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You sound like the wimpy kid that jumps up and down when he tattles on someone.

And yes, military personnels’ life is quite important to me, especially when they don’t get the justice they deserve after their superior negligently ignores them. You are disgusting to think anything otherwise. But apparently hating the military and siding with Hillary in this case is the popular thing nowadays. Absolutely disgusting.
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28 people died at Sandy Hook. Most of them were toddlers. Yet you think four deaths of adult professionals at Benghazi is worse. Kind of hard to fathom.

Benghazi had ten congressional investigations to look for wrongdoing. Six of them were led by Republicans. None of them found any wrongdoing on Clinton’s part. The fact that you’re still clinging to that narrative tells me you listen to fake news, probably exclusively.
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"That has demonstrably incited violence"??? You're telling me that whatever InfoWars posted to one of their channels has caused someone to incite violence? Good thing that's not illegal then.

Oh and lol @ the "hateful nonsense" part! hahaha

Are you even able to read? I said nothing about the legality of inciting violence. Apple is a private company and they can remove whatever they want whether or not it’s illegal. Hate and the inciting of violence is obviously not something they want on their private platform. Again, it’s an Alex Jones problem, not an Apple problem. Nobody owes Jones a platform.
 
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Why do you people keep calling me conservative hahahaha. I am not a conservative. I'm as centrist as they come. I don't adhere to any one particular ideology. I assess each individual issue that I am interested in and make up my own mind.

But hey, if you want to call me a conservative, that's your right to do so.

I didn't call *you* conservative, but if you identify with them on this one, that's your right to do so.
 
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Oh I'm not. If you are saying there is hate speech quote it and I'll be glad to watch the video to confirm the hate speech you claim was uttered. If you can't quote it then it must not exist.


Just so everyone knows that you are choosing to ignore evidence contrary to what you believe, on the grounds that it's not in the form that you want to consume.

And just so everyone knows that I'm not being contrary, lazy, or stubborn. Jones posts carry an emotional layer that words on a page can't convey. If I write "they're trying to turn the frickin' frogs gay", it loses a lot without the audio of his voice. That layer adds a lot of crazy on its own.
 
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This is clearly not "whataboutism" as you put it. It's pointing out an evident bias on the part of YouTube when it comes to terminating channels for "hate speech". If 1 channel is terminated, it means that all others who use the same types of languages about groups of people should be terminated as well.

It's not shifting the blame or deflecting away from the wrongdoing of the channel in question, it's questioning the inconsistencies on the part of YouTube. If they also removed extreme left wing channels from YouTube for the same reasons, nobody would care as much.

I'm not defending Alex Jones based on his content. I think his content is awful.

Accusing me of whataboutism (if that is indeed what you're doing - it's a little unclear) when I have been asked to find two comparable organisations is pretty ridiculous. Someone said anything like Alex Jones doesn't exist on the left - well, it does. My opinion on Alex Jones and his rights are completely unchanged by whether The Young Turks exist or not.

Whataboutism attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving the argument. Accusing an organization of bias (i.e. Youtube, FB etc.) and therefore a double standard is the same as charging them with hypocrisy. Both of you are engaging in this and thus whataboutism.

There is simply no equivalent to Alex Jones infowars on the web on the left or on the right. Your attempt to draw an equivalence with The Young Turks is a gross mischaracterization and exaggeration. The kind of hatred and incitement propagated by Alex Jones has had real world consequences. Both Pizzagate and harassment of Sandy Hook families are tangible examples. There is no equivalent I am aware of with The Young Turks.

Both of you seem to be intelligent enough to understand the nuances in the case of Alex Jones. However, despite the fact that you indicate that you do not condone his views or actions, your attempts at drawing false equivalencies comes across as tacit approval. What you are engaging in is moral equivocation i.e. denying that a moral hierarchy can be assessed of two sides in a conflict, or in the actions or tactics of two sides when it clearly can. That is the same process that decent everyday Germans engaged in during the rise of Nazism.

You should both read up on philosopher Karl Popper's explanation of the 'Paradox of Tolerance'.

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant."
 
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Then why mention them at all, if they don't change your argument?!?
Because it was a separate argument.

