Apple Comments on Microsoft's Laptop Hunter Ads

[tubbymac]

- so you buy into the form over function argument...

I do, but I like to use both Apple and PC machines for different purposes - they each fill in the holes that the other one has. It's like a dress shoe versus a running shoe. With the dress shoe you sacrifice some comfort for looks. If all you had were dress shoes, and you had to take a hike in the woods, you'd be like an Apple fanboy who would wear those shoes for all occasions But I like having those sneakers around for when comfort is more important than looks, or those hiking boots for the big treks. Why limit yourself?

have you ever driven a hyundai genesis/coupe? its a diffrent playing field, its NOTHING like their other cars. and yes i used to work at a dealership, bmw leather is CRAP, not to mention most of the bmw drivers out there dont know a ratchet from a spanner.

But it's still a Hyundai. I think most people, given the choice, would take the BMW over the Hyundai any day of the week. I do agree with you on the leather though. The annoying thing about BMW is they try to give you the fake leather first. You have to specify you want real leather and then get charged extra for it. A lot of buyers get burned by that the first time around.

 

[iMaggot]

The "frank" ad is so funny lol, I want the "I'm a Mac" ad back.

 

[DMann]

I've been googling and see nothing current regarding Photoshop CS 4 64-bit not supporting multiple displays?

Well then, it seems that you do not know from experience, that with Photoshop on a Mac, you can have one monitor with a zoomed view while having another with a 1 to 1 image updating in real time. With Photoshop in Windows, you can only use multiple monitors to arrange your tools inside of one of them, while your main images are all relegated to living inside of the other - ONE monitor at a time, and all the tiling options in the world doesn't really help this.

Well, OS X doesn't have proper multi-display support anyway.

iMacs, Minis, and Pro's utilize OS X's multi-display capabilities just fine - no hacking necessary.
Never had the problems you speak of with portables such as the MBP.

Apple Apologist opinion. Not fact.

And you know this from experience?

Again, Apple apologist opinion. Not fact. Theres a reason ProTools is the standard in the industry.

Again, you know this from experience? I use both ProTools and Logic Pro - Logic Pro happens to handle MIDI and synths much better.

Oh please, don't even try to bring up the stability argument with me. I've had OS X crash in so many different ways its ridiculous.

Stability? HAH!! While everyone around me was restarting 14 times a day, defragging once a week, and suffering through BSOD, I was more productive using OS 9 on a scale of two to one. If you have OS X crashing the way you claim that you do, either you have a hardware/RAM problem or you are running it with some heavily corrupt system files.

Wait until the cord frays and it becomes a fire hazard

And all others, when frayed, would not be? I have over six Magsafe chords, none which exhibit the slightest appearance of fraying.

I can have the card out of my camera, in the computer, and all of the images off of it in about the same amount of time it takes to connect the USB cables, power on the camera and wait for iPhoto to open. Then after that you have to wait for what seems like hours for iPhoto to pull the pictures off.

Exactly. That is why I pull the images off the card directly onto the hard drive. iPhoto is slower because it sorts and arranges the photos while it imports - This can be done after the images are loaded onto the HD.

 

[miggitymac]

And what is "old"? Some here have been with Apple longer then you are old.

Yeeah. That would be old.

 

[DMann]

but can you rotate your entire monitor? (physically and softwarewise)

your display resolution instead of 1920x1080, you will have 1080x1920, dell monitor stands allow you to have it both ways, some samsung LCd's even have a sensor and software to go with it and will auto rotate when you flip your monitor.

Can't say I've had the absolute need, but they do sound very cool - I will definitely have to check them out.

 

[mosx]

Well then, it seems that you do not know from experience, that with Photoshop on a Mac, you can have one monitor with a zoomed view while having another with a 1 to 1 image updating in real time. With Photoshop in Windows, you can only use multiple monitors to arrange your tools inside of one of them, while your main images are all relegated to living inside of the other - ONE monitor at a time, and all the tiling options in the world doesn't really help this.

Sounds neat. Again, its too bad OS X doesn't properly support multiple displays.

Gotta love how that unified menubar works across multiple displays, huh?

iMacs, Minis, and Pro's utilize OS X's multi-display capabilities just fine - no hacking necessary.
Never had the problems you speak of with portables such as the MBP.

