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Black Lives Matter killing 5 police officers. Black Lives Matter was taken over by radical feminists and black identitarians, and they were egged on by practically every single left-wing news organisation in the west.

This is a lie. BLM did not kill police officers.

thus inciting a colossal hatemob on Twitter that made him break down in tears on

Oh no! TEARS??!!

Anita Sarkeesian of Feminist Frequency started a hatemob that drove Joss Whedon off of Twitter. In public he denies her having anything to do with it, but everyone who saw it unfold know what happened.

So Whedon himself said it wasn't the cause, but OTHER PEOPLE insist otherwise.

How about Steve Scalise getting shot by a radical left winger:

How about it? That's a gun control problem, not an ideological issue.

None of these examples have anything to do with Jones. You guys keep trying to shoehorn folks *you* don't agree with and insist they're just like Jones. And they also have nothing to do with the fact that Jones is not owed a forum by other entities.

Sorry Alex Jones's podcast was kicked off some networks. Somehow, someway our republic will manage to survive.
 
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He did not incite harassment AFAIK. Saying it "led to" something occurring is quite a stretch. People can hear any news they want and them make any number of dumb decisions based on it.

So you are saying his constant naming and revealing of the familiy’s address. While spouting lies about their dead child means nothing?

I for one will say outright. If that was my family.... I would’ve put him down like a rabid animal.
 
There is an issue here about which side of the political spectrum Alex Jones is on. That's the whole point I'm trying to make - YouTube would not and do not do this to crazy conspiracy theorists on the left. In fact, YouTube's CEO is a crazy left-wing conspiracy theorist herself, and the YouTube community actually despise her.

In the post you just quoted, I cited several different organisations who are peddling left-wing nonsense.

I don't see how it's specific to Alex Jones that what he says has real world consequences. Anything anybody says has real world consequences. You may not like the consequences of Alex Jones' speech, but at least have the decency of calling exactly that - your personal opinion and bias, and not something upon which he should be de-platformed.

I have already evaluated Alex Jones on his merits: I don't like him. I think he peddles ridiculous BS and shouldn't be taken seriously. I said this like 5 times. There are no if's or but's on that.

It feels to me like I'm not cherrypicking my responses - you're cherrypicking which of my responses to read. I can't control that. If you refuse to engage with my arguments and read my posts, I simply am not interested in furthering this debate. If the next post is not a substantial improvement over this one, this conversation will end.


Actually, before 2016, Jones was more of an equal opportunity offender, not trusting Democrat or republican government, especially at the Federal level. Remember that his first national start at pushing his false flag crap was 9/11, which happened under Bush. Something changed in the 2016 election that made him buddy up to Trump. If I recall, they both found common ground over the Birther conspiracy theory. Trump came on his show (at which point more in the GOP became aware of him), but eventually the honeymoon ended when Trump broke a campaign promise.

That is the main reason it's hard to figure out where Jones lays on the spectrum, because it's changed.
 
And you have received it. By the way, the headline in that link is a straight-up lie. If you actually read the quote that it cites as the basis for its claim, it simply doesn't say what the headline says it says.

It does say that Jones wants to take down Mueller, but it doesn't say that he's going for to shoot him or even that they're going to have a cowboy-style showdown. That part is completely made up by gz.com. Unfortunately I can't review the evidence more closely myself, because YouTube deleted it. Whoops?

Are you really this willfully ignorant. Jones's video is right there on the page. Go watch it.

Those terms of service are exactly what I have a problem with. This is not a set of rules. This is basically saying "Civilizations have rules. Some have free speech, some do not. We don't. If we don't like you for whatever reason, then you're SoL."

That's an illegal contract.

Um, those terms of service are Alex Jones' Infowars TOS. You don't think its an issue that Jones' or his followers are upset with being de-platformed given they employ similar TOS to those same platforms.

