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It was a bad idea from start.
iMac should have stayed iMac,no Pro nonsense.

Consistently named upswell model that is slightly nicer than the average offering, you can’t argue this wouldn’t work in other Apple products.
 
They sell these separately now.

Yes I know this. But they were originally an iMac Pro exclusive so I’m wondering if - by discontinuing the iMac Pro - will Apple stop making black versions and people with iMac Pros will just have to buy standard white versions if their black ones break ? Or will Apple continue to make and sell black ones once the iMac Pro has gone
 
We have several hundred PCs in the shop as well. Guess how many of them have upgraded graphics cards? Zero. It doesn’t make financial sense for the business. By the time one component is really ready for upgrade, usually the rest of the machine is due for an upgrade as well.
Upgrades are mostly for power users with special needs. If you have a corporate PC managed by the IT department, there are probably processes in place for replacing it smoothly. In contrast, if you are a power user with root access to a system the IT department is not allowed to touch, there may be extensive customizations that cannot be easily transferred to a new system. Upgrading such systems often makes financial sense, because replacing them would force you to spend plenty of time for nonproductive purposes.

Sometimes the system also needs to be upgraded while it's still new. Maybe the IT department bought a bunch of standard PCs, but some users have special needs that cannot always be known in advance.

Switching to the home front, I built a PC for gaming 4 years ago. Today, the GRFX card is showing some age. But why spend $1-1.5k on a new card when the CPU, ram, and IO are all also ready for updates. Even the monitor will be updated to take advantage of higher FPS 4K that wasn’t possible 4 years ago. The only component I hope to reuse will be the case.
I also built a gaming PC 4 years ago. Back then, large SSDs were expensive, so I chose a small SSD and a large HDD. A few months ago, I finally replaced the HDD with a 2 TB SSD for $250, which had a huge impact on loading times. I also expected to replace the GPU with a $500 model that would have been several times faster than the old one. Unfortunately the global component shortage still persists and GPUs are at least 2x more expensive than usual. There is little point in replacing the CPU, RAM, and display at the moment, because new ones are not that much better than the ones I bought 4 years ago.
 
M1 is the future of course, but I am starting to think that Apple should develop more pro apps of their own such as logic and FCP to fill instances where developers are not particularly aggressive in supporting the platform. That’s their own design suite, photo editing, CAD, architecture, 3D printing slicing among a few places where there is a space to fill and make sure every use case is always covered natively without having to wait or be held back by developers.
That’s my only concern right now in buying an m1 Mac and waiting for the Adobe suite and pro apps in the above listed categories.
Who can trust apple software after what they did with shake and aperture?
 
Odd that they would ditch it now that they can actually put some horsepower into it with their own processors. That said, the regular iMac with Apple Silicon would be hard to differentiate from this unless they crippled it, or reduced items like memory and storage in the Standard iMac to make the Pro look better.

Maybe they don’t want to develop that many Mac cpus at any given time and decided to just have one really Pro desktop offering.
 
I had a 2017 iMac Pro 8 core and loved it. It is likely that the upcoming Apple Silicon iMacs will probably be so powerful, that Apple had to remove the Imac Pro line from being sold. Apple is likely trying to get away from buying any more chops from Intel, especially since Intel has started their negative marketing toward Macs now.
 
Odd that they would ditch it now that they can actually put some horsepower into it with their own processors. That said, the regular iMac with Apple Silicon would be hard to differentiate from this unless they crippled it, or reduced items like memory and storage in the Standard iMac to make the Pro look better.
If they decide to do an Apple Silicon iMac Pro, I would expect it to use the new design language (so something that looks closer to the Pro XDR display), and have 10Gb/s Ethernet (maybe even a 40Gb/s option) and more Thunderbolt 4/USB4 ports/busses. No need to down grade the standard Apple Silicon iMac when there are lots of things that can be added that would not be used/needed by a regular user/iMac.
 
It doesn’t bode well for intel that Apple can beat their low TDP chips and compete with the higher TDP desktop and server chips. And all on their first notebook chip out of the gate (Not to mention GPU performance). It’s going to be quite exciting to see how far Apple can push the performance with higher TDP silicon and more cores in their desktop offerings.
 
Who can trust apple software after what they did with shake and aperture?
Millions of people do. Millions of people don't.

Trust is a funny word. Do you trust google? Their products die all the time. What do you do when your washing machine is discontinued? Cry?

The fact is, discontinued products work for years. That's more than enough time to find a replacement. And if you don't want to move off, then don't. You can convert those HEIC files to JPEG if you'd like.

People are turning into blathering whiners. "I can't use my copy of MacPaint on my M1*." Boo hoo.

* in fact, you can run MacPaint on your M1 soon, when basilisk is done.
 
