statement on TSMC and Samsung A9 SoCs

Since we first learned that the A9 SoC in Apple’s iPhone 6s lineup is dual sourced - that is that it's being made by two different vendors with two distinct manufacturing processes - one major question has remained in the process of reviewing these two phones. The main issue under question here is whether the TSMC A9 or Samsung A9 have any difference in performance and power consumption. If there is a difference, the question then becomes whether the difference is significant.

In an atypical move for the normally tight lipped manufacturer, Apple issued a statement this afternoon in response to these questions and some rudamentary end-user benchmarking showing that there may be a difference:

With the Apple-designed A9 chip in your iPhone 6s or iPhone 6s Plus, you are getting the most advanced smartphone chip in the world. Every chip we ship meets Apple's highest standards for providing incredible performance and deliver great battery life, regardless of iPhone 6s capacity, color, or model.

Certain manufactured lab tests which run the processors with a continuous heavy workload until the battery depletes are not representative of real-world usage, since they spend an unrealistic amount of time at the highest CPU performance state. It's a misleading way to measure real-world battery life. Our testing and customer data show the actual battery life of the iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus, even taking into account variable component differences, vary within just 2-3% of each other.

It interesting to see this response as Apple normally doesn’t comment on anything like this, which in turn is likely a good indicator of how seriously Apple is taking any concerns. However, this statement is also of interest because it's revealing in terms of what internal data Apple has collected on the issue. Apple has in recent years been one of the better companies in accurately promoting the battery life of their products, and that kind of accuracy comes not only from taking a conservative (safe) stance in marketing, but also collecting massive amounts of data to understand their products and their capabilities.

The Test
To get to the meat of matters then, let's talk about battery life, tests, chips, and statistics. In terms of the testing that has seemingly...

...

...where do we stand? The short answer is that all we know is that we don't know. What we know is that there isn't enough information currently out there to accurately determine whether the TSMC or Samsung A9 SoC has better power consumption, and more importantly just how large any difference might be. 1-on-1 comparisons under controlled conditions can provide us with some insight in to how the TSMC and Samsung A9s compare, but due to the natural variation in chip quality, it's possible to end up testing two atypical phones and never know it.

To that end I suspect that Apple's statement is not all that far off. They are of course one of the few parties able to actually analyze a large number of phones, and perhaps more to the point, having a wide variation in battery life on phones - even if every phone meets the minimum specifications - is not a great thing for Apple. It can cause buyers to start hunting down phones with "golden" A9s, and make other buyers feel like they've been swindled by not receiving an A9 with as low the power consumption as someone else. To be clear there will always be some variance and this is normal and expected, but if Apple has done their homework they should have it well understood and reasonably narrow. The big risk to Apple is that dual sourcing A9s in this fashion makes that task all the harder, which is one of the reasons why SoCs are rarely dual sourced.

As for AnandTech, we'll continue digging into the matter. Unfortunately all of the iPhones we've received and purchased so far have used TSMC A9s - it's a silicon lottery, after all - but whether there is a real and consistent difference between the TSMC and Samsung A9s is a very interesting question and one we're still looking to ultimately be able to address.​
 
Pretty dissapointed in Anandtech. They don't have any Samsung A9's, and essentially they are saying: "What we know, is that we don't know".

Have to wait for they to dig deeper... or are they afraid of Apple to get mad? After all, Anand left to work for Apple.

Usually they have at this time review out. Maybe they need more time...

Or then we another iMac 5K review which was promised but still has not been published!
 
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i don't have to show you anything.
iPhone 6+ is sold worldwide, and dude it sells like hot cake. People are voting with their wallet. Maybe I don't perceive that because it doesn't exist and only very picky (or OCD) people perceive it. Apple can't please everyone.
There is nothing cheap or undespecced in any iPhone , and only someone with very little knowledge about electronics could say that.
On the iPad 3 I partially agree with you: it indeed was slightly under specced and it was the only Apple iDevice to be replaced after few months.

Your conclusion about the "Samsung model" that doesn't deliver is just plain false.... and so typical of this forum.

Your constant argument of sales numbers doesn't equate to quality of a product. It doesn't work like that. Apple is one of the biggest marketing machines on earth. They can sell you something subpar and make you think it is awesome. That is their game. That is what they do best. McDonalds, Starbucks, etc. All of these are brand leaders selling millions of their products, but their quality of product can certainly be questioned.
 
Apple expects users to only stare at the clock all day with their iphones.



Do you hear yourself? You're talking about a 1000euros phone!

Reread your own post!!

As much as advertised for the tasks people actually do, which go well beyond reading time.
That's it.

That's how engineering work, fulfilling specific use cases, not every single use case in existence.
And especially not being tuned for a benchmark, that's more what Samsung and many others did in the past.

Are you one of those 0.00000000001% of people who run benchmarks all day long?
If so, you may feel gimped...
Otherwise, what the hell are you talking about

Will this 15-20 minutes less battery life less your getting on average,
but still more than advertised, be the end of you... (sic)

Or are you Just pushing buttons for kicks.
 
According to this report... the Samsung/TSMC split was set into motion back in 2013:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ion-of-apples-14-nm-a9-chips-in-2015.1685887/

I wonder what will happen in the future. Can a single supplier handle all of Apple's chip needs? Why does Apple split the load anyway?

TSMC could have supplied Apple's needs, but Apple like to play one supplier against another to suppress the price, not that there's anything wrong with that......

Also Apple wanted to try Samsung's 14 nm.
 
So you have NEITHER?! Ew. Android
Hah, it just means that my comments were fairly impartial but the responses to my comments are geared towards whichever chip is deemed best on any given day. Samsung was the chip to have initially, with everyone saying it was faster. Now everyone wants TSMC and the slightly better battery life. Oh forum users…driving me crazy as always.
 
