Apple Comments on Microsoft's Laptop Hunter Ads

[dwl017]

Isn't that a bit of a childish remark? No wonder PC users see us as snobbish.

You have to remember that many of the posters here at MR are nothing more than adolescent children. I set the bar very low when reading comments here and take all of them with a grain of salt.

 

[NT1440]

Wow this response is chock full of irony.

Macs essentially require Windows to be installed to get full functionality out of the hardware. You need it if you want to do anything other than syncing your iDevice or playing with your pictures in iPhoto. Everything "real" requires Windows, and those things you can do in OS X aren't guaranteed to be compatible with their Windows counterparts, so you still need Windows to guarantee compatibility with real world work.

What exactly do you consider "real" ?

 

[Digital Skunk]

...So going by Apple's own logic, Macs are terrible values at any price because you can't do what you want with them, and what you can do with them requires a secondary OS be installed for full functionality.

no comment....

Does someone else wanna take this one.

 

[NT1440]

no comment....

Does someone else wanna take this one.

Can't deal with something so heavily sided. How many people using macs really give a damn about their ability to playback high quality audio on bluray, when the majority of people don't know an mp4 file from an mp3.

 

[ziggyonice]

Wow this response is chock full of irony.

Macs essentially require Windows to be installed to get full functionality out of the hardware. You need it if you want to do anything other than syncing your iDevice or playing with your pictures in iPhoto. Everything "real" requires Windows, and those things you can do in OS X aren't guaranteed to be compatible with their Windows counterparts, so you still need Windows to guarantee compatibility with real world work.

I am baffled by your comment. I don't even know how to respond.

You say "everything 'real' requires Windows". What are you talking about?! What is "real" that you cannot do with a Mac? The only thing you mention is gaming, which yes, often requires Windows. But if anything, that's as far from your "real world work" as you can get!

 

[Anuba]

Actually it can. Each Mac sale is also an OS X sale.

Well sure, but this isn't a counter-argument to what I said. I never said a Mac sale isn't also an OS X sale.

The poster I responded to asked why Microsoft was running these ads when they don't even make hardware, and I responded that even though they technically don't make the hardware, it's still "their" market share that's at stake in the OS X vs Windows wars. If Mac takes a larger market share, OS X also increases its market share (as you pointed out)... and since this is pretty much a zero sum game, one more Mac sold usually means one less PC sold, which usually means one less copy of Windows sold. So they're trying to dissuade people from considering Macs, in order to protect the Windows marketshare. I don't see why it's so puzzling to some that Microsoft use third party hardware as leverage.

 

[Digital Skunk]

I am baffled by your comment. I don't even know how to respond.

You say "everything 'real' requires Windows". What are you talking about?! What is "real" that you cannot do with a Mac?

Usually mosx says some good debatable stuff, but this one is off the wall.

Especially when he/she says that you have to install Windows as well as Mac OS X to get things done.

I get you ANUBA. As was stated before, it's not like Windows can do the same ad with just standalone copies of the OS.

 

[applecultvictim]

Yes, getting that mini tower desktop would be worth it. Upgrading the GFX card on even a $1400 Mac would be wonderful.

And we aren't homophobes or taking any cheap shots at them. It was just outta taste. If you want the issue to stop completely, don't call us homophobes.

As for the perennial expandability issue/myth with the macs I don't get it why you would want to upgrade the gfx card to begin with? If you are not satisfied with your machine and don't want to be using it for the next 4 or so years then why buy it in the fist place? By the time these 4 years come the techonology from everything from cpu to ram speeds to drives (which you CAN update) to screen will have changed sooo much that your upgrade will not be a rational choice to go put a brand you gfx card to four year old machine. I challenge you go find a wintel 4 year old machine and put that gfx card in and see if it makes any difference, do it even on a three year old...this doesn't make sense, it's more illogical than your homophobia.

expandable towers for consumers (not the mac pro towers) are for heavy modders who just want as a hobby to keep expanding/changing etc. everything per yearly basis or so, game etc, so they are far better served with whatever crapware ms has out than os x, and maybe the linuxes, why should apple bother with that crowd, their all in one strategy is flawless imo.

 

[Digital Skunk]

As for the perennial expandability issue/myth with the macs I don't get it why you would want to upgrade the gfx card to begin with? If you are not satisfied with your machine and don't want to be using it for the next 4 or so years then why buy it in the fist place? By the time these 4 years come the techonology from everything from cpu to ram speeds to drives (which you CAN update) to screen will have changed sooo much that your upgrade will not be a rational choice to go put a brand you gfx card to four year old machine. I challenge you go find a wintel 4 year old machine and put that gfx card in and see if it makes any difference, do it even on a three year old...this doesn't make sense, it's more illogical than your homophobia.