Let me make my position crystal by combining the arguments for you:

I don't like Alex Jones, and I don't think anybody should take him seriously. Fortunately, very few people do - but for those who do, this actual conspiracy provides him with substantial ammunition to peddle his nonsense conspiracy theories, and furthermore the fact that such a conspiracy is even possible, and the fact that it can be so effective and coordinated, is grounds for an antitrust investigation.

Furthermore, the political left-wing bias displayed in Silicon Valley is evident in this selective prosecution they've got going on. If they're going to ban Infowars, there are plenty of other shows, including shows on the far left, that deserves the banhammer as well.

However, I don't think they should ban any of it, because I think the world stands to benefit a great deal from an open platform for debate. We already have plenty of biased, editorialised platforms - YouTube can be better than that. That's the part of the argument that doesn't change, though. Even if there wasn't anything on the left like Alex Jones, I still don't think he should be banned. That's argument that doesn't change and why the "whataboutism" argument doesn't apply. My stance does not change based on whether something exists on left, alright?

And by the way, that whole whataboutism argument from John Oliver is absurd, or at least poorly delivered. John Oliver makes a false equivalence when he constructs his argument by reducing the severity of X in the "what about X" argument, and then claims that the severity of X doesn't matter to people who use the whataboutism. That is true, but Fox News, or whoever is saying this, isn't talking about ugly crocs vs. Hitler, they're talking about Russian meddling vs Russian meddling, so his argument is complete BS.

He also poisons the well by claiming that calling for an end to selective prosecution and equality under the law is communist propaganda. That is an utterly ridiculous claim, and quite obviously so.
 
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Whataboutism attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving the argument. Accusing an organization of bias (i.e. Youtube, FB etc.) and therefore a double standard is the same as charging them with hypocrisy. Both of you are engaging in this and thus whataboutism.
I have made a very direct attempt at disproving that point. I simply don't believe he should be banned, left-wing extremism be damned.

However, I am charging them with hypocrisy as well.

Furthermore, whataboutism isn't just charging them with hypocrisy, it's drawing parallels to much less severe cases and then accusing them of hypocrisy, and I don't believe I have done that.

There is simply no equivalent to Alex Jones infowars on the web on the left or on the right. Your attempt to draw an equivalence with The Young Turks is a gross mischaracterization and exaggeration. The kind of hatred and incitement propagated by Alex Jones has had real world consequences. Both Pizzagate and harassment of Sandy Hook families are tangible examples. There is no equivalent I am aware of with The Young Turks.
What about Addicting Info, US Uncut, Occupy Democrats, literal socialists and radical feminists who peddle the whole "male privilege" conspiracy theory - that men are literally working together to deliberately keep women down. The left is rife with that - it's practically considered a mainstream position at this point. And yes, there have been quite a lot of harassment and lawsuits because of this.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the left has far more than the right on the level of Alex Jones. Alex Jones actually stands out, the crazy on the left is par for the course these days.
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You should both read up on philosopher Karl Popper's explanation of the 'Paradox of Tolerance'.
I actually agree with that, but I can't exactly recall Alex Jones inciting violence. He's certainly got a violent and nasty audience from time to time though, but holding him accountable for that is pretty disingenuous; and if we did that to the left, it would friggin' implode. They've got Antifa, for cryin' out loud!

To be fair, I don't actually watch Alex Jones, so if he did incite violence within 12 hours of all the bans going up, my position will change. From all the evidence I can find though, he didn't. It was more of a "we've disliked him for a long time" kind of thing, and then they all decided to ban him simultaneously for things he hadn't done recently.

If someone actually goes online and posts death threats, I'm completely fine with banning them. I'm also fine with banning people who use insults, etc. I should say thanks to the mod who kept me within the rails earlier as well. It wasn't a very direct insult, but I'm happy to abide by the rules of this community. What I'm not happy about is selective enforcement based on political bias from the moderators, but MacRumors fortunately does not appear to have this problem.

All I'm saying is that the rules should be clear and enforced equally. That's it.
 
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I have made a very direct attempt at disproving that point. I simply don't believe he should be banned, left-wing extremism be damned.

However, I am charging them with hypocrisy as well.

Furthermore, whataboutism isn't just charging them with hypocrisy, it's drawing parallels to much less severe cases and then accusing them of hypocrisy, and I don't believe I have done that.

