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What IS terrifying, not just looks, is the number of deaths in the US. What IS terrifying is the number of infected people in the US. Unlike *any* other country, except Brazil perhaps. What IS terrifying are posts like yours, in spite of all the evidence. Still not enough? WOW! This is exactly why the virus has spread so much in the US. Because of politicians and people who have underestimated the danger and still underestimate it. Like YOU! Take your responsibility for spreading total nonsense.
Why are you so worried about the total number of infections? It's clear that more than 99% of infected people will fully recover, if recovery is even required...I see the media has done it's job and scared the actual life out of you..
 
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Stop spreading this nonsense. The basic math tells you that 0.05% death rate and 128K dead in USA means that 256M people in USA got infected by Covid-19 i.e. almost everyone. For your own sake, never use the news source where you learned this nonsense again.
This assumes that the 128k death toll figure is accurate. Spoiler alert, it is not. We're hearing countless reports of people's deaths being associated with a COVID infection when there had been no tests done and very little evidence found for it. It's kind of naive to simply take the government statistics at face value. People who are dying from cystic fibrosis have been labeled as having died from COVID-19 as well as other illnesses. It is public knowledge that many hospitals have been instructed to take a liberal approach when it comes to classifying death certificates. A COVID test is simply not a requirement in order for COVID to be listed on a death certificate. How much clearer do I need to make this?
 
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I am doing my math by not looking at reported confirmed cases only. What kind of a ridiculous person is going to take confirmed infections and use that number to come to a death rate conclusion?? I look at research that has concluded that with everyone who has ever and will ever be infected by COVID, that 0.05% roughly will die from it. Worldometer, the source that you use, only lists government numbers. Very few of those numbers are people who have been infected by Sars-Cov-2 and not shown any symptoms, i.e asymptomatic. There has been an increasing number of studies that seek to find out what the true infection rate and death rate are. Most of these studies conclude that it is roughly 0.05% some have even said that it is possibly less than that.
I'm curious, how did you come up with this math?
 
This assumes that the 128k death toll figure is accurate. Spoiler alert, it is not. We're hearing countless reports of people's deaths being associated with a COVID infection when there had been no tests done and very little evidence found for it. It's kind of naive to simply take the government statistics at face value. People who are dying from cystic fibrosis have been labeled as having died from COVID-19 as well as other illnesses. It is public knowledge that many hospitals have been instructed to take a liberal approach when it comes to classifying death certificates. A COVID test is simply not a requirement in order for COVID to be listed on a death certificate. How much clearer do I need to make this?
The issue with your logic is that countries with completely different reimbursement systems come up with very similar mortality rates. The mortality rate ranges between 2-8% in most nations, including the ones with socialized medicine. These numbers are consistent enough to consider them probably correct. Hospitalizations are still a better marker of the rate of serious COVID cases. Asymptomatic and thus undiagnosed case rate would only make a huge difference if we have evidence that these people develop long-term immunity. Data suggests that they definitely have weaker immunity with antibody levels already dropping 2 months after recovery and there's a very good chance that the immunity is temporary (just like with other coronaviridae). But if you're skeptical about whether there's something decimating the populace, all you need to look at is the excess death rate (find it on the CDC site). Hint, it spiked over the past months.
 
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I'm curious, how did you come up with this math?
The internet has made everyone an instant expert, just choose the topic and presto! Let’s just close the medical, business, nursing, engineering schools they have become unnecessary with all the instant internet experts. 🤣
 
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It varies some went up most didn’t change, Google is your friend. Most point to Memorial Day as the turning point.
I'm certain that the protests are partly responsible, but their effect manifests in an unexpected way: asymptomatic infection amongst the young and healthy protesters that goes undiagnosed, then symptomatic and thus evaluated and diagnosed cases amongst those whom they've infected.
 
The internet has made everyone an instant expert, just choose the topic and presto! Let’s just close the medical, business, nursing, engineering, schools they have become unnecessary with all the instant internet experts. 🤣
Honestly! Why go to college? Why go to night school? All one needs to do is sleep at a Holiday Inn Express and they can be an instant expert in any field imaginable!
 