Why the hostility? GEEZE pal!

First off, my 4 year old G5 has two ACDs attached to it that will go along with the Mac Pro, so yes, you can keep 4 years old tech with those machines.

Second, I was talking about games which require more from the GFX card than anything.

Third, what's with FOUR years. I am talking the second year or 6 months. When Crysis was released it put to task cards that were barely on the market.

Please stop with the homophobe thing. You wouldn't want me to go around calling you a bigot, or a racist sexist pig... so just drop it without calling me or anyone else a homophobe in the process.

 

[Anuba]

Usually mosx says some good debatable stuff, but this one is off the wall.

Especially when he/she says that you have to install Windows as well as Mac OS X to get things done.

You can obviously get a lot of things done on both, since pretty much all manner of third party productivity software is available for both. Office, Creative Suite and all that stuff. Since gaming is the polar opposite of getting things done, I suppose we've narrowed it down to work-critical software that isn't available for the OS X platform. Or...?

Please stop with the homophobe thing. You wouldn't want me to go around calling you a bigot, or a racist sexist pig... so just drop it without calling me or anyone else a homophobe in the process.

Seconded, err, can we please not do the gratuitous playing of the homophobia card? Save it for some time when it stands a chance of making at least a grain of sense. I mean, wow, talk about left field.

 

[Rob0711]

Did you read the note? The ads have generated over 6000 comments on this website alone!

If people are discussing it this much here, just imagine how much discussion there is all over the web and in the world about the ads. They have been immensely successful.

sorry for commenting on that one so late. still in all (3 or 4) threads, the least comments were actually about the ads. the rest was comparing cars, clothing and just senseless bashing. so all the ads did was revitalize the oldschool mac vs. pc bashing like it happened in earlier days. i´d rather turn the stick around and say that they had the exact opposite effect, by making windows users become new macrumors members. though many came here for advice and because they need a forum to express their belief. still they ended up here. which is after all a first step and as most of us know. the first step is the hardest. so welcome home

 

[DMann]

no comment....

Does someone else wanna take this one.

Aside from Photoshop 64 being unable to work with two monitors, (making it unusable for many) Windows inablity to run Final Cut Studio, which is far superior to Adobe CS - Premier, and Windows inability to run Logic Pro, which is superior to Protools (which Mac runs very well) in regard to MIDI and synth mixing, Windows does not function reliably enough to be considered when running several apps at once - no Windows install necessary, nor wanted.

 

[KnightWRX]

I am baffled by your comment. I don't even know how to respond.

You say "everything 'real' requires Windows". What are you talking about?! What is "real" that you cannot do with a Mac? The only thing you mention is gaming, which yes, often requires Windows. But if anything, that's as far from your "real world work" as you can get!

I'm gaming on my PS3 all the time. It's not running Windows.

 

[applecultvictim]

Why the hostility? GEEZE pal!

First off, my 4 year old G5 has two ACDs attached to it that will go along with the Mac Pro, so yes, you can keep 4 years old tech with those machines.

Second, I was talking about games which require more from the GFX card than anything.

Third, what's with FOUR years. I am talking the second year or 6 months. When Crysis was released it put to task cards that were barely on the market.

Please stop with the homophobe thing. You wouldn't want me to go around calling you a bigot, or a racist sexist pig... so just drop it without calling me or anyone else a homophobe in the process.

I didn't call you pig or a racist or anything and I am having a civil discussion with you. I just noted some homophobic tendencies in your previous posts, don't act as if you are victimized here...

Well if you have a mac pro, then of course they are expandable and of course they can keep four year old tech, so you have what you want. So what is your claim then? I refered to your claiming you want an expandable $1400 computer and that can't happen for the reasons I mentioned above, and now you switched gears to a mac pro? It's confusing...

Like I said if you want go game go get a wintel tower or stick with the mac pro, apple never said they would cater to the gaming crowd and they would make sure their computers should be per six months upgradable for whatever crazy game comes along that wants to use everything to the tilt. But even so, if yo can afford it you still CAN go for the mac pro and be sorted for the coming 5 years....I really don't see what you are asking from apple here...

 

[Digital Skunk]

Aside from Photoshop 64 being unable to work with two monitors, (making it unusable for many) Windows inablity to run Final Cut Studio, which is far superior to Adobe CS - Premier, and Windows inability to run Logic Pro, which is superior to Protools (which Mac runs very well) in regard to MIDI and synth mixing, Windows does not function reliably enough to be considered when running several apps at once - no Windows install necessary, nor wanted.

This basically sums it up.