Well, let's see. If I have a MacBook with a built-in display and I want to use an external display I have to do either one of a couple of things to get it to use ONLY the external display. One way being opening the system, hitting the power button, then closing it real fast before the display kicks on. Then it will boot to the external display. The other way being booting up normally, connecting the display, sleeping the system by closing the lid, and then waking it up with an external keyboard and mouse.

With Windows I connect the display, the first time it detects it it asks me if I want to extend, clone, or use the external display only. I click what I want and from that point on Windows always remembers my settings. So I can boot normally and it will automatically switch to the display, or I can plug the display in while I'm using the system and it will automatically switch over to my preferred settings.

The best part is that Windows automatically detects and sets the optimal display resolution and refresh rate. In OS X I have to set it manually.

Some HDTVs are 1366x768. No option for that in OS X. In fact, all of the times I've connected my MacBook to a 720p HD set, there hasn't even been an option for 1280x720! Only 1280x768. Funny enough, if I boot into Windows it will see what resolution needs to be set and set it. I can even manually type in 1366x768 in Windows and it will properly set it, pixel perfect.

Again, you know this from experience? I use both ProTools and Logic Pro - Logic Pro happens to handle MIDI and synths much better.

And I know several musicians, with actual recording contracts, who laugh at those who suggest they use Macs with Logic Pro.

Stability? HAH!! While everyone around me was restarting 14 times a day, defragging once a week, and suffering through BSOD, I was more productive using OS 9 on a scale of two to one. If you have OS X crashing the way you claim that you do, either you have a hardware/RAM problem or you are running it with some heavily corrupt system files.

Its funny how you say my system has hardware problems after mentioning the BSOD. BSOD is caused by driver/hardware issues OS X crashing is caused by OS X being unstable.

On every system I've run OS X and had it crash on, I've had Windows be 100% rock solid stable on the same system. No faulty hardware, just a faulty built-in OS.

All versions of Mac OS prior to OS X had co-operative multi-tasking. That means that anything trying to run in the background had the life sucked out of it and full system resources were dedicated to the "in focus" app. You know how you can encode a movie in iMovie in the background while continuing on with whatever you want otherwise in OS X? Yeah, Windows has been doing that since the mid 90s If you tried something like that on any Mac OS before OS X that process would crawl to a halt and practically never finish until you brought the app back into focus.

Restarting 14 times a day? Hmm. Yeah, definitely an exaggeration. So is the "defragging once a week" comment. Defragging takes less time than it does for OS X to recover from a kernel panic + repairing permissions.

And all others, when frayed, would not be? I have over six Magsafe chords, none which exhibit the slightest appearance of fraying.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA938LL/A?fnode=MTY1NDEwMQ&mco=MjE0ODI1Nw

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA538LL/B?fnode=MTY1NDEwMQ&mco=MjE0ODI1MA

Theres quite a few people there who would like to disagree with you.

You know its bad when MagSafe is the only power adapter that requires support documents to tell users how to "properly" use it http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1453

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1630

You'd think something so "innovate" and safe would be simple plug and play.

Exactly. That is why I pull the images off the card directly onto the hard drive. iPhoto is slower because it sorts and arranges the photos while it imports - This can be done after the images are loaded onto the HD.

How does it sort the photos exactly? All it does is organize them, by default, by date taken. Exactly what Windows and Windows Photo Gallery do. Windows and Photo Gallery do it in mere seconds compared to iPhoto's minutes. Pulling directly off the card in Windows with any app in Windows takes well less than 1/4 of the time it takes to pull the pictures off the camera via USB using any method in OS X. You can thank the lack of a card reader and Apple's poor USB support for the snail-like speeds.

 

[NT1440]

And I know several musicians, with actual recording contracts, who laugh at those who suggest they use Macs with Logic Pro.

And that anecdotal elitist drivel means what to us exactly?

 

[mosx]

And that anecdotal elitist drivel means what to us exactly?

Well, combine that with the fact that Macs make up barely over 3% of all computers worldwide.. Use some logic and you'll get the idea

 

[NT1440]

Well, combine that with the fact that Macs make up barely over 3% of all computers worldwide.. Use some logic and you'll get the idea

All I gather from that is that there are more windows running boxes than apples. Now if I were to bring false assumptions coupled with obvious spin and bias im sure I could arrive at whatever conclusion you are hinting at....

