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Alex Jones is admittedly a less likely source of truthful information in comparison to CNN, but it really is irrelevant.
Riiiight. A program whose goal is to deceive is equivalent to a program whose goal is to inform, even though they sometimes blunder. And moving on from CNN, we’re now supposed to infer that the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times do the same thing and should be written off too. No facts, all bias, so the truth is what we individually decide it is based on what we want it to be. Again, well done. *wink wink* Great character. Lol!
 
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CNN doesn’t report the truth. Ex: Tuesday’s elections. Not a single video on the topic was posted on their site. Why? Because trump won. Trust me if any of the states republicans would have lost CNN would be all over it.

A) A swing of more than ten points in favor of the Democrats is hardly a Trump win. More “wins” like that in November and the Democrats will take back the House decisively.

B) CNN has multiple videos on their web site regarding Tuesday’s results.
 
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The deplatforming of Alex Jones is frankly the scariest thing I've ever seen. Now, personally I think he's completely crazy and stupid, and I think many others do as well, but this is important:

Silicon Valley can cooperate to control so much of our media consumption across the entire western world, that in just 12 hours they can literally entirely erase someone from virtually every social media platform in existence.

That is completely crazy, and something has to be done about that.
 
The deplatforming of Alex Jones is frankly the scariest thing I've ever seen. Now, personally I think he's completely crazy and stupid, and I think many others do as well, but this is important:

Silicon Valley can cooperate to control so much of our media consumption across the entire western world, that in just 12 hours they can literally entirely erase someone from virtually every social media platform in existence.

That is completely crazy, and something has to be done about that.


But, but... he said something insensitive! :rolleyes:
 
Riiiight. A program whose goal is to deceive is equivalent to a program whose goal is to inform, even though they sometimes blunder. And moving on from CNN, we’re now supposed to infer that the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times do the same thing and should be written off too. No facts, all bias, so the truth is what we individually decide it is based on what we want it to be. Again, well done. *wink wink* Great character. Lol!
You actually think CNN's goal is to inform and not to perform political spin?

These media companies are not even close to breaking even when you compare their expenditure with their income. They're all controlled by giant corporations who fund everything they do, and their politics are coloured by this. Much of the slant on the stories you read in the news is informed by the politics of those who own it, and of course none of them really talk about corporatism and the damage that it does (and it does a lot).

All these news outlets are very biased, and they have been caught wilfully lying over and over and over again. Do not even think for a second, that you are getting an accurate view of the world, if you're just watching a few of these news channels. To get an accurate picture, you need the friends in the area, the internet, lots of google-fu, and then the news can help you fill in the blanks.
 
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I’m curious where Jones’ defenders draw the line. If I started a “Heil Hitler” podcast and argued that we should force all American Jews into concentration camps, should Apple have to include it in iTunes?
 
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I’m curious where Jones’ defenders draw the line. If I started a “Heil Hitler” podcast and argued that we should force all American Jews into concentration camps, should Apple have to include it in iTunes?

It's not a line, it's a circle that runs throughout the political spectrum. If you want to draw it under AJ, then you will also have to draw it under similar left leaning groups that incite hatred and lie - but for some reason no one wants to do that.

They want to set one bar for the things they agree with but a higher bar for things they don't. They don't seem to realise the axe has two blades that cut evenly.

If they want to ban AJ then they should also ban Antifa.
If they want to ban Fox then they should also ban CNN.
If they want to ban racism against blacks, then they should also ban racism against whites.

So on and so forth, but you'll never hear them operate like this. They simply want to silence the opposition whilst maintaining a platform for their own brand of extremism.
 
When we openly allow and praise the the power to suppress controversial ideas, we are all subject to censorship. Mark this in your calendar, one day we will look back and wonder when did it all go wrong or what is even true?
 
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I’m curious where Jones’ defenders draw the line. If I started a “Heil Hitler” podcast and argued that we should force all American Jews into concentration camps, should Apple have to include it in iTunes?
Don’t be naïve. They wouldn’t care because it probably wouldn’t affect them personally. They’d start caring if you started a podcast describing how you know their mothers teach little girls fellatio on dogs, and how listeners should do everything in their power to stop them, violently if necessary. Once the angry mob shows up at their doorstep, it all changes and suddenly actual truth matters.
 
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Don’t be naïve. They wouldn’t care because it probably wouldn’t affect them personally. They’d start caring if you started a podcast describing how you know their mothers teach little girls fellatio on dogs, and how listeners should do everything in their power to stop them, violently if necessary. Once the angry mob shows up at their doorstep, it all changes and suddenly actual truth matters.

uhhhh, wat?
 
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When we openly allow and praise the the power to suppress controversial ideas, we are all subject to censorship. Mark this in your calendar, one day we will look back and wonder when did it all go wrong or what is even true?
On the other hand, maybe distortion of truth begins when we look at dispassionate field reporting and shock jock opinion shows as equals, when we sneer at education and equate observable evidence with gut instinct.

By the way, I’m happy to debate a controversial idea in good faith (affirmative action, for example, either pro or con). But if I were to go on the radio and announce that I know your father murdered my cousin and we should all stop him before he murders again, that’s not a “controversial idea.”
 
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Different opinions do not bother me. Say what you want.

Removing content and silencing people? Now you’ve got a war. Especially when you grandstand about being inclusive of all people and opinions.


Being intolerant of intolerance is no vice.

Also, I would ask you if you haven't seen or heard any of Jones' videos or podcasts, please listen for yourself. (They are still available on his website).
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I have never listened to or watched Alex Jones, but removing alternative POVs is idiotic. What exactly did he violate in Apple's terms anyway? The censors never tell you. Gotta be careful not to commit WrongThink!