I've already given you the names of several organisations who are known to have done this. If you Google them, it'll come right up. Since you're absolutely clamouring for an actual singular example where you don't have to do even the slightest detective work yourself, here you go with a couple:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016...e-killed-snipers-protest-160708034233850.html

Black Lives Matter killing 5 police officers. Black Lives Matter was taken over by radical feminists and black identitarians, and they were egged on by practically every single left-wing news organisation in the west.

Here are some lovely tweets from the New York Times' new editor in chief:
https://i.redd.it/jp272mvc0pd11.jpg

These quotes do not bear repeating in this post.

How about #KillAllMen, egged on by The Telegraph editor.

Tim Hunt was harassed into having to apologize after getting a Nobel Prize because of a comics shirt he wore, which was made by his wife incidentally, that The Guardian decided was not feminist enough - thus inciting a colossal hatemob on Twitter that made him break down in tears on the day of his life's greatest accomplishment?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...male-scientists-cause-trouble-for-men-in-labs

Anita Sarkeesian of Feminist Frequency started a hatemob that drove Joss Whedon off of Twitter. In public he denies her having anything to do with it, but everyone who saw it unfold know what happened.
https://www.themarysue.com/joss-whedon-why-he-left-twitter/

How about Steve Scalise getting shot by a radical left winger:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting#cite_note-7

His favourite shows included "Real Time With Bill Maher", noted for saying that he disliked Donald Trump so much he wanted the whole country to go into such a deep recession that we would have to depose him, "The Rachel Maddow Show", and "Democracy Now!". He was also a member of a Facebook group called "Terminate the Republican Party", which frequently incites to violence against them.

Madonna has said she hopes someone will shoot up the white house.

I could go on and on and on but by goodness me am I bored now.

Happy now?

Oh dear God! I didn't realize I was talking to a child. You clearly are incapable of having an adult understanding of any of these issues. You are literally conflating all issues without any regard to the nuances of each. In your mind it is simply left vs right and all actions are justified because in your mind there is equivalent incident on the opposing side. That is literally how children react when being reprimanded by their parents for misbehaving. "But they did this and they did that" ad infinitum. Grow up!
 
CNN is not content with the current level of censorship they achieved. They are now pushing HARD for Jones to be banned from Twitter.

This is coming mere days after defending the rabid racist Sarah Jeong, who is still working at the New York Times and is still on social media after YEARS of spewing vile racism.

The modern left is disgusting.
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Oh dear God! I didn't realize I was talking to a child. You clearly are incapable of having an adult understanding of any of these issues. You are literally conflating all issues without any regard to the nuances of each. In your mind it is simply left vs right and all actions are justified because in your mind there is equivalent incident on the opposing side. That is literally how children react when being reprimanded by their parents for misbehaving. "But they did this and they did that" ad infinitum. Grow up!

You didn't address any of his points. There are mountains of evidence of the left posting hate speech, vile racism, death threats, targeted harassment, inciting violence that has led directly to multiple murders, and yet those accounts rarely (if ever) bet banned.

This is a coordinated attack against Jones by far-left outlets like CNN and digital lynch mobs like Sleeping Giants and Right-Wing Watch.
 
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You didn't address any of his points. There are mountains of evidence of the left posting hate speech, vile racism, death threats, targeted harassment, inciting violence that has led directly to multiple murders, and yet those accounts rarely (if ever) bet banned.

This is a coordinated attack against Jones by far-left outlets like CNN and digital lynch mobs like Sleeping Giants and Right-Wing Watch.


I've already pointed out what whataboutism is. When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would often be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western World. That is exactly what you are engaging in. It is a variant of a logical fallacy.

You guys are simply throwing everything you can against the wall in order to mount a defence. Your response is to say this left wing person did this and this left wing person did that as a defence. You are unconcerned with the minutiae which is critical. As I said before, that is how children defend themselves when being reprimanded. You are unable to discuss the specific issue at hand without providing excuses. And the excuses you do provide are not aimed at addressing the issue but are aimed at diluting the issue i.e. muddying the waters.