 

[tomwalters5678]

Tis a bit silly really

I like Macs and all, but as for the spokesperson saying the machines are better, it depends on the configurations. Then as for actually being better, that's personal preference.

 

[Rob0711]

edited myself out again since this is just a ridiculous flamewar. and there is very little sense in participating. so have fun

 

[Oscartapia]

The real cost-benefit plus with Macs

Too many - the PC users - have told they agree with the adds: Macs are too expensive... the computer price: yes, a little more expensive, but with better software, with better configurations, better looks but specially, and that is the REAL PLUS: the OS. And not only because of how well it works, but because of something Windows has failed ALWAYS: viruses.

this is something all the PC users most agree: they most spend time and money, and even data lost - and sometimes, in the worst scenario, they may need to spend on a new computer - becuae of viruses. I have used Macs for 17 years, and I have never spent a dime, and therefore not a second because of a virus problem. Even before, thus it never was turned on, I had Norton Antivirus installed... but just because it was part of the Norton System Works, that I used just to keep the computer in optimal conditions, just for defragmentation. And now from some years 'till now I don't even use that kind of software any more, in fact there is no Norton for Macs anymore, because of the little you could need it.

Just that fact is a great advantage, a great save of money.

How many time, data and money a PC user could have spent in 17 years???.... and maybe even they had to change their computers, or at least some components!

 

[gnasher729]

but can you rotate your entire monitor? (physically and softwarewise)

your display resolution instead of 1920x1080, you will have 1080x1920, dell monitor stands allow you to have it both ways, some samsung LCd's even have a sensor and software to go with it and will auto rotate when you flip your monitor.

Physically? Depends on the monitor.
Software? Yes, unless the OS _knows_ that it is a monitor that cannot be rotated physically, you can rotate it in System Preferences.

 

[peterdevries]

And I know several musicians, with actual recording contracts, who laugh at those who suggest they use Macs with Logic Pro.

That doesn't mean much when even Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan can get actual recording contracts..

Although they both probably use macs, because they match their pink swarovski studded iPods.

 

[oliverbelfield]

Hmm...

Ummm, why would you want to attract flies

I think that Microsoft has failed with this series of ads. They don't keep your attention, they're not interesting, and they don't explain why the heck the people in the commercial get handed a wad of cash at the end of the commercial. I wish Microsoft would let me try this... even though they would tell me it couldn't be a mac, I would just get a crapwad running linux, sell it on ebay and get CASH to spend on a Mac!!!! WOOOO!!!!!
SG

The reason they hand them cash at the end is because they couldn't persuade anyone to actually buy a PC when they could buy a mac with slightly less space or power for the same price. Once again Microsoft has FAILED.

 

[zabbadoo]

Isn't that a bit of a childish remark? No wonder PC users see us as snobbish.

They are jealous of my gorgeous Mac, that's why.

 

[Rob0711]

Apple Fans + Apple Haters = Lots More Page Views

and all thost numbers eventually end up in a marketing spreadsheet where the agency tells their employers how effective the new campaign was. and how many back switchers it generated. thus making them get money to do some more stuff and so on yadda yadda yadda. (what was that about ms wasting money they could or should invest somewhere else ?) i wonder which type of ad will be the next (not the next laptop hunter, but the next type of ad. since this already is their third ad campaign) . any speculation on that ?

 

[DELLsFan]

You get more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Yes, but if you pull their wings off, they'll eat whatever you give them.

 

[Michael CM1]

I like Macs and all, but as for the spokesperson saying the machines are better, it depends on the configurations. Then as for actually being better, that's personal preference.

I think the spokesman was trying to convey that comparable Macs are better than comparable PCs. It's hard to really compare similar machines, but I have to agree with him from my experience. My mom's newer Vista-running Dell seems no better than my MacBook Pro. I like how the box has ports and a card reader on the front, but that's just a customization thing. You can probably add that on a Mac Pro.

The main drawback I see with Macs is there is no mid-level expandable tower. If you're an ubergeek who loves to add 8 hard drives and 13 video cards to a computer, that's what you want. Mac OS can probably support all of that stuff, but the hardware can't unless you spend nearly $3,000.

