Apple Confirms Google Gemini Will Power Next-Generation Siri This Year

[Oestreich Dieter]

Why are people complaining? If this makes siri live up to its potential, then that's all that matters. Who cares what tech is under the hood. 99.99% of iPhone owners dont read reddit, this site or any other tech blog....they dont care that gemini is powering siri and if you told them, they'd say, "ok, and?"

And it's already been said these models will be on device and on Apple's own private cloud compute, its not going back to google. So everyone just relax. We are finally getting a functional Siri, isnt that what you want?

 

[zorinlynx]

Everyone I know who has an Android phone has been complaining about how Gemini doesn't work reliably. It might work for a particular command today, but then totally botch the same exact command next week. It's unstable garbage.

Why is Apple doing this? Do people really want this?

 

[mozumder]

Embarrassing that a company as large as Apple couldn't develop their own competitive SOTA LLM from scratch.

 

[DavidLeblond]

Even if they finagle a way for Google not to take all your data, isn't Gemini ... bad? I mean I know the Google AI Overview is terrible and I assume Gemini is the same thing, right?

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Everyone I know who has an Android phone has been complaining about how Gemini doesn't work reliably. It might work for a particular command today, but then totally botch the same exact command next week. It's unstable garbage.

Why is Apple doing this? Do people really want this?

We have Google home device (nest speakers, I guess) and Gemini is..fine..for a few things. I use it in the kitchen for conversions and a few other things.

Wife has it on her Pixel but keeps it disabled.

 

[MadDog31]

Why are people complaining? If this makes siri live up to its potential, then that's all that matters. Who cares what tech is under the hood. 99.99% of iPhone owners dont read reddit, this site or any other tech blog....they dont care that gemini is powering siri and if you told them, they'd say, "ok, and?"

And it's already been said these models will be on device and on Apple's own private cloud compute, its not going back to google. So everyone just relax. We are finally getting a functional Siri, isnt that what you want?

But what would people complain about then?

 

[itsalexclark]

Exactly the same as when Google search became the default search 20 years ago knocking out all the other search engines. This will be for another 20 years.

That’s exactly what i was thinking. They finally got in legal trouble over search and now this is just replacing it

 

[WB2Colorado]

Alex, I'll take "Headlines one never would have read under Steve Jobs" for $2 Trillion.

iOS had Google Maps and YouTube installed by default for the first 5 years I don’t see how this is any different.

 

[spaxxedout]

It's crazy how the physical Siri button and the persistent-listening for "Hey Siri" could easily just be a toggle switch in settings to point to competing models, but the fact it's not makes Apple billions of dollars. That and gatekeeping shortcut's API will make moat pretty deep.

It's the right decision. I'm just curious if the edge / private cloud compute handoff is going to work the same. This level of integration should allow more preprocessing on the phones. So many unused petaflops walking around idle in people's pockets.

 

[sw1tcher]

Embarrassing that a company as large as Apple couldn't develop their own competitive SOTA LLM from scratch.

I'm thinking too many top talent at Apple got hired away by competitors and that affected Apple's A.I. development

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[djc6]

Siri was introduced 15 years ago!! And I feel it hasn't improved much since then. At least someone realized Apple couldn't fix it.

I only use Siri for "Hey Siri, open google assistant" - and google assistant's microphone comes up by default so then I can get my questions answered while driving.

 

[It’s always something]

Privacy was supposedly a big issue for Apple Intelligence. Are they throwing in the towel?

 

[WarmWinterHat]

iOS had Google Maps and YouTube installed by default for the first 5 years I don’t see how this is any different.

Preinstalled and unremovable.

I'm thinking too many top talent at Apple got hired away by competitors and that affected Apple's A.I. development

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Meta Platforms Inc. hired a pair of key artificial intelligence researchers who worked at Apple Inc., shortly after poaching their former boss from the iPhone maker.

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Meta has just poached Apple's lead for a new AI search product.

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They were too busy farting around with Vision Pro and missed the boat.

 

[Oestreich Dieter]

But what would people complain about then?

great point, if history of this forum is any guide, they will easily find something new to complain about

 

[carswell]

Can't wait to turn it off.
Oh, wait. Not upgrading to Liquid Glass means I won't be able to. Sad!

 

[breather]

Will Apple Pay Google for this or will Google pay Apple for this?
If Google pays, what do they get in return?

 

[CyberGene]

It has been repeatedly mentioned that it will utilize the Gemini model (trained by Google), but since it will operate within Apple’s data centers, user interactions will remain within Apple’s ecosystem. Therefore, the concerns raised by other posters above seem unnecessary to me.

By the way, I’ve been avoiding anything Google for years now, as many others have. However, we started using Gemini at work, and I was so impressed with it that I just said “f*ck it, I need this on my personal iPhone too!”. I’ve been using it for a month now, subscribed to the lowest-priced tier, and I’m extremely happy with it. I’m glad Apple made the decision to use it; it’s the right choice.

 

[kagharaht]

I will definitely turn off anything that has to do with Siri.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Alex, I'll take "Headlines one never would have read under Steve Jobs" for $2 Trillion.

At the time of Steve Jobs resignation from Apple, the iPhone included…
Google as the default search engine.
Google maps as the default mapping application.
Google YouTube built-in.
Yahoo Weather and Stocks data.

The person pushing for every single built-in service on Apple devices to be Apple owned… Has been Tim.
Google CEO at the time literally had like a 10 minute spot at the original iPhone keynote to talk about how great their partnership with Apple is

 

[gadgetmonster]

Apple: many many of us don’t care about ai or Siri. Ai is off and I don’t want it. Focus on the hardware and iOS.

 

[mlayer]

When you add in the recent 2025 news of Apple paying only $1B a year for the white box Gemini implementation and Google not getting raked over the coals by the DOJ, both companies are sitting pretty right now. If they had struck their deal two years ago there's a good chance it wouldn't have passed muster with the US gov't. Both companies stumbled in their own ways: Google got caught flat-footed by OpenAI and Apple had the completely wrong strategy for at least two years. So they stumbled into a good deal for both. If they were smaller entities or startups they probably wouldn't have survived. Dominant market share is nice sometimes.

 

[roklanhavok]

It's hard to understand right now whether it's super important for Apple to have their own thing. Is Apple and AI company? Does everyone have to be?

 

[Falco McGregor]

Insular MacRumors crowd has tantrum/melt down; rest of Apple userbase shrugs and enjoys more functional Siri.

Yep. 99% of users won’t care what’s under the hood. They just want a functional and smart implementation of technologies that improve the user experience (a functional Siri fist and foremost).

 

[cateye]

Why are people complaining?

Because people have a huge emotional investment in Apple exceptionalism. Any suggestion that Apple has had to be pragmatic when solving a complex problem by partnering with other companies rattles that precious little construct.

Notice how the boilerplate response lately is always "well, Apple should do [x] themselves, then." Which is unmoored from the reality of how increasingly deep and wide challenges are solved. Apple gave Nü Siri the ol' college try. It went nowhere. If anything, they should've realized it was a lost cause far earlier.

More broadly, Apple in general lately waits far too long to abandon stupid or failed ideas. The advantage of their deep, deep pockets is not pouring endless money on go-nowhere efforts, but rather the freedom to walk away and use someone else's better ideas instead.

 

[AirunJae]

Probably a finally working Siri ahead?! Thanks Google! 😶

We shall see. My Home Hub used to work fine for asking Google to play a playlist on Apple Music, and the other night I tried asking for the same playlist but with the "updated" Gemini, and it kept giving me the wrong thing.