Unfortunately, this only works on people who don't have the critical thinking skills to call it out. And if you do not have a higher education (university level) it is very likely you have not developed those skills and are susceptible to that form of argument. I am always shocked to find how many young people are Alex Jones fans. They simply don't have ability to cope with an onslaught of his kind of propaganda.
 
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I didn't realize I was talking to a child.
You didn’t? These are people who get indignant because the rational world doesn’t take “Die Jews” as a funny. Like children, they bend reality to suit their preexisting world views. Like children, as you said, they give their bad actors a pass because they can find different kinds of bad actors. Like children, they’ll only get it if it hits them personally. God forbid their mothers get raped, I promise they won’t find funny a joke about it. Ever.
 
If he is purposely spreading misinformation and promoting hate speech, it should be the service providers choice. At the end of the day the content on ones service is indicative of its image. This is a grey area of A. Jones being a cyber/broadcast bully. If he has factual evidence then great, however when someone is yelling at the camera/audience to hawk their products, it tells me their are simply a con-artist.

Would anyone treat a foreigner the same or differently if their spewed the same narrative.
 
You didn’t? These are people who get indignant because the rational world doesn’t take “Die Jews” as a funny. Like children, they bend reality to suit their preexisting world views. Like children, as you said, they give their bad actors a pass because they can find different kinds of bad actors. Like children, they’ll only get it if it hits them personally. God forbid their mothers get raped, I promise they won’t find funny a joke about it. Ever.

I think they might actually be children (or young adults). One them referred to a "school project" in an earlier post in another thread. I am surprised how many young people are fans of Alex Jones. I pointed out above that without the appropriate education level one is very susceptible to Infowars type of propaganda. In high school you are taught to absorb information at face value. You only develop crucial critical thinking skills at the university level.
 
He did not incite harassment AFAIK. Saying it "led to" something occurring is quite a stretch. People can hear any news they want and them make any number of dumb decisions based on it.

When you have a platform, and state the school shooting was made up, and then threaten to post the addresses of the family, then yeah there is a problem and I hope that family sues the hell out of him.
 
This is a lie. BLM did not kill police officers.
You can say that until you're blue in the face. I've evidence to the contrary. But even if we assume they didn't, they certainly incited it, and black men acted upon it, which is what I was charged to find examples of anyway, so meh.

Oh no! TEARS??!!
I was tasked with finding left-wing examples of hate mobs being driven by the far left media. Not only did I find it, I found it in amongst the biggest left-wing media publications in the world.

And, unsurprisingly, hate mobs do tend to reduce you to tears.

By the way, some of the people I've mentioned previously have received literal human excrement and even anthrax in their mailboxes. It might have escaped your notice that virtually no political news shows actually have a P.O. box anymore. Do I really need to explain to you why that is? It's considered heinous to say where somebody lives, simply because everybody's afraid of the online hate mob following them into real life.

So Whedon himself said it wasn't the cause, but OTHER PEOPLE insist otherwise.
Because there's mountains of evidence of it. There are literally videos out there showing 3 tweets a second for 5 minutes of feminist hatred towards him, much of it obviously feminist, many of them death threats.

How about it? That's a gun control problem, not an ideological issue.

None of these examples have anything to do with Jones. You guys keep trying to shoehorn folks *you* don't agree with and insist they're just like Jones. And they also have nothing to do with the fact that Jones is not owed a forum by other entities.

Sorry Alex Jones's podcast was kicked off some networks. Somehow, someway our republic will manage to survive.
This just in m8s: Guns kill people, no other people involved. Also, hammers nail things by themselves and knives float around in mid-air with a mind of their own, stabbing random people as they go.

I'm not going to go into the gun control debate, but I am going to say that there wouldn't have been any gun there without someone to bring it there, and there wouldn't have been a shooting unless someone had pulled the trigger. You can't just blame guns when the left wing runs amok and blame right wing talking points when the right wing runs amok. Have some consistency, will you?