But back to the main point, I can easily tell that Macs are "pound for pound" better machines. It's hard to argue with someone who will buy the absolute cheapest computer available about the choice, but this thing just runs too well to complain. The customer service I have received is also way above any other company.

 

[Greenbook]

Don't forget that Windows also has more than half a decade of pre-emptive multi-tasking experience under its belt. Apple had that lovely "co-operative" multi-tasking gong on in Mac OS up until OS X was released. That couldn't have been fun at all.

Don't forget that Mac OS X didn't just appear out of thin air. Perhaps you should familiarise your self with NeXTSTEP

This is a good article too

 

[rangnar]

Oh! That Hesseldahl

Who states that Apples is selling a 17 inch display with 1920 by 1440 resolution. Yes, great work. Sure a graduated, highly qualified journalist.

BTW: Apple isn't good enough. Gold plated unibody would increase the value of the laptop. And a diamond coated display would protect from scratches. That can't be too expensive reflecting the benefit. Please don't count on liquid matel cooling, too cheap. Let's face the truth, liquid printer ink cooling would make the different because printer ink is even more expensive as gold!

Not yet done! No question, the real boost only comes in form of an original etching of a famous artist on the outer parts of the MacBook. Which expresses the inner world of the MacBook owner to the outside.

Those standard Mac OS X backgrounds and sounds are to be customized, too. Yes personalized by your favourite music artist with a personal touch.

The cheap MacBook already offered are already too close to art to use them as ordinary computers to do computations. Please bring them to a museum near you or put them on display as they are.

 

[Macmel]

It IS odd that Microsoft is saying that Macs are cool right in their own ads.

Really, that's the best they can do? Tell people that the other company is "cool" and hope that that somehow makes people like you more? No wonder Apple PR made a rare public quote on this one. They're being served softballs.

Mac is not just the other company. Most Mac users have Windows installed in their computers. It's just they prefer to promote PC sales because in PCs they are the only OS. But they don't want to trash completely Macs: they still sell Office for Mac and Windows, etc.

 

[philips]

Actually, PC users started it. All of the Mac users I've see are innocent people and then there's the PC fanboys always [first to] pick on Mac users and how they suck. I haven't heard one good reason about why Macs suck from any PC fanboy. Oh and saying Macs suck because it just does is not a reason at all, much less a good one.

I don't hate PCs generally, but seeing extreme [PC] fanboys being really biased kind of pisses me off. My friend who has an Alienware computer boasted how his 6K gaming machine can beat a Mac Mini and how [Alienware] supposedly cheaper... (???)

WARNING: Bad car anology. Imagine that you have a Ford Fiesta and your neighbor has BMW 7. What would you feel? I had an exemplary friend who was cursing his neighbor BMW as overpriced *CENSORED*. Until he got a better job and bought himself a BMW too. As you can guess, his tune about BMWs took U turn too.

I guess some people who are confined to buying commodity goods, would always feel uneasy about those who buy higher-end goods.

I bet everybody once in a while feels a need to find a justification on why something in our life isn't as good as in other's lives.

 

[Rob0711]

Who states that Apples is selling a 17 inch display with 1920 by 1440 resolution. Yes, great work. Sure a graduated, highly qualified journalist.

BTW: Apple isn't good enough. Gold plated unibody would increase the value of the laptop. And a diamond coated display would protect from scratches. That can't be too expensive reflecting the benefit. Please don't count on liquid matel cooling, too cheap. Let's face the truth, liquid printer ink cooling would make the different because printer ink is even more expensive as gold!

Not yet done! No question, the real boost only comes in form of an original etching of a famous artist on the outer parts of the MacBook. Which expresses the inner world of the MacBook owner to the outside.

Those standard Mac OS X backgrounds and sounds are to be customized, too. Yes personalized by your favourite music artist with a personal touch.

The cheap MacBook already offered are already too close to art to use them as ordinary computers to do computations. Please bring them to a museum near you or put them on display as they are.

now that´s an intelligent and qualified comment keep it rolling

 

[Rob0711]

Mac is not just the other company. Most Mac users have Windows installed in their computers. It's just they prefer to promote PC sales because in PCs they are the only OS. But they don't want to trash completely Macs: they still sell Office for Mac and Windows, etc.

actually i know pretty few who do. most of the ones who do are web developers who need to run tests on an ie.