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The new low is under $2,000. The middle is between $2,000-3,000. The high end will start at $3,000 and top off at $5,000 or more.
Low end is M1 speed. Middle is able to just beat out top end chips on the market. High end will be industry leading speed.
If they don’t have industry leading speed they can’t justify price hikes across the board. But if they do have the goods, hold on to your wallets.

they want to sell $3,000 iMacs to people who buy $500 headphones and $4,000 laptops.
 
What many of us need and want is a modular productivity/creativity desktop computer that does not have an attached screen to it and is better than a Mac Mini, both in performance and user/manufacturer upgradeability. I couldn't care less about dozens of PCI slots or 3.5" HDDs but I am not buying anything that comes with soldered RAM and storage.
By us, you mean the "pro" community, which makes up a small proportion of the overall Mac user base. And I say this in air brackets for a reason.

I am aware of the rumours, but I am still not convinced Apple will release a mid-tier headless Mac, and I am even less convinced that creating one is justified. The iMac is going to be more than enough to meeting the computing needs for the majority of desktop Mac users. It has a gorgeous display (probably better than 90% of the monitors that people are going to buy anyways), is easy to set up, takes up fairly little desk space, is fairly quiet, and the fact that its ram and storage can't be easily accessed and upgraded is just not going to matter to many people.

In short, it's the epitome of Apple's design-led culture when it comes to the Mac.

If I were to look at this issue from Apple's perspective, I would argue that a mid-tier modular Mac doesn't make sense, for the exact same reasons you want one. The uproar over the price of the Mac Pro has further confirmed my long-held suspicions as well.

Take away the desire to use your own widescreen monitor. Take away the desire to upgrade the ram and SSD yourself after the purchase to save a few bucks. You basically have the Mac user which Apple has little interest in serving, both because it's already a fairly small market, and because well, margins.

It's becoming increasingly clear that a lot of the perceived demand for a "pro Mac" was really borne out of a desire for a "hobbyist" Mac, ie: one that you could open up and tinker around with. In the past, these two terms could still be conflated, when even the most powerful PCs were barely adequate for "real work".

But over time, as technology improved more rapidly than computing needs, standard off-the-shelf PCs became more than capable of meeting the needs for 99% of computer work, even for heavy users. But what frustrated the latter wasn't performance, but that these PCs came in sealed, untinkerable boxes.

The Mac mini is there for people who want to dip their toes in the Apple ecosystem. The Mac Pro is there for people with computing needs more intense than even the iMac Pro is capable of handling. The iMac is the general purpose desktop Mac for the masses, and if they didn't run out and purchase an iMac Pro on Day 1 out of sheer need, they don't need one now, and they most certainly don't need a Mac Pro.

But with Jony Ive out, who knows.
 
It’s a shame to lose the space grey case - but it makes the idea of multicoloured iMacs suggested a while back more feasible
 
I would have thought they'd retool it with a souped-up M2 processor. But maybe it just didn't sell that well.
My guess is that the “regular” iMac will be getting that processor. The iMac Pro always seemed like a stopgap.
 
It's pretty amazing how many products they release once and never upgrade.
As others have pointed out, the iMac Pro was a stopgap. It was something they could get to market quickly to address the criticism that they had abandoned the “pro” market while they developed the revised Mac Pro.
 
We've since confirmed with Apple that when supplies run out, the iMac Pro will no longer be available whatsoever. Apple says the latest 27-inch iMac introduced in August is the preferred choice for the vast majority of pro iMac users, and said customers who need even more performance and expandability can choose the Mac Pro.
I wonder how the 16GB sub $1000 Mac Mini compares speed-wise ?

Regardless, I'd expect the high end iMac M1 to excel (or come close) for a LOT less.
 
By us, you mean the "pro" community, which makes up a small proportion of the overall Mac user base. And I say this in air brackets for a reason.

I am aware of the rumours, but I am still not convinced Apple will release a mid-tier headless Mac, and I am even less convinced that creating one is justified. The iMac is going to be more than enough to meeting the computing needs for the majority of desktop Mac users. It has a gorgeous display (probably better than 90% of the monitors that people are going to buy anyways), is easy to set up, takes up fairly little desk space, is fairly quiet, and the fact that its ram and storage can't be easily accessed and upgraded is just not going to matter to many people.

In short, it's the epitome of Apple's design-led culture when it comes to the Mac.

If I were to look at this issue from Apple's perspective, I would argue that a mid-tier modular Mac doesn't make sense, for the exact same reasons you want one. The uproar over the price of the Mac Pro has further confirmed my long-held suspicions as well.

Take away the desire to use your own widescreen monitor. Take away the desire to upgrade the ram and SSD yourself after the purchase to save a few bucks. You basically have the Mac user which Apple has little interest in serving, both because it's already a fairly small market, and because well, margins.