Actually, before 2016, Jones was more of an equal opportunity offender, not trusting Democrat or republican government, especially at the Federal level. Remember that his first national start at pushing his false flag crap was 9/11, which happened under Bush. Something changed in the 2016 election that made him buddy up to Trump. If I recall, they both found common ground over the Birther conspiracy theory. Trump came on his show (at which point more in the GOP became aware of him), but eventually the honeymoon ended when Trump broke a campaign promise.

That is the main reason it's hard to figure out where Jones lays on the spectrum, because it's changed.
I wouldn't know - I don't follow him. If we assume this to be true, it's quite interesting that offenses committed years and year sand years ago only come back to haunt him once he actually declares for the right, isn't it?

I'm sure that's just a coincidence. Nothing to see here.

Are you really this willfully ignorant. Jones's video is right there on the page. Go watch it.
I am extremely wilfully ignorant of Alex Jones. Like I've already said, I do not watch, enjoy, or believe his show, and I'm not gong to start now in order to defend him towards you. If what you say is true, then why wasn't he banned when he posted the video in the first place? Why now?

Um, those terms of service are Alex Jones' Infowars TOS. You don't think its an issue that Jones' or his followers are upset with being de-platformed given they employ similar TOS to those same platforms.
They sound confusingly similar to the same crap YouTube's pulling, but hey - I'm not trying to defend Alex Jones here. As far as I'm concerned he's an idiot, and I've already said that.

However, even idiots should have the right to speak. All we've accomplished now is making his app store app the most popular in the news category and created a huge cult following. That's not good!

The difference between Alex Jones and YouTube is that getting banned from Infowars isn't really going to impact your financial situation in any way, nor is it going to prevent you from spreading your message in any meaningful way. Getting banned from all social media platforms simultaneously is a whole another matter. Like I said at the very beginning, there's nothing inherently illegal about what they've done, but the sheer show of censorious force here is grounds for an antitrust investigation.

Oh dear God! I didn't realize I was talking to a child. You clearly are incapable of having an adult understanding of any of these issues. You are literally conflating all issues without any regard to the nuances of each. In your mind it is simply left vs right and all actions are justified because in your mind there is equivalent incident on the opposing side. That is literally how children react when being reprimanded by their parents for misbehaving. "But they did this and they did that" ad infinitum. Grow up!
I didn't say any of it was justified. You asked me to find examples of left-wing radicals inciting hatred with fake news and conspiracy theories. I have delivered.

Here's another one: Buzzfeed and #Pissgate. Completely made up (much of it by 4-chan), author taken to court for defamation, damaged Trump and many of his associates, family, and friends.

I can't really win with you, can I? If I'm not citing examples because I'm saying that they don't matter, you think I'm making stuff up. If I do cite examples, you claim I'm defending the right because the left does it too. It's utterly impossible to make you understand that it simultaneously doesn't matter for my argument and that it happens regardless, and you have the temerity to call my mental capacity childlike while being unable to understand such a simple set of statements. You're embarrassing yourself, man.
 
You can say that until you're blue in the face. I've evidence to the contrary. But even if we assume they didn't, they certainly incited it, and black men acted upon it, which is what I was charged to find examples of anyway, so meh.




And yet police found no connect between Micah Johnson and BLM or any other group. Johnson reportedly had anger issues with police shootings long before BLM march and when police found his manifesto it even criticized BLM.

Law enforcement officials have provided NPR with what they believe is Johnson's manifesto. As we reported, "In the short purported manifesto, the writer points to police shootings of black Americans as his motivation and criticizes the Black Lives Matter movement."

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...hat-we-know-about-the-dallas-suspected-gunman
 
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I am extremely wilfully ignorant of Alex Jones. Like I've already said, I do not watch, enjoy, or believe his show, and I'm not gong to start now in order to defend him towards you. If what you say is true, then why wasn't he banned when he posted the video in the first place? Why now?

You called out the linked article as inaccurate. When I said watch the video cited in the article as evidence, you say you won't watch it. This is bizarre logic. I believe he was banned a few days after that video was posted. He has been given warnings numerous times and had his account suspended previously. This is not a first offence.

