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Personally idc about RCS or SMS....I am texting. There is nothing i am worried about my text being hijacked or hacked. So for me SMS/MMS does not bother me. I also have telegram and other apps if i want to send something risque.

You don’t get it, do you? YOU’RE NOT JUST TEXTING; that’s a rather narrow and miopic view. When you use imessage (or whatsapp or signal on the android side of the hall) you’re not just texting, you’re also sending audios and HD pictures and videos, and reacting to what others send to you. And it’s all encrypted. You don’t get any of that using SMS. You get some, but not all, with RCS. Don’t you see/feel that difference when you use SMS? not yo mention that some people get charged for sms, not all have an unlimited mobile plan.
 
Then why are most american iphone users ignoring those competitive alternatives and limiting themselves to imessage and sms only?
Because these competing alternatives are inferior to iMessage in some way (privacy, functionality, cost, etc.) .. or some prefer sms from a carrier over an app from less known or less trusted companies. I’m curious, what do you think the answer is?
 
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Maybe you aren’t, but lots of other americans don’t use anything other than sms to message their non-apple contacts. And many of those people haven’t even heard about whatsapp or signal. That’s partly Apple’s fault.
Seriously? How is someone’s purported ignorance of WhatsApp and Signal Apple’s fault? 🤔
 
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I don't see an obligation for the various companies to do it, but I do see governments needing to enforce something like that, just like the USA enforced phone lines for every community and now are doing the same with internet connections. Common good type things that both help the people communicate, and infrastructure that can be relied on for 2fa, announcements, ..., maybe even voting eventually. It just makes sense that everyone should be able to communicate with anyone else, and that's a good thing. Default communication tool enforced at the country level.
Hmm .. Everyone can already communicate with everyone else via too many options to name. I get it that it’s not seamless because the feature set is different from option to option and that standardization can reduce friction; but it is an established fact that variation drives innovation (in both natural and man-made systems) — the best of which eventually becomes widely adopted and thereby benefitting the whole. A argument for a mandated default communication system sounds good, but is at odds with what we know works — even if the process is messy.
 
I don't see an obligation for the various companies to do it, but I do see governments needing to enforce something like that, just like the USA enforced phone lines for every community and now are doing the same with internet connections. Common good type things that both help the people communicate, and infrastructure that can be relied on for 2fa, announcements, ..., maybe even voting eventually. It just makes sense that everyone should be able to communicate with anyone else, and that's a good thing. Default communication tool enforced at the country level.
You just described SMS...
 
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Seriously? How is someone’s purported ignorance of WhatsApp and Signal Apple’s fault? 🤔
Most people don’t even know what the green and blue bubbles mean. Because of that, they think they’re using imessage regardless of the bubble color and don’t care to look for alternatives to message their non-iphone contacts. All that because Apple had to put sms and imessage in the same app. As someone else just said: The only benefit of the green bubbles is to let everyone in a group know who’s to blame for messing things up.
 
You probably don't send or receive media files via text with android contacts. A lot of people do around here, and that's what doesn't work. (and group chats via SMS)
I do. Pictures and video are just fine. We share pet pictures daily.
 
I am thinking this is beating that old horse to death.
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Considering this is an apple enthusiast site I’m not sure why you’re shocked. That’s like me going to androidcentral and shocked that they don’t share my sentiments about android being inferior.
I'm glad we agree. Where are we now with?

"Nobody over the age of 18 is judging people for using an Android."
 
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In truth Apple marketing have pushed this idea that green bubbles equal "broke" and "poor" in the United States, I have no doubts they've pushed this idea on social media platforms for years and its worked.

Apple talks about security and privacy but still uses SMS and has yet given Google the go ahead on the AirTag finder ffs 🤣

However, RCS is the right direction and Google already has E2EE on their messages app so let's hope they work with Google to make it cross platform but faster than what they've been with the AirTag stuff.
 
I'm glad we agree. Where are we now with?

"Nobody over the age of 18 is judging people for using an Android."
How is that implying Android users are inferior? You seem to be trying(and failing) to find a point to grasp on to.