What about Addicting Info, US Uncut, Occupy Democrats, literal socialists and radical feminists who peddle the whole "male privilege" conspiracy theory - that men are literally working together to deliberately keep women down. The left is rife with that - it's practically considered a mainstream position at this point. And yes, there have been quite a lot of harassment and lawsuits because of this.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the left has far more than the right on the level of Alex Jones. Alex Jones actually stands out, the crazy on the left is par for the course these days.

You are cherry picking your responses and again engaging in moral equivocation. There is no issue here about which side of the political spectrum you are on. Left or right it makes no difference to me. The very specific issue here is Alex Jones and the real world consequences of his rhetoric. You have yet to cite any specific comparable real world examples of Pizzagate or Jones' Sandy Hook conspiracy theory on the left. All you are saying is that you disagree with some far left wing ideologies. That is fine, but that is simply not the issue here. You seem to be unable to dissociate yourself from tribal thinking and evaluate Alex Jones on his merits without engaging in false equivalency.
 
You are cherry picking your responses and again engaging in moral equivocation. There is no issue here about which side of the political spectrum you are on. Left or right it makes no difference to me. The very specific issue here is Alex Jones and the real world consequences of his rhetoric. You have yet to cite any specific comparable real world examples of Pizzagate or Jones' Sandy Hook conspiracy theory on the left. All you are saying is that you disagree with some far left wing ideologies. That is fine, but that is simply not the issue here. You seem to be unable to dissociate yourself from tribal thinking and evaluate Alex Jones on his merits without engaging in false equivalency.
There is an issue here about which side of the political spectrum Alex Jones is on. That's the whole point I'm trying to make - YouTube would not and do not do this to crazy conspiracy theorists on the left. In fact, YouTube's CEO is a crazy left-wing conspiracy theorist herself, and the YouTube community actually despise her.

In the post you just quoted, I cited several different organisations who are peddling left-wing nonsense.

I don't see how it's specific to Alex Jones that what he says has real world consequences. Anything anybody says has real world consequences. You may not like the consequences of Alex Jones' speech, but at least have the decency of calling exactly that - your personal opinion and bias, and not something upon which he should be de-platformed.

I have already evaluated Alex Jones on his merits: I don't like him. I think he peddles ridiculous BS and shouldn't be taken seriously. I said this like 5 times. There are no if's or but's on that.

It feels to me like I'm not cherrypicking my responses - you're cherrypicking which of my responses to read. I can't control that. If you refuse to engage with my arguments and read my posts, I simply am not interested in furthering this debate. If the next post is not a substantial improvement over this one, this conversation will end.
 
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There is an issue here about which side of the political spectrum Alex Jones is on. That's the whole point I'm trying to make - YouTube would not and do not do this to crazy conspiracy theorists on the left. In fact, YouTube's CEO is a crazy left-wing conspiracy theorist herself, and the YouTube community actually despise her.

In the post you just quoted, I cited several different organisations who are peddling left-wing nonsense.

I don't see how it's specific to Alex Jones that what he says has real world consequences. Anything anybody says has real world consequences. You may not like the consequences of Alex Jones' speech, but at least have the decency of calling exactly that - your personal opinion and bias, and not something upon which he should be de-platformed.

I have already evaluated Alex Jones on his merits: I don't like him. I think he peddles ridiculous BS and shouldn't be taken seriously. I said this like 5 times. There are no if's or but's on that.

It feels to me like I'm not cherrypicking my responses - you're cherrypicking which of my responses to read. I can't control that. If you refuse to engage with my arguments and read my posts, I simply am not interested in furthering this debate. If the next post is not a substantial improvement over this one, this conversation will end.

I’m pretty sure actually that genuinely far left views get frozen out far more than right wing ones. I also doubt that anyone who is running a big business is “far left” by any reasonable definition.
 
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[doublepost=1533839007][/doublepost]I actually agree with that, but I can't exactly recall Alex Jones inciting violence. He's certainly got a violent and nasty audience from time to time though, but holding him accountable for that is pretty disingenuous; and if we did that to the left, it would friggin' implode. They've got Antifa, for cryin' out loud!