They sound confusingly similar to the same crap YouTube's pulling, but hey - I'm not trying to defend Alex Jones here. As far as I'm concerned he's an idiot, and I've already said that.

However, even idiots should have the right to speak. All we've accomplished now is making his app store app the most popular in the news category and created a huge cult following. That's not good!

And back to the beginning we go. You say you are not defending Alex Jones, but as I pointed out earlier, your arguments come across as a tacit defence. Secondly, no one is stopping Alex Jones from speaking. Let me explain the 1st amendment to you. The 1st amendment solely prevents the government from stopping speech. Private companies are not obligated. If you violate their TOS, they have every right to kick you off their platform.

The difference between Alex Jones and YouTube is that getting banned from Infowars isn't really going to impact your financial situation in any way, nor is it going to prevent you from spreading your message in any meaningful way. Getting banned from all social media platforms simultaneously is a whole another matter. Like I said at the very beginning, there's nothing inherently illegal about what they've done, but the sheer show of censorious force here is grounds for an antitrust investigation.

Antitrust, LOL!. I suggest you read up on what Antitrust regulation is before you throw around words without understanding what they mean. Jones clicked accept on their TOS when he decided to publish on Youtube, FB etc. No one forced him to enter into the TOS contract, he chose to. Just like his own TOS. Political shows on Youtube, FB, etc. are generally demonetized as a matter of policy. This avoids conflict between advertisers and platforms. Advertisers don't like having their ads show up on nutjob online political shows lest it implies their implicit support. As an example, TYT is also demonetized on social media platforms. Jones has his own webstore where he makes his money. You might want to pick up some "Brain Force Plus". It's on sale right now. ;)

I didn't say any of it was justified. You asked me to find examples of left-wing radicals inciting hatred with fake news and conspiracy theories. I have delivered.

Here's another one: Buzzfeed and #Pissgate. Completely made up (much of it by 4-chan), author taken to court for defamation, damaged Trump and many of his associates, family, and friends.

No, I asked you to find an example that correlates to the specific case of Alex Jones. You didn't. Instead, what you did was throw up a wide variety of grievances against left wing groups with no understanding of the nuances or intricacies of each case. And you are doing it yet again with the case of the Trump Dossier. This is essentially a fit of whataboutism. None of these issues correlate with the Alex Jones case. What it does highlight is that you seem to have a superficial understanding of complexities of these issues and that is why you continue to repeat your mistakes. The essence of your argument is this. Lots of left wing groups post things you disagree with, some of these left wing groups have social media presences, therefore they should also be banned like Alex Jones. The false equivalency here is flagrant. Whataboutism is a logical fallacy and it is the only tool you have which is why you repeat it over and over again.

I can't really win with you, can I? If I'm not citing examples because I'm saying that they don't matter, you think I'm making stuff up. If I do cite examples, you claim I'm defending the right because the left does it too. It's utterly impossible to make you understand that it simultaneously doesn't matter for my argument and that it happens regardless, and you have the temerity to call my mental capacity childlike while being unable to understand such a simple set of statements. You're embarrassing yourself, man.

My aim here is not to chalk up a win against you. As mentioned before, I am unconcerned with what side of the political spectrum you fall, despite the fact it is glaringly obvious. I think you have undeveloped talent and you simply do not have the critical thinking tools in order pursue the discussion beyond the limits of your cursory understanding. This doesn't mean I'm calling you dumb or your mental capacity childlike. What I'm calling you is immature. And your writing seems to indicate that you are young. I hope and pray you pursue your education to a higher level.
 
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Different opinions do not bother me. Say what you want.

Removing content and silencing people? Now you’ve got a war. Especially when you grandstand about being inclusive of all people and opinions.

Freedom of speech doesn't protect those that incite violence or make false statements. Alex Jones has done both on a regular basis.

I've already pointed out what whataboutism is. When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would often be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western World. That is exactly what you are engaging in. It is a variant of a logical fallacy.