The part that made me double take was the apps mosx listed. They all run on both platforms. After that it's just a matter of hardware IMHO, leading me back to my original statement.

Give me Mac OSX on the PC hardware.... in which case i will do some research into the EFI-X thing.

On a personal note, I rather like Premier, and the only thing holding FCStudio back is DVD Studio Pro and Color.

 

[JGowan]

Wondering something…

Help, O Wise Ones!

The 2nd ad (I think) was a guy that basically said that Apple's laptops were all about style/looks and not about power...

I recently bought my wife the top tier MacBook Pro 15" (BTO: 2.93GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor; 320GB @ 7200rpm HD; 4GB Ram) -- how much better is the best PC laptops, really? This is not a rhetorical question... I honestly don't know and would like to hear from you who are more in the know than me, your average Mac user.

 

[Digital Skunk]

...

I never mentioned the Mac Pro.

Okay, not gaming, how about After Effects.....

You know what.... nevermind.

 

[polaris20]

Wow this response is chock full of irony.

Macs essentially require Windows to be installed to get full functionality out of the hardware. You need it if you want to do anything other than syncing your iDevice or playing with your pictures in iPhoto. Everything "real" requires Windows, and those things you can do in OS X aren't guaranteed to be compatible with their Windows counterparts, so you still need Windows to guarantee compatibility with real world work.

Macs certainly can't do everything people want. They can't play blu-ray movies without a lot of additional and costly hardware, even when they can play blu-ray movies they can't playback the high end audio formats. They can't play games adequately. When it comes to music, the choices for audio hardware are extremely limited. Theres no 64-bit version of Photoshop on OS X, so they're no longer the platform of choice for Photoshop users.

So going by Apple's own logic, Macs are terrible values at any price because you can't do what you want with them, and what you can do with them requires a secondary OS be installed for full functionality.

Full of misinformation as usual. Macs can't do "real work", which you shortly follow with bluray, games, and music. What field did you say you worked in? I forgot.

 

[Ubuntu]

I think if Apple's response was true, the mac market % would be a lot bigger.

 

[applecultvictim]

First off, my 4 year old G5 has two ACDs attached to it that will go along with the Mac Pro, so yes, you can keep 4 years old tech with those machines.

Second, I was talking about games which require more from the GFX card than anything.

Third, what's with FOUR years. I am talking the second year or 6 months. When Crysis was released it put to task cards that were barely on the market.

I never mentioned the Mac Pro.
Okay, not gaming, how about After Effects.....
You know what.... nevermind.

Ok, sort it out youself first and then come back with something coherent...or get that dongle at least so you can stop whining, a lot of people have it and they find it useful to run os x on their wintel towers so you can keep upgrading graphics cards every six months.

Btw, I consider the face palm picture very offensive, at least I posted a literary novel.

 

[-hh]

True, but where the PC still reigns is in customization and plethora of options...

That's true: one can get
mouse poop,
rabbit poop,
cat poop,
dog poop,
big dog poop,
donkey poop,
horse poop,
zebra poop,
lion poop,
camel poop,
cow poop,
giraffe poop,
buffalo poop,
elephant poop,
&
whale poop.

Just consider yourself lucky that I didn't provide "...twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was..."

-hh

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— Chapter 5, "The Paradox of Choice", 2004

 

[MattInOz]

This type of childish rivalry wasn't even a factor before Jobs came along. Commodore 64 users didn't gang up on Sinclair Spectrum users, Spectrum users didn't taunt Texas Instruments TI/99 users. The Mac community (with Jobs cheerleading in the background) started the whole hatin'-on-another-platform tradition, the Linux community joined in later.

Ummm... I want to move to where you live, or grow up.
C64 kids did pick on everyone else round my way, and oldely every one i've ever spoken too seems to agree.

And they all had Vic 20's* before that. It's funny all the kids who got to use ][e's and most of the machines other that the C64's where using a computer had for work. In contrast the C64 was a "family" computer.

That is when the battle line was drawn. Play vs Tool. It hasn't really changed.

*i'm old my memory is fading so model number may be wrong, but the pain is still fresh.

 

[DMann]

Wow this response is chock full of irony...

Full of misinformation as usual. Macs can't do "real work", which you shortly follow with bluray, games, and music. What field did you say you worked in? I forgot.

Seems that this very post was chock full of irony.

 

[iSamurai]

now apple should just put out an ad to own those microsoft ads...


microsoft don't even make computers (okay, they make keyboards, mice) and they're busy ripping off how expensive apple's stuffs are. why don't m$ get their software right in the 1st place and then compare? ive used windows from 3.1 to vista and i've had enough when everything just kept crashing while i try to do my primary/high school homework... and now it's mac for uni

 

[Goona]

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