To be fair, I don't actually watch Alex Jones, so if he did incite violence within 12 hours of all the bans going up, my position will change. From all the evidence I can find though, he didn't. It was more of a "we've disliked him for a long time" kind of thing, and then they all decided to ban him simultaneously for things he hadn't done recently.

If someone actually goes online and posts death threats, I'm completely fine with banning them. I'm also fine with banning people who use insults, etc. I should say thanks to the mod who kept me within the rails earlier as well. It wasn't a very direct insult, but I'm happy to abide by the rules of this community. What I'm not happy about is selective enforcement based on political bias from the moderators, but MacRumors fortunately does not appear to have this problem.

All I'm saying is that the rules should be clear and enforced equally. That's it.

Again, false equivalency. Moral equivocation. Whataboutism.

https://qz.com/1335125/infowars-alex-jones-threatens-to-shoot-robert-mueller-in-his-latest-video/

I've already asked you to provide a tangible example on the left of Alex Jones's rhetoric that has resulted in equivalent actions by audience members. Just because you feel like there is a double standard doesn't make it so.

Also, as I pointed out in an earlier post, you should read Infowars Terms of Service. Specifically:

“We may review and delete any content you post on the Website or elsewhere utilizing our Services or System if we determine, in our sole discretion, that the content violates the rights of others, is not appropriate for the Website,”

“If you violate these rules, your posts and/or user name will be deleted. Remember: you are a guest here. It is not censorship if you violate the rules and your post is deleted. All civilizations have rules and if you violate them you can expect to be ostracized from the tribe.”

The irony is profound.
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There is an issue here about which side of the political spectrum Alex Jones is on. That's the whole point I'm trying to make - YouTube would not and do not do this to crazy conspiracy theorists on the left. In fact, YouTube's CEO is a crazy left-wing conspiracy theorist herself, and the YouTube community actually despise her.

In the post you just quoted, I cited several different organisations who are peddling left-wing nonsense.

I don't see how it's specific to Alex Jones that what he says has real world consequences. Anything anybody says has real world consequences. You may not like the consequences of Alex Jones' speech, but at least have the decency of calling exactly that - your personal opinion and bias, and not something upon which he should be de-platformed.

I have already evaluated Alex Jones on his merits: I don't like him. I think he peddles ridiculous BS and shouldn't be taken seriously. I said this like 5 times. There are no if's or but's on that.

It feels to me like I'm not cherrypicking my responses - you're cherrypicking which of my responses to read. I can't control that. If you refuse to engage with my arguments and read my posts, I simply am not interested in furthering this debate. If the next post is not a substantial improvement over this one, this conversation will end.

Sorry, you are not citing any examples that correlate to Alex Jones real world impact. And yes, you are cherry picking. I have directly addressed each of your points, including your point about not condoning Alex Jones. You are simply generally citing examples of political ideology you happen to disagree with. But you continue to engage in false equivalencies. This kind of muddying the waters is the essence of whataboutism. I can't help it if you don't understand that.
 
Whataboutism attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving the argument. Accusing an organization of bias (i.e. Youtube, FB etc.) and therefore a double standard is the same as charging them with hypocrisy. Both of you are engaging in this and thus whataboutism.

There is simply no equivalent to Alex Jones infowars on the web on the left or on the right. Your attempt to draw an equivalence with The Young Turks is a gross mischaracterization and exaggeration. The kind of hatred and incitement propagated by Alex Jones has had real world consequences. Both Pizzagate and harassment of Sandy Hook families are tangible examples. There is no equivalent I am aware of with The Young Turks.

Both of you seem to be intelligent enough to understand the nuances in the case of Alex Jones. However, despite the fact that you indicate that you do not condone his views or actions, your attempts at drawing false equivalencies comes across as tacit approval. What you are engaging in is moral equivocation i.e. denying that a moral hierarchy can be assessed of two sides in a conflict, or in the actions or tactics of two sides when it clearly can. That is the same process that decent everyday Germans engaged in during the rise of Nazism.

You should both read up on philosopher Karl Popper's explanation of the 'Paradox of Tolerance'.

"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant."
If all are treated equally under the same terms of service, then I would still be pissed at the fact that YouTube is silencing voices, although what I'm unhappy about in this instance is that it is the right wing channels that are being chastised. Not only is InfoWars completely banned, other right wing or conservative channels are being shoved into a dark little corner on the website, removing them from most user's recommended lists, lowering them in search results, age restricting videos and demonetised (although admittedly this also affects left wing channels I would say to a similar degree).