People will need to realize that Covid-19 most likely will not go away. A vaccine will greatly reduce its impact, but Covid-19 will remain a dangerous thing quite possibly forever.
It's probably going to become a seasonal issue, and we'll probably have awful CoFlu seasons.

keep them all closed for 1.5 years until no more COVID19.

Shutting down everything permanently isn't the solution. Upping infection control measures, is the way to go (from hand washing, to temporary targeted lockdowns).
 
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I'm certain that the protests are partly responsible, but their effect manifests in an unexpected way: asymptomatic infection amongst the young and healthy protesters that goes undiagnosed, then symptomatic and thus evaluated and diagnosed cases amongst those whom they've infected.
Being certain because of an agenda and facts have a wrestling match these days. Easy to see where the hotspots are And where the largest demonstrations were. Since the open the country now, raid government buildings with guns, with no masks or social distancing preceded the BLM protests maybe you’re right 🤔
 
And where is all of this money that we're borrowing coming from? Thin air?
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You're comparing last year's entire flu season to several months of COVID so far. Also, the CDC flu death total is actually a range of 24,000 to 62,000 for the 2019/2020 flu season. You're right, though. These aren't small numbers. Which is even more reason for people to get on board with masks, social distancing, and other precautions. If the official COVID death toll is to be believed, we've already had between 2x and 6x the number of deaths from COVID as from flu. COVID cases are surging. We're reporting new daily highs almost daily. If this keeps up, the deaths from COVID versus the flu in the same one year period will be 10x or more.

I wish people would stop comparing COVID to the flu. It's clearly more serious and more contagious. Constantly comparing it to the flu seems like an effort to normalize things, minimize concern and convince people that "it's no worse than the flu (so why should I care)".
You can’t have it both ways. If Covid is serious, so is the flu. Cases don’t necessarily make Covid more serious and the first year of deaths didn’t either. The flu is extremely dangerous, has mutated, and continues to rack up tens of thousands of deaths year after year...and this is with a vaccine and Tamiflu....and herd immunity.

My point is, the flu should have never been “normalized” if Covid can’t be treated the same way. The flu is objectively dangerous and has case numbers and far above Covid. I understand Covid is new.

Again, cases are being pushed by the media to create more hysteria (for likely nefarious reasons not related to public health) and we should be a lot more focused on hospitalizations, real Covid deaths, and measures to prevent them. We really don’t need to know about every case with Covid, just like we don’t for the flu. The case comparisons don’t make sense versus a few months ago. More testing, more people being tested, etc can skew the numbers.

There could have been 100,000 cases per day in March and now we are at more like 80,000...as an example. You can’t necessarily compare the numbers and for the same reasons can’t compare between countries. Many countries have stopped testing or stopped reporting or report fake numbers. 85,000 cases in China? Yeah, ok. 👍

The flu killed 61,000 (CDC) in 2017’s flu season.

Covid is a brand new virus, so of course it’s hitting harder now. We will see what it does in the future, but projecting it makes no sense. You just projected 10X more Covid deaths by using linear math. Doesn’t work. It already doesn’t work bc death rates have slowed from initially, which makes sense. That’s one reason why death projections have been so wrong.
 
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Yes and no. Many thing happened in the meantime, including getting rid of the gold standard. Money "creation" (=borrowing) is also different.

I wasn't getting into the particulars of fiat currency, just where we borrow money from. The point to I made to them is nothing novel is happening now and it's been done this way for many decades.
 
Yet deaths associated with it have been declining ever since the peak in April. There is still very little evidence that suggests that asymptomatic people are able to transmit the virus. The virus has a death rate of just 0.05%.

With the broadcasting of all of these COVID related numbers on all sorts of websites and TV channels, of course it looks terrifying, however I think the general public would feel a lot more at ease if they also saw all other sorts of numbers besides the COVID numbers. Simply due to the fact that COVID is the only disease which has had its numbers published and broadcasted in such a widespread and continual manner.

I'd love to see a source for this statement, the WHO came out and said it then retracted their statement.
 