I think shopping at Walmart is terrible because their food quality is infeiror to say Wholefoods or Publix....I dont judge people who shop there.

Apple talks about security and privacy but still uses SMS and has yet given Google the go ahead on the AirTag finder ffs 🤣

However, RCS is the right direction and Google already has E2EE on their messages app so let's hope they work with Google to make it cross platform but faster than what they've been with the AirTag stuff.
For whatever reason, I am a par tof an androdi Sub on reddit (why idk). Out of like 300 subs i am a member of, what caught my eye was a discussion on my home page about RCS and Imessage and Google vs Apple.

Shockingly, android users there seemed a little more level headed (and less Anti-iphone/Apple) than Android users are on Macrumors.

But something several users said actually made me go hmm. Android users (On here) praise RCS as greatly superior but several Android users have said that even now RCS is still not reliable. Several users could go send another user a RCS message only for the message never to get sent because its ability to fall back on SMS/MMS is not reliable.

It made me think about when I used my Galaxy and the little clock icon would be there for ages and I would have to go back and make sure the message sends. I got all this information from an Android Enthusiast site.
 
No they’re not. SMS/MMS only allows low quality pictures and videos, not HD as in imessage, whatsapp, signal, etc.
Any pics i have sent and received from Android have been quality pics. I think one video i got recently was terrible but i honestly think that was because my friend was using some cheap old android from cricket.
 
People were paying 50% to distributors to hold a CD on the shelf an had none of the services the App Store provides today.
You seem to be intentionally misunderstanding here...

Regular customers downloading apps from the internet (no CD required) predates Apple's App Store by over a decade. Your arguments about CDs are a strawman argument.

But I'm going to go after them anyways - a distributor holding a CD costs quite a bit more than storing a digital file. And the cost doesn't substancially go down with volume - selling 100 CDs costs several times more than selling 10 CDs.

Apple's costs are little to nothing. We already know that if not for Apple's rules that force all distribution through their App Store, there would be competiting stores of just as high quality charging less than 40% of what Apple does. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Apple's monopoly ending caused there to be equally high quality stores charging only 20% as much as Apple does. Which says nothing of all of the much higher quality stores that would spring into existence, which would probably also charge less than Apple does.


You know Apple is operating a monopoly, because if Apple changed the rules, the competition would slaughter them on price and quality, to the benefit of every developer and phone user. Within the context of the app store, all Apple does is seek rent.
 
You seem to be intentionally misunderstanding here...
No I disagree with the way you are framing this argument.
Regular customers downloading apps from the internet (no CD required) predates Apple's App Store by over a decade. Your arguments about CDs are a strawman argument.
Your arguments about regular customers downloading programs from the internet are just as much of a strawman.
But I'm going to go after them anyways - a distributor holding a CD costs quite a bit more than storing a digital file. And the cost doesn't substancially go down with volume - selling 100 CDs costs several times more than selling 10 CDs.
The point is the app store becomes a digital market place, same as Amazon. I shouldn’t have to explain a digital marketplace.
Apple's costs are little to nothing.
What you believe their costs are are irrelevant.
We already know that if not for Apple's rules that force all distribution through their App Store, there would be competiting stores of just as high quality charging less than 40% of what Apple does.
Pure speculation. Also an added bonus would be malware, scammware and fake ware.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Apple's monopoly ending caused there to be equally high quality stores charging only 20% as much as Apple does. Which says nothing of all of the much higher quality stores that would spring into existence, which would probably also charge less than Apple does.
I would be surprised if apples legal monopoly ended.
You know Apple is operating a monopoly, because if Apple changed the rules, the competition would slaughter them on price and quality, to the benefit of every developer and phone user. Within the context of the app store, all Apple does is seek rent.
That’s not the definition of a monopoly. (Maybe it’s the common internet definition but not the legal one)
 
Must be nice to be able to talk for everyone.
Ironice you say that. If i can't talk for everyone (fair) then what makes you or others able to talk for everyone and say kids are being bullied over a green bubble.

Because from what I am gathering from Macrumors, these aren't kids replying. These are grown adults who are literally bothered they arent getting dates and may be left out of chats because of green bubbles.

I'm just saying.
 
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