It's becoming increasingly clear that a lot of the perceived demand for a "pro Mac" was really borne out of a desire for a "hobbyist" Mac, ie: one that you could open up and tinker around with. In the past, these two terms could still be conflated, when even the most powerful PCs were barely adequate for "real work".

But over time, as technology improved more rapidly than computing needs, standard off-the-shelf PCs became more than capable of meeting the needs for 99% of computer work, even for heavy users. But what frustrated the latter wasn't performance, but that these PCs came in sealed, untinkerable boxes.

The Mac mini is there for people who want to dip their toes in the Apple ecosystem. The Mac Pro is there for people with computing needs more intense than even the iMac Pro is capable of handling. The iMac is the general purpose desktop Mac for the masses, and if they didn't run out and purchase an iMac Pro on Day 1 out of sheer need, they don't need one now, and they most certainly don't need a Mac Pro.

But with Jony Ive out, who knows.
I agree Apple is a consumer driven organisation and is set up to deliver excellent products to the majority of people. They are no longer a reliable supplier to those who need powerful machines especially as the MacPro is double the price of a PC for slower performance. That’s targeted at a very niche user.

A Mac mini pro with a great GPU is the ideal computer for my business. I just dont hold my breath waiting for it.
 
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I never got these. Frankly the amount of time it took to get a new Mac Pro out was silly which is what required making this machine a stopgap. Guys, you made a tower with expensive wheels. It wasn’t exactly a feat of modern engineering

I feel like we’re finally on our way out of a really awkward phase with Apple. It’s like they got so into the habit of telling the average consumer what they wanted that they felt like they could do it to the pro crowd and it didn’t work.

Even the name of this product is a sort of abomination. The “i” and the Pro line... which had lamely been put together in the mobile space too... weren’t supposed to be together.

Ultimately this machine was what it sounded like, a sort of bastard child. It was the El Camino of Apple products.

I’m glad the company seems to have moved past this phase.
 
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I always thought the iMac “Pro” was a silly idea. The regular iMac was always a supremely capable & powerful creators tool. No need to make a pro version. Leave that to the Mac Pro tower for creators who wanted the highest of the high end.
 
iMac Pro is a fantastic machine! Easily still the best iMac Apple ever made due to it's almost silent operation and advanced cooling structure. Still the only iMac that can be used for proper graphics work and rendering without sounding like a jet engine!
 
Good points. Don't forget the 10Gb Ethernet.
10 Gb Ethernet is available as an option for the 27“ iMac now. not that I ever used that (always used wifi and somethings Ethernet that was capped at 1 Gb due to the other device I connected to.)
 
It's interesting. The iMac is actually one of Apple's most longstanding products, a bit longer than the iPod; it was actually the multicolored iMacs in 1998 that saved Apple and turned around their product lines. The PowerBook and iBook were replaced by the MacBook Pro and MacBooks/Airs (respectively), the Mac Mini was introduced in around 2005 or so, and the Mac Pro used to be known as the Power Mac before being rebranded in around 2005. Conversely, we have had the iMac product since 1998, with some form factor changes, but the concept is pretty much the same.

The iMac has been unique and distinct in a few ways: a) retaining the "i" moniker, which is now a legacy product branding, b) having the same name since 1998, and c) not having drastic form changes since ~2009, unlike many other products. The iMac has been a more steady representation, stable and staying still in a sea of changes.

The iMac Pro naming convention kind of always seemed wrong to me. It seemed a bit oddball, mingling the "i" and "Pro" monikors, and just kind of seemed redundant. Like some others upthread noted, it was definitely intended as a stopgap product, but it just seemed kind of odd to be part of the iMac line. It just didn't fit, IMHO.

It's time. I'm glad this decision was made.
 
This was going to happen with a M1 or some kind of pro version chip for the iMac. If an Air with M1 shreds in benchmarks, then an iMac version will be off the charts. Consumers will receive the best of both worlds. A cheaper computer with incredible performance.
 
I wonder how the 16GB sub $1000 Mac Mini compares speed-wise ?

Regardless, I'd expect the high end iMac M1 to excel (or come close) for a LOT less.

I have the iMac Pro 10-core, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD
&
MacBook Pro M1 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD

The Mac Mini will be a touch faster due to the better thermals and mains power available but I can tell you that the iMac Pro is STILL faster (Which it should be).

However it depends what you use it for - for my channel editing 4K video on YouTube - having those 10 cores makes processing significantly faster.

BUT I am blown away by the MacBook Pro M1 because it is able to do a better job than any other mac I have used EXCEPT the iMac Pro (and logically Mac Pro).

I previously had a 15 inch i7 with 16GB RAM and it could not even load and allow me to edit a simple video clip without slowing down to be almost unusable and although I am sure the latest 16 MBP (which I also had but never used for editing videos) would be better I doubt it would be as smooth to load video and move around the edit.