I do "charge" YouTube with hypocrisy. No doubt about it. I just don't use my charge of hypocrisy against YouTube as a way to strengthen my argument on why InfoWars should not have been banned.

It's a bit like those people who scream "ad hominem" any time one party calls another party "names" or insults their character. When in reality it is just that...calling them names, not an attempt to strengthen any other arguments by using character attacks.
 
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If all are treated equally under the same terms of service, then I would still be pissed at the fact that YouTube is silencing voices, although what I'm unhappy about in this instance is that it is the right wing channels that are being chastised. Not only is InfoWars completely banned, other right wing or conservative channels are being shoved into a dark little corner on the website, removing them from most user's recommended lists, lowering them in search results, age restricting videos and demonetised (although admittedly this also affects left wing channels I would say to a similar degree).

I do "charge" YouTube with hypocrisy. No doubt about it. I just don't use my charge of hypocrisy against YouTube as a way to strengthen my argument on why InfoWars should not have been banned.

It's a bit like those people who scream "ad hominem" any time one party calls another party "names" or insults their character. When in reality it is just that...calling them names, not an attempt to strengthen any other arguments by using character attacks.

On the one hand you are saying that right wing channels are being chastised while in the same paragraph you are saying it affects left wing channels to a similar degree. If this is the case than how can you charge Youtube with hypocrisy?
 
On the one hand you are saying that right wing channels are being chastised while in the same paragraph you are saying it affects left wing channels to a similar degree. If this is the case than how can you charge Youtube with hypocrisy?
No that was only for the demonetisation part of that sentence. I apologise if that wasn't clear enough.
 
Ugh cry everyone a river. The man has lied, so what? He cannot control what his fans do. Unless he directly incited violence there is nothing wrong with what he has said. We get lied to by CNN, MSNBC, Fox News and many more MSM channels every single day. Sure they're not as extreme, but they have a strong agenda and so does Alex Jones. It's just a battle of lies, CNN gets away with staging stories all the time and no one bats an eye. I guess you only see what you wanna see.
Inciting violence and baiting crazy right-wingers into shooting people is not protected speech. And are you really comparing comparing CNN to Alex Jones? LOL. No one wanting to be taken seriously would make such an absurd comparison.

Radical right-wing propaganda has clearly done a number on you.
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I have never listened to or watched Alex Jones, but removing alternative POVs is idiotic. What exactly did he violate in Apple's terms anyway? The censors never tell you. Gotta be careful not to commit WrongThink!
Inciting violence and intentionally spreading lies. Just because you didn't bother to do 5 minutes of research doesn't mean that everything is a giant conspiracy to oppress radical right-wing snowflakes.
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“If you cut off a mans tongue, you aren’t proving him a liar. You’re just proving you’re afraid of what he may say.”

For anyone celebrating platforms silencing someone over political speech, you will have no ground to stand on when invariably someone goes after your political speech.

To me, labeling something as “hate speech” is just a poor attempt at trying to stifle free speech. Granted these are private companies not the government, but their oligopoly on media distribution makes them picking and choosing who they’ll silence worrisome.
Being able to choose who is allowed on your platform is another form of free speech. If you support free speech then you support Apple's move, because Apple is a private company and has rights too.

According to conservative logic Apple is not apparently allowed to remove incitements to violence and hate speech from their platform, but Trump is allowed to attack the free press on a daily basis. Hypocrisy.
 
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Correct.

And it's a shame that private companies will still bend to the wishes of the government to censor content they don't like.
So you’re saying the government made these companies remove InfoWars from their platforms?!? That’s the argument now? And, as usual, with no evidence.* Wow. Just. Wow.


* I forgot: nonproof is the same as proof because we can’t disprove it. For example: disprove that the nurse who delivered Milo Yiannopolis sneakily tried to give the newborn boy a hand job before placing him in his bassinet. Can’t? I guess it must be true.
 
That would get him banned on this not free speech forum.

Would it? Since you are so sure of it quote Jones but blank out the offending words and explain what you blanked out.