This assumes that the 128k death toll figure is accurate. Spoiler alert, it is not. We're hearing countless reports of people's deaths being associated with a COVID infection when there had been no tests done and very little evidence found for it. It's kind of naive to simply take the government statistics at face value. People who are dying from cystic fibrosis have been labeled as having died from COVID-19 as well as other illnesses. It is public knowledge that many hospitals have been instructed to take a liberal approach when it comes to classifying death certificates. A COVID test is simply not a requirement in order for COVID to be listed on a death certificate. How much clearer do I need to make this?
Government statistics is the only one we have. Your suspicions about its accuracy is just a conspiracy theory. On the news we also read that some specialists believe that Covid-19 deaths are under-reported. To make it clear you need to provide a link to the source. I did not.
 
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Again, cases are being pushed by the media to create more hysteria (for likely nefarious reasons not related to public health) and we should be a lot more focused on hospitalizations, real Covid deaths, and measures to prevent them. We really don’t need to know about every case with Covid, just like we don’t for the flu. The case comparisons don’t make sense versus a few months ago. More testing, more people being tested, etc can skew the numbers.

There could have been 100,000 cases per day in March and now we are at more like 80,000...as an example. You can’t necessarily compare the numbers and for the same reasons can’t compare between countries. Many countries have stopped testing or stopped reporting or report fake numbers. 85,000 cases in China? Yeah, ok. 👍

The flu killed 61,000 (CDC) in 2017’s flu season.

Covid is a brand new virus, so of course it’s hitting harder now. We will see what it does in the future, but projecting it makes no sense. You just projected 10X more Covid deaths by using linear math. Doesn’t work. It already doesn’t work bc death rates have slowed from initially, which makes sense. That’s one reason why death projections have been so wrong.

You are embracing this b-b-but the flu thing so hard. COVID is the syndrome caused by the virus. SARS-Cov-2 is the virus. We do need to know the regional COVID statistics as much as we need to know the weather forecast in a tropical storm. I'll post it here too: the flu killed 61K with an estimated 45M symptomatic cases that season. COVID killed +120K with <2M symptomatic cases in half a season.
 
Being certain because of an agenda and facts have a wrestling match these days. Easy to see where the hotspots are And where the largest demonstrations were. Since the open the country now, raid government buildings with guns, with no masks or social distancing preceded the BLM protests maybe you’re right 🤔
The virus doesn't know how to distinguish between we agree with from those we don't like. I was monitoring cases and expected peaks 2 weeks after the protests started like in LA county and Hennepin county and to my surprise they weren't there at the 2-week mark. But there's an age and health demographic differential between the groups, so just because we didn't the effect directly it doesn't mean it's not there.
 
You can’t have it both ways. If Covid is serious, so is the flu. Cases don’t necessarily make Covid more serious and the first year of deaths didn’t either. The flu is extremely dangerous, has mutated, and continues to rack up tens of thousands of deaths year after year...and this is with a vaccine and Tamiflu....and herd immunity.

My point is, the flu should have never been “normalized” if Covid can’t be treated the same way. The flu is objectively dangerous and has case numbers and far above Covid. I understand Covid is new.

Again, cases are being pushed by the media to create more hysteria (for likely nefarious reasons not related to public health) and we should be a lot more focused on hospitalizations, real Covid deaths, and measures to prevent them. We really don’t need to know about every case with Covid, just like we don’t for the flu. The case comparisons don’t make sense versus a few months ago. More testing, more people being tested, etc can skew the numbers.

There could have been 100,000 cases per day in March and now we are at more like 80,000...as an example. You can’t necessarily compare the numbers and for the same reasons can’t compare between countries. Many countries have stopped testing or stopped reporting or report fake numbers. 85,000 cases in China? Yeah, ok. 👍

The flu killed 61,000 (CDC) in 2017’s flu season.

Covid is a brand new virus, so of course it’s hitting harder now. We will see what it does in the future, but projecting it makes no sense. You just projected 10X more Covid deaths by using linear math. Doesn’t work. It already doesn’t work bc death rates have slowed from initially, which makes sense. That’s one reason why death projections have been so wrong.

You are trying to claim that all viruses are equally dangerous which, scientifically, is nonsense. 61K deaths with no masks and isolation is very different from 128K deaths (and counting) with lock-down, social isolation and masks. Once (hopefully) we get a vaccine and maybe some better drugs for Covid-19, we will be able to handle it the same way we handle flu. The mere fact that the vaccine might be coming soon make use of lock-down meaningful (as a temporary measure). Flu being a constant presence does not give us that luxury.
 
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