The Mac Pro always struck me as a weird animal. Powerful, yes, but the "Pro" name felt more like marketing than anything else. What's unfortunate about having Pro and non-Pro products is that some customers believe that the non-Pro counterpart is "underpowered", which is never the case.
It kinda makes sense to me considering that yes, the iMac Pro was intended to appeal to "pro" users who need a more powerful Mac than even the most powerful iMac at the time could offer. Reviews at the time were pretty favourable towards it. Inability to upgrade the internal ram, and a couple of poor customer support experiences aside, it was capable of handling the workflows of pretty much everyone, except the 0.1% of users who will need something more (aka the Mac Pro).

By all comparisons, it seems that you can get an iMac Pro for cheaper than an equivalently-specced Mac Pro, and you get a free monitor to boot in a compact form factor (assuming you are fine with a 5k display and care about space savings).

It does make me wonder if Apple has always intended for the iMac Pro to replace the Mac Pro, but walked back on their decision after seeing the backlash from the Pro community.
 
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I would have thought they'd retool it with a souped-up M2 processor. But maybe it just didn't sell that well.
Moving to Apple Silicon means there's not going to be real differences in CPU across Apple's lineup. We already see it now - the M1 Air and Pro aren't much different.

It doesn't make any sense for Apple to make special "Pro" chips - they'd be such low volume.
 
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. . . the regular iMac with Apple Silicon would be hard to differentiate from this unless they crippled it, or reduced items like memory and storage in the Standard iMac to make the Pro look better.

Oh gee golly gosh, not even Apple would do such a thing! 😗 😉
 
While I don’t know how the 5700 video card compares to the Vega or the Xeon vs 10th gen i9, a similarly configured iMac is $3899 vs the $4999 for the stock iMac Pro. I don’t know if the Pro has “nano texture” glass or not though. So that would up the iMac to $4399.
 
M1 is the future of course, but I am starting to think that Apple should develop more pro apps of their own such as logic and FCP to fill instances where developers are not particularly aggressive in supporting the platform. That’s their own design suite, photo editing, CAD, architecture, 3D printing slicing among a few places where there is a space to fill and make sure every use case is always covered natively without having to wait or be held back by developers.
That’s my only concern right now in buying an m1 Mac and waiting for the Adobe suite and pro apps in the above listed categories.

Lack of software seems like a number one reason to not go with M1 but in fact it's reason number two cause it will come out eventually, within two years would be my guess. Reason number one to stay away from M1 if you are power user is Apple's slow response time to deal with bugs in Big Sur, the thing is just unreliable at this point unless you're a web/office type of user. Reminds me of Threadripper a bit, great powerful CPU with horrible IO.
 
We have several hundred PCs in the shop as well. Guess how many of them have upgraded graphics cards? Zero. It doesn’t make financial sense for the business. By the time one component is really ready for upgrade, usually the rest of the machine is due for an upgrade as well.

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Up with big business, down with individuals. Just the way Cook wants it.
 
I never liked the iMac series, never mind the iMac Pro. Too limited, too noisy. An update just to M1 CPUs won't solve many of its practicality and upgradeability issues.

The cylindrical Mac Pro on the other hand was a missed opportunity by Apple due to bad choice of CPU/RAM/GPU which led to bad pricing, lack of b2o/upgrade options, and lack of support and hardware model updates.

What many of us need and want is a modular productivity/creativity desktop computer that does not have an attached screen to it and is better than a Mac Mini, both in performance and user/manufacturer upgradeability. I couldn't care less about dozens of PCI slots or 3.5" HDDs but I am not buying anything that comes with soldered RAM and storage.
 
I never liked the iMac series, never mind the iMac Pro. Too limited, too noisy. An update just to M1 CPUs won't solve many of its practicality and upgradeability issues.

The cylindrical Mac Pro on the other hand was a missed opportunity by Apple due to bad choice of CPU/RAM/GPU which led to bad pricing, lack of b2o/upgrade options, and lack of support and hardware model updates.

What many of us need and want is a modular productivity/creativity desktop computer that does not have an attached screen to it and is better than a Mac Mini, both in performance and user/manufacturer upgradeability. I couldn't care less about dozens of PCI slots or 3.5" HDDs but I am not buying anything that comes with soldered RAM and storage.
this!

thank you!
 
I have an imac Pro that I bought last summer (10 core,32GB RAM,1TB) and I love it.

I have a youtube channel about cars & tech (check it out! Maybe subscribe!) and that iMac Pro has been amazing for editing and creating videos.

I knew when I bought it that it would be replaced probably within a year but it is (despite the cost) the best computer I have ever had!

I also picked up an M1 MacBook Pro (16GB RAM,1TB) in November and although that IS VERY FAST the iMac Pro is still faster.

(However the M1 Macbook Pro is able to handle most of what the iMac Pro can; which is a massive improvement over my old intel macbook pro which could barely open Final Cut Pro despite being the i7 with 16GB RAM).
 
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