Just so everyone knows that you are choosing to ignore evidence contrary to what you believe, on the grounds that it's not in the form that you want to consume.

And just so everyone knows that I'm not being contrary, lazy, or stubborn. Jones posts carry an emotional layer that words on a page can't convey. If I write "they're trying to turn the frickin' frogs gay", it loses a lot without the audio of his voice. That layer adds a lot of crazy on its own.

It isn't a question of the form. It is that you have to identify what the actual offending words are. You can't just say they are somewhere in there. That isn't how proving a case works. The burden is on the person making the claim to clearly identify their claim.

Context does matter. But if all you have is the quote you provided that clearly isn't hate speech.
 
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Again, false equivalency. Moral equivocation. Whataboutism.

https://qz.com/1335125/infowars-alex-jones-threatens-to-shoot-robert-mueller-in-his-latest-video/

I've already asked you to provide a tangible example on the left of Alex Jones's rhetoric that has resulted in equivalent actions by audience members. Just because you feel like there is a double standard doesn't make it so.

Also, as I pointed out in an earlier post, you should read Infowars Terms of Service. Specifically:

“We may review and delete any content you post on the Website or elsewhere utilizing our Services or System if we determine, in our sole discretion, that the content violates the rights of others, is not appropriate for the Website,”

“If you violate these rules, your posts and/or user name will be deleted. Remember: you are a guest here. It is not censorship if you violate the rules and your post is deleted. All civilizations have rules and if you violate them you can expect to be ostracized from the tribe.”

The irony is profound.
And you have received it. By the way, the headline in that link is a straight-up lie. If you actually read the quote that it cites as the basis for its claim, it simply doesn't say what the headline says it says.

It does say that Jones wants to take down Mueller, but it doesn't say that he's going for to shoot him or even that they're going to have a cowboy-style showdown. That part is completely made up by gz.com. Unfortunately I can't review the evidence more closely myself, because YouTube deleted it. Whoops?

Those terms of service are exactly what I have a problem with. This is not a set of rules. This is basically saying "Civilizations have rules. Some have free speech, some do not. We don't. If we don't like you for whatever reason, then you're SoL."

That's an illegal contract.

I've already given you the names of several organisations who are known to have done this. If you Google them, it'll come right up. Since you're absolutely clamouring for an actual singular example where you don't have to do even the slightest detective work yourself, here you go with a couple:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016...e-killed-snipers-protest-160708034233850.html

Black Lives Matter killing 5 police officers. Black Lives Matter was taken over by radical feminists and black identitarians, and they were egged on by practically every single left-wing news organisation in the west.

Here are some lovely tweets from the New York Times' new editor in chief:
https://i.redd.it/jp272mvc0pd11.jpg

These quotes do not bear repeating in this post.

How about #KillAllMen, egged on by The Telegraph editor.

Tim Hunt was harassed into having to apologize after getting a Nobel Prize because of a comics shirt he wore, which was made by his wife incidentally, that The Guardian decided was not feminist enough - thus inciting a colossal hatemob on Twitter that made him break down in tears on the day of his life's greatest accomplishment?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...male-scientists-cause-trouble-for-men-in-labs

Anita Sarkeesian of Feminist Frequency started a hatemob that drove Joss Whedon off of Twitter. In public he denies her having anything to do with it, but everyone who saw it unfold know what happened.
https://www.themarysue.com/joss-whedon-why-he-left-twitter/

How about Steve Scalise getting shot by a radical left winger:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting#cite_note-7

His favourite shows included "Real Time With Bill Maher", noted for saying that he disliked Donald Trump so much he wanted the whole country to go into such a deep recession that we would have to depose him, "The Rachel Maddow Show", and "Democracy Now!". He was also a member of a Facebook group called "Terminate the Republican Party", which frequently incites to violence against them.

Madonna has said she hopes someone will shoot up the white house.

I could go on and on and on but by goodness me am I bored now.

Sorry, you are not citing any examples that correlate to Alex Jones real world impact. And yes, you are cherry picking. I have directly addressed each of your points, including your point about not condoning Alex Jones. You are simply generally citing examples of political ideology you happen to disagree with. But you continue to engage in false equivalencies. This kind of muddying the waters is the essence of whataboutism. I can't help it if you don't understand that.
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