You guys are simply throwing everything you can against the wall in order to mount a defence. Your response is to say this left wing person did this and this left wing person did that as a defence. You are not sticking to the details of the specific case at hand. As I said before, that is how children defend themselves when being reprimanded. You are unable to discuss the specific issue at hand without providing excuses. And the excuses you do provide are not aimed at addressing the issue but are aimed at diluting the issue i.e. muddying the waters.

Unfortunately, this only works on people who don't have the critical thinking skills to call it out. And if you do not have a higher education (university level) it is very likely you have not developed those skills and are susceptible to that form of argument. I am always shocked to find how many young people are Alex Jones fans. They simply don't have ability to cope with an onslaught of that kind of propaganda.

Critical thinking FTW.
 
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But they removed a Civil War game because the Confederate side had their actual flag. That's weird.

Kinda like Germany has (since the end of WW2) banned any PC or video game that shows the historical (Swastika) flag of the Third Reich. This is true. It's well known in the old school PC gaming industry…… that the original Castle Wolfenstein Mac/PC game (late 1980s to early 1990s) was banned by the German government because the bad guys sported swastikas, and the game began with the tune of the Horst Wessel Lied (the anthem of the NSDAP, aka the Nazi Party).
 
The guy is a loon, he has said some pretty liable stuff. But then so has most liberals with the ever-broadening definition of "racism", "Sexism", "...ism", "...ist", these days. So I find the liable argument weak. What I find weird is the several supposedly independent companies all acting within 12 hours or so to unperson this guy. That is very sus! Shows that silicon valley is a cabal that needs some anti-trust laws or something.

For those who think "good, he is awful", think a few steps forward to how this might be used against you and yours one day. The Overton window is all over the place these days, who knows where it will land. Nobody's speech is safe at the moment.
 
The guy is a loon, he has said some pretty liable stuff. But then so has most liberals with the ever-broadening definition of "racism", "Sexism", "...ism", "...ist", these days. So I find the liable argument weak. What I find weird is the several supposedly independent companies all acting within 12 hours or so to unperson this guy. That is very sus! Shows that silicon valley is a cabal that needs some anti-trust laws or something.

For those who think "good, he is awful", think a few steps forward to how this might be used against you and yours one day. The Overton window is all over the place these days, who knows where it will land. Nobody's speech is safe at the moment.

No one's speech is in danger at the moment. That goes for Alex Jones as well.
 
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No one's speech is in danger at the moment. That goes for Alex Jones as well.

Alex Jones is thanking all these tech companies. I heard on the radio this morning, that people are downloading apps, and watching in record numbers now.
 
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Alex Jones is thanking all these tech companies. I heard on the radio this morning, that people are downloading apps, and watching in record numbers now.

That is a normal reaction when there is so much media discussion on the topic.
 
That is a normal reaction when there is so much media discussion on the topic.

Exactly. Lets see how many people actually listen to the streams or read the content, which will dwindle as anything normal does after public attentions.
 
The guy is a loon, he has said some pretty liable stuff. But then so has most liberals with the ever-broadening definition of "racism", "Sexism", "...ism", "...ist", these days. So I find the liable argument weak. What I find weird is the several supposedly independent companies all acting within 12 hours or so to unperson this guy. That is very sus! Shows that silicon valley is a cabal that needs some anti-trust laws or something.

For those who think "good, he is awful", think a few steps forward to how this might be used against you and yours one day. The Overton window is all over the place these days, who knows where it will land. Nobody's speech is safe at the moment.
I'll worry about it when they start targeting people who aren't obviously insane, trolling, or spreading lies, which he's some combination of. I don't like them silencing any point of view, but Alex Jones takes it many steps further with his dishonest content that seems to just be a money grab (like the water filter sponsor). Honestly I'd rather there be a Nazi channel than him, not that I'd watch either.

Antitrust regulation is super messy. I think it was one company deciding to ban him then the others seeing it and following. While Alex Jones has his freedom of speech under the First Amendment, so do the social networks showing his content to millions of people for him.
 
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