As I said a thousand times, Apple sold something like 60 millions or more of iPhone 4 in 4-5 years, to happy customers.
This "drop call" issue is totally BS ...
I used my iPhone 4 for 13 months without a single issue and I live in an area where signal strength drop to 1-2 bars often.

Whew... I'm so relieved you can speak for everyone experience worldwide. Sales does not equal quality or lack of problems. If you believe that you would be celebrating Microsoft's 14 different billion dollar businesses and touting their excellence everyday.
 
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Every single GSM iPhone 4 had the problem

Long before Apple made phones, I worked at a communications company where Nokia cellphones were issued to every employee. With so many RF engineers around, believe me, we definitely noticed signal attenuation based on hand grip, which was verifiable by putting the Nokias into field mode, where the single strength can be identified (as opposed to bars).

When cellphones went from extended antennas to internal antennas, every single phone had the "you're holding it wrong" problem of attenuating the signal based on hand grip. Some of the RF engineers stuck with their extendable antenna cell phones for a comically long time in order to have the best signal possible.

Nokia, which included incredibly thorough manuals back then, always had a "you're holding it wrong" warning, like the following examples.

Flip phone example:

nokia-antenna-manual.jpg


"Candy bar" example:

tumblr_mhwtoiyy5Q1qcigboo1_1280.png

Looking at the "no" pictures, you can see these are actually quite common hand positions for people to use.

I'm not sure why Apple in particular suffered so much coverage from "antenna-gate" when this had been a normal phenomenon for all phones for years. I suspect it was a confluence of Apple being a media favorite, Apple making a big deal about the antenna, and people simply liking to take down the "big dog" a notch or two. Sure, Nokia was the big dog in the past, but that was prior to internet tech stories going viral.

Anyway, I hope you understand that I'm not trying to denigrate your problem. I had an iPhone 4 too and it definitely had the problem too. I'm just saying it's WAY more common than people think, and hardly limited to the iPhone 4 or even Apple.
 
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due to the natural variation in chip quality, it's possible to end up testing two atypical phones and never know it.
This is the very focal point of the matter.
TSMC's could be inherently slightly better than Samsung 's, but variations in chip quality could mess up things, since we are speaking of very little differences...
Your constant argument of sales numbers doesn't equate to quality of a product. It doesn't work like that. Apple is one of the biggest marketing machines on earth. They can sell you something subpar and make you think it is awesome. That is their game. That is what they do best. McDonalds, Starbucks, etc. All of these are brand leaders selling millions of their products, but their quality of product can certainly be questioned.
it DOES WORK exactly like that.
People don't buy defective and flawed phones FOR YEARS. Sure, due to the Apple brand they could have bought first batches on the market, but if the phone was really flawed, it would have been a fiasco.
It was a success.
Whew... I'm so relieved you can speak for everyone experience worldwide. Sales does not equal quality or lack of problems. If you believe that you would be celebrating Microsoft's 14 different billion dollar businesses and touting their excellence everyday.
Sales of an high end pricey phone equal to quality.
People don't spend hundreds of dollars for a defective product, and for years (I say again, the iPhone 4 was sold for 4 years and today you still can find some new).
 
Long before Apple made phones, I worked at a communications company where Nokia cellphones were issued to every employee. With so many RF engineers around, believe me, we definitely noticed signal attenuation based on hand grip, which was verifiable by putting the Nokias into field mode, where the single strength can be identified (as opposed to bars).

When cellphones went from extended antennas to internal antennas, every single phone had the "you're holding it wrong" problem of attenuating the signal based on hand grip. Some of the RF engineers stuck with their extendable antenna cell phones for a comically long time in order to have the best signal possible.

Nokia, which included incredibly thorough manuals back then, always had a "you're holding it wrong" warning, like the following examples.

Flip phone example:

nokia-antenna-manual.jpg


"Candy bar" example:

tumblr_mhwtoiyy5Q1qcigboo1_1280.png

Looking at the "no" pictures, you can see these are actually quite common hand positions for people to use.

I'm not sure why Apple in particular suffered so much coverage from "antenna-gate" when this is a normal phenomenon for all phones for years. I suspect it was a confluence of Apple being a media favorite, Apple making a big deal about the antenna, and people simply liking to take down the "big dog" a notch or two. Sure, Nokia was the big dog in the past, but that was prior to internet tech stories going viral.

Anyway, I hope you understand that I'm not trying to denigrate your problem. I had an iPhone 4 too and it definitely had the problem too. I'm just saying it's WAY more common than people think, and hardly limited to the iPhone 4 or even Apple.
you absolutely summarize the matter with a great post ...

iPhone 4 antenna wasn't great for sure, but the web made it up because it was Apple.
 
This is the very focal point of the matter.
TSMC's could be inherently slightly better than Samsung 's, but variations in chip quality could mess up things, since we are speaking of very little differences...

it DOES WORK exactly like that.
People don't buy defective and flawed phones FOR YEARS. Sure, due to the Apple brand they could have bought first batches on the market, but if the phone was really flawed, it would have been a fiasco.
It was a success.

Sales of an high end pricey phone equal to quality.
People don't spend hundreds of dollars for a defective product, and for years (I say again, the iPhone 4 was sold for 4 years and today you still can find some new).

Just because you say so does not make is so. People are known to convince themselves of things that aren't true all the time. I am willing to wager more people buy iPhones for status than for any other reason. I have seen people who barely had enough money to buy their next meal get an iPhone when other manufacturers are cheaper with the same quality. Believe what you wish and be happy in the reality distortion field :p
 
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