I would honestly say that these M1 Macbooks and the Mini M1 would be amazing to use for editing video or probably anything else.

I only bought my iMac Pro last year - but I tell you this if they bring out a new iMac Pro with the M1 - then I wouldn’t hesitate to sell it!
 
I think Apple has faced some issues when selling the iMac Pro.
1. The pros don't differentiate from normal iMacs enough. From outside, they look almost identical except the color. Apple should use a different screen size (e.g. 30 inch or more) to make the Pros stand out when sit with normal iMacs. From inside, the extra juice from the high-end Intel CPU don't really help for most. It became a mission impossible after Apple introduced the M1 chip. Assuming future iMacs will adopt the M1 or slightly upgraded M1, I don't think apple can make a "pro" chip in a short time that performs much better than M1 to justify the price difference between iMacs and pros.
2. Apple set high bars by themselves. For example, they set a sky-high price tag for 31.5 inch 6k display. Due to the high price, they can't sell an iMac pro with a 30+ inch screen with a reasonable price. Ideally, they should set the price of the 6k display between 1k to 1.5k, then they will have enough space to price the iMacs.
Overall, Tim Cook is too greedy to price Apple's new product and leave no room for future product lines, which put himself in a dilemma. Sometimes he needed to step back on the price strategies, like the iPhone XR.
 
I think Apple has faced some issues when selling the iMac Pro.
1. The pros don't differentiate from normal iMacs enough. From outside, they look almost identical except the color. Apple should use a different screen size (e.g. 30 inch or more) to make the Pros stand out when sit with normal iMacs. From inside, the extra juice from the high-end Intel CPU don't really help for most. It became a mission impossible after Apple introduced the M1 chip. Assuming future iMacs will adopt the M1 or slightly upgraded M1, I don't think apple can make a "pro" chip in a short time that performs much better than M1 to justify the price difference between iMacs and pros.
2. Apple set high bars by themselves. For example, they set a sky-high price tag for 31.5 inch 6k display. Due to the high price, they can't sell an iMac pro with a 30+ inch screen with a reasonable price. Ideally, they should set the price of the 6k display between 1k to 1.5k, then they will have enough space to price the iMacs.
Overall, Tim Cook is too greedy to price Apple's new product and leave no room for future product lines, which put himself in a dilemma. Sometimes he needed to step back on the price strategies, like the iPhone XR.
Well, it's a stop gap solution, so there wouldn't be substantial investment into form factor changes.
 
The new low is under $2,000. The middle is between $2,000-3,000. The high end will start at $3,000 and top off at $5,000 or more.
Low end is M1 speed. Middle is able to just beat out top end chips on the market. High end will be industry leading speed.
If they don’t have industry leading speed they can’t justify price hikes across the board. But if they do have the goods, hold on to your wallets.

they want to sell $3,000 iMacs to people who buy $500 headphones and $4,000 laptops.
What would be nice is if Apple incorporated a battery into an iMac and having it work similar to an UPS system.
 
I never got these. Frankly the amount of time it took to get a new Mac Pro out was silly which is what required making this machine a stopgap. Guys, you made a tower with expensive wheels. It wasn’t exactly a feat of modern engineering

I feel like we’re finally on our way out of a really awkward phase with Apple. It’s like they got so into the habit of telling the average consumer what they wanted that they felt like they could do it to the pro crowd and it didn’t work.

Even the name of this product is a sort of abomination. The “i” and the Pro line... which had lamely been put together in the mobile space too... weren’t supposed to be together.

Ultimately this machine was what it sounded like, a sort of bastard child. It was the El Camino of Apple products.

I’m glad the company seems to have moved past this phase.
It wasn't a stopgap. That's all pure unfounded speculation. Apple genuinely believed the iMac Pro was the way to go just based on how much more popular the iMac form factor is vs the Mac Pro. Like you said, there's no way they would have invested more effort into the design for just a "stop gap".
 
What would be nice is if Apple incorporated a battery into an iMac and having it work similar to an UPS system.
The only benefit this would have, is that you’d avoid the DC>AC>DC conversion.

everything else is a downside (more weight, adding batteries in an already hard to cool enclosure, telling customers to lug their iMac to a service centre because the battery needs replacing, etc)

the one upside (removing the dc>ac>dc conversions) could be achieved by using an external power brick, with a standardised DC plug on the iMac side.

DC UPS’s exist, and work amazingly well (your ac/dc conversion losses are all done using mains power, from there it’s just drawing battery power) I have one for our router/ONT. from memory it ran somewhere in the range of 8 hours until flat. It’s smaller than the router it powers - about the size of two packs of playing cards.

I’ll be getting more for our PoE camera system, once they’re back in stock.
 
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