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More thoughts on the 3%...

Here's something I don't really agree with..

If several iPhone 6S (Samsung) users post their results (and have) this is what it looks like (geekbench scores)

3hr50min
4hr:22min
3hr:58min
4hr:05min

Okay... those were some (Samsung) scores.. Those all look like "within tolerance" of each other. I get that..

But then TSMC times are like

5hr22min
6hr:05min
5hr:33min

Those all are very similar to each other as well. But there is big differences between the two.



Remember this apple said "average user" well we are not average at all we are freaking nerds for crying out loud. The average user is including my mom, grandma, inlaws, nongamers and all the millions of people that use their phone for imessage, phone calls, and light internet browsing.

If you are a gamer and play the latest games? What then?

If you bought the phone for 4K video and plan on editing a lot on your phone. What then??

You are getting cheated, potentially by quite a bit.
Nope. All statistical evidence (not the single tests that are statistically meaningless) indicates a tiny variance. Nice try with the 4K and gaming. All that matters is Apple published a spec: battery life. If the phone meets the spec it succeeded. If it is below spec, swap it at the Genius Bar. Case closed.
 
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You're - it wrong (haha I'm so clever because I can insert something to reference a quote that never actually came from Jobs but from a Gizmodo blogger).
According to this... Jobs replied to a customer in an email with:

"Just avoid holding it in that way"

Which eventually became part of the lexicon as:

"You're holding it wrong"

:D

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This make me think about a more efficient TSMC SoC ...
Using synthetic benchmark the SOC is used at around 100% of its computational power and in that conditions the TSMC A9 is less power hungry than samsung's
In real world usage , differences are masked by the continuous switch between power states of the SoC, reducing the gap to a 2%....
 
Because Apple is the only company that has variants in suppliers. /s
Well, to be honest this is the first time I saw a SoC built in two different foundries...
Internal components surely come from different suppliers on every mass production item, but the SoC usually is made by one foundry.
Funny, two weeks ago nobody with a Samsung chip had a battery life issue. Hell, they were celebrating because they had a Samsung chip. Now they all have "issues". This forum has jumped the shark.
That's true, and it represents the typical hysteria of forums like this.
 
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Tmc chip has a Higher nanometer count. Throttling kicks in quicker. A throttled processor will use less energy than one running at max capacity.
Except the A9 has been demonstrated to hardly use any throttling, even under stress conditions like synthetics benchmarks ....
 
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They never commented on the 6+ being an underspecced POS.
Because it isn't...
I kind of enjoy the fact that some people here on MacRumors will loose sleep over this.

Love how after Apple comes out with a statement, some are will defend them at all costs despite being the most vocals ones in the other thread complaining and whining about going to an Apple Store and demanding a replacement and stuff.

Bunch of hypocrites. lol
What is very funny is that I'm sure differences between different batches of the same battery are bigger than 2-3% but people here ignore that, while whining for this TSMC/ Samsung issue...
 
This make me think about a more efficient TSMC SoC ...
Using synthetic benchmark the SOC is used at around 100% of its computational power and in that conditions the TSMC A9 is less power hungry than samsung's
In real world usage , differences are masked by the continuous switch between power states of the SoC, reducing the gap to a 2%....

Well, they should try gaming for a few hours then, that 3D one they demonstrated in the keynote. I would call that a real world test.
 
I don't know how the 6 Plus. But my 6s Plus' battery isn't as impressive as I was led to believe. I do know I have the Samsung chip. I'm currently at 15hr 45 min standby and about 10hr 30 min of usage. And 24% remaining. My usage includes all day Bluetooth on the AppleWatch and about 2 hours of Bluetooth audio playing podcasts, Facebook, texting and various surfing.

Does this sound about right or a bit low? This is certainly better than my iPhone 6.

This actually sounds way better than my 6s plus with Samsung chip...
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I don't understand why some of you are making a big deal out of a non-issue. This is completely blown out of proportion. The fact is, both chips meet or exceed Apple's battery and performance claims. Unless you have a defective device, YOU GOT WHAT YOU PAID FOR, regardless of the manufacturer of the Apple-designed A9 SOC in your iPhone. You have no right to demand a particular chip as long as the chip that you ended up with performs at or above Apple's claims, which they BOTH do. To those wanting to return their Samsung for a TSMC--think for just a moment what you're doing. You're wasting your time, Apple's time, the cost and labor of refurbishing (well, not really refurbishing since there's no defect) that iPhone which has absolutely NOTHING wrong with it, just so you can have a 50% chance of getting a TSMC that will offer you nothing but a placebo effect, as any battery or performance difference in REAL-WORLD use is negligible and will NOT be perceptible to the end-user (you). Find something more productive to put your time and energy into. Also, I'm disappointed in the way you MacRumors have been presenting this information. You're contributing to the problem and causing unnecessary...well...everything, from whining constantly about their SOC manufacturer to iPhone returns for no valid reason other than trying to get a TSMC that will make no noticeable difference in the user's day-to-day usage. Bottom line is, they are both A9s that perform as advertised.
very true indeed.
This story as any other false #gate in the past few years, is just a click bait, and mac rumors fuel it up.
Serial complainers, heaters and extremely picky people are enjoying threads like this.
I'm sure there actually will be people returning perfectly working devices looking for a TSMC A9.
I really hope they will find a sub-standard battery in their new unit.
 