No amount of arguing by us here will make it clear for you. You have to experience it for yourself. Then, if after that, you still don't see a problem, then that's on you.
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He did not incite harassment AFAIK. Saying it "led to" something occurring is quite a stretch. People can hear any news they want and them make any number of dumb decisions based on it.


Have you ever heard of "pizzagate"? That was Jones, too.
 
Different opinions do not bother me. Say what you want.

Removing content and silencing people? Now you’ve got a war. Especially when you grandstand about being inclusive of all people and opinions.
And if my opinion on the radio is that you’re a child pimp and should be stopped, may I still say what I want? I actually want to know if you think so.

[N.B. I’m not saying that!]
 
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I agree with the previous posters in that I have no interest in Alex Jones or any of the opinions he shares. However, I detest censorship far more. When a handful of companies can form a virtual monopoly and control the vast majority of social media and arbitrarily decide who can be heard, that's a big problem.


Untrue. You can still hear him on his own damn website.
 
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I wonder whether everyone in favour of banning AJ is also in favour of banning Islamic podcasts that also lie and preach hatred?

I wonder.... :rolleyes:


Once you define a rule, that rule must apply to all.
 
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Riiiight. A program whose goal is to deceive is equivalent to a program whose goal is to inform, even though they sometimes blunder. And moving on from CNN, we’re now supposed to infer that the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times do the same thing and should be written off too. No facts, all bias, so the truth is what we individually decide it is based on what we want it to be. Again, well done. *wink wink* Great character. Lol!
Do you remember the PewDiePie scandal that the WSJ caused? or the new hire at the NY Times that's a blatant racist? Can't wait to see what kind of objective articles she's going to produce! hahahahaha
 
Not to mention the tech giants are all bending over backwards to appease China, going so far as to develop censorship technology that will be used by the dictatorship to censor criticism of the government.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if China starts putting pressure on Facebook, Google, Apple to start censoring critiques of China within the United States (or globally).
Google is already going back to China and following the censorship rule. Didn’t see the Google fanboys saying anything. :shrug:
 
Why are his followers that stupid that they can’t find his website? Oh wait...
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Playing lawyer on the internet rarely turns out well.
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You can think that but Republicans spent millions of dollars and years of valuable congressional time and came up with wait for it... nothing. Thinking she committed crimes and you actually having proof, then use that unproven thinking to censor someone is so American to the typical Trump supporter. Not to mention Killing kids in the USA is just like a terrorist attack in a foreign country that killed people who knew the risks? Wow.
You managed to respond to two posts of mine yet failing to make any argument of substance against either point. Well done.
 
Do you remember the PewDiePie scandal that the WSJ caused? or the new hire at the NY Times that's a blatant racist? Can't wait to see what kind of objective articles she's going to produce! hahahahaha

Someone quoted her but changed 'white' to 'black' and they were banned pretty much instantly. Same thing with 'white' to 'jewish'

It's all double standards, that's what I can't stand. I don't even agree or like AJ but what's happening to him is unbelievable!
 
How about siccing his insane followers on the grieving parents of a dead toddler, who they accuse of being “crisis actors”, and harassing these poor bereaved people to the point where they need to move multiple times. Does that bother you?

Or how about inciting a shooting at a random pizza parlor with insane conspiracy theory crap that he knowingly peddles to the mentally disturbed? Does that bother you?

This world is so screwed. Thank you, Apple, for making a slight gesture to maintain human decency and stop the violence.
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Good? That sounds like an Alex Jones problem, not an Apple problem. Stop trying to force private companies to host hateful nonsense that has demonstrably incited violence.
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Congrats, this is actually the worst thing I’ve read on the internet all day. Disgusting.
"That has demonstrably incited violence"??? You're telling me that whatever InfoWars posted to one of their channels has caused someone to incite violence? Good thing that's not illegal then.

Oh and lol @ the "hateful nonsense" part! hahaha
 
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Ugh cry everyone a river. The man has lied, so what? He cannot control what his fans do. Unless he directly incited violence there is nothing wrong with what he has said. We get lied to by CNN, MSNBC, Fox News and many more MSM channels every single day. Sure they're not as extreme, but they have a strong agenda and so does Alex Jones. It's just a battle of lies, CNN gets away with staging stories all the time and no one bats an eye. I guess you only see what you wanna see.


Jones is not a red state/ blue state issue.
 
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Someone quoted her but changed 'white' to 'black' and they were banned pretty much instantly. Same thing with 'white' to 'jewish'

It's all double standards, that's what I can't stand. I don't even agree or like AJ but what's happening to him is unbelievable!
Yep that was Candace Owens a black conservative who posted that. Absolutely disgusting.
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Jones is not a red state/ blue state issue.
Never said it was.
 
It's not a line, it's a circle that runs throughout the political spectrum. If you want to draw it under AJ, then you will also have to draw it under similar left leaning groups that incite hatred and lie - but for some reason no one wants to do that.

They want to set one bar for the things they agree with but a higher bar for things they don't. They don't seem to realise the axe has two blades that cut evenly.

If they want to ban AJ then they should also ban Antifa.
If they want to ban Fox then they should also ban CNN.
If they want to ban racism against blacks, then they should also ban racism against whites.

So on and so forth, but you'll never hear them operate like this. They simply want to silence the opposition whilst maintaining a platform for their own brand of extremism.

There are no comparable left-leaning groups with a media presence anything like that of InfoWars.
 
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