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To be fair I'm surprised they made a statement at all!

You are surprised that apple has about 60 million Samsung chips out there and don't want a panic return epidemic on them lol

Of course they are going to make a statement to stop a huge rush of people wanting a chip that uses less power.
 
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According to this... Jobs replied to a customer in an email with:

"Just avoid holding it in that way"

Which eventually became part of the lexicon as:

"You're holding it wrong"

:D

jobsemail.jpg
Again, he never said "you're holding it wrong". His solution was to hold it differently. And he was right.
 
You are surprised that apple has about 60 million Samsung chips out there and don't want a panic return epidemic on them lol

Of course they are going to make a statement to stop a huge rush of people wanting a chip that uses less power.

Nah man, the regular consumer doesn't give a ****.

The lithographic process used and power profile of a chip is not some 99% of customers care about.

Commenting only gives it credence
 
very true indeed.
This story as any other false #gate in the past few years, is just a click bait, and mac rumors fuel it up.
Serial complainers, heaters and extremely picky people are enjoying threads like this.
I'm sure there actually will be people returning perfectly working devices looking for a TSMC A9.
I really hope they will find a sub-standard battery in their new unit.


I have a Samsung A9 6S and got 8:50 usage time at 16% left yesterday with 56% of that being a game (Star Wars Commander). Not going to return this phone. The screen is near perfect, and in my normal usage its at least as good as the 6 I had prior battery wise if not a little better.

Yes this forum is full of herd mentality based around click bait type reporting. MR has some good info and other times feed into the herd mentality aspect.
 
Again, he never said "you're holding it wrong". His solution was to hold it differently.
Correct.

But if Jobs didn't send that email... we wouldn't have that glorious quote. It all began with Jobs.

So who was the Gizmodo blogger you're crediting?
 
Ten hours of HEAVY use will deplete an iPhone's battery under normal conditions. That's beyond the usage pattern of most people. Heavy gamers like yourself should get a battery case
Yeah. I have one, which can only help me keep the phone on before sleeping, and the recharging speed is really slow.
Despite that, I don't know if iPhone 6s Plus could handle such 10 hours use.
 
I don't know how the 6 Plus. But my 6s Plus' battery isn't as impressive as I was led to believe. I do know I have the Samsung chip. I'm currently at 15hr 45 min standby and about 10hr 30 min of usage. And 24% remaining. My usage includes all day Bluetooth on the AppleWatch and about 2 hours of Bluetooth audio playing podcasts, Facebook, texting and various surfing.

Does this sound about right or a bit low? This is certainly better than my iPhone 6.
Do you by any chance use Overcast? The smart speed feature kills the battery. So if you got a Samsung chip and use this a lot I guess there will be a real world difference right there after all.
 
Samsung is still one of the biggest (thus best) providers of microchips. Apple should go 100% samsung on this. Nobody want's cheap crap-chips in the phone.
 
According to this report... the Samsung/TSMC split was set into motion back in 2013:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ion-of-apples-14-nm-a9-chips-in-2015.1685887/

I wonder what will happen in the future. Can a single supplier handle all of Apple's chip needs? Why does Apple split the load anyway?

Of course they can. They did in the past. Apple are just spooked by Samsung/Apple suing taking over and they shut off the hot water. Instead of just getting along they are running this "We are afraid, so we better put up nukes"-tactic, that America does today. Its shameful to see this happen the IT industry. Thereby not saying Samsung is any better, that is.
 
Don't think its fair to criticise Macrumours for only writing three stories about it..

For example Cultofmac have written seven, yes seven, seperate articles on the same thing.. if that isn't clickbait fear mongering I don't know what is
 
Nope. All statistical evidence (not the single tests that are statistically meaningless) indicates a tiny variance. Nice try with the 4K and gaming. All that matters is Apple published a spec: battery life. If the phone meets the spec it succeeded. If it is below spec, swap it at the Genius Bar. Case closed.
No, all statistical evidence proves you're wrong, nice try to defend Apple.
 
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