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Apple Confirms Mac Pro Is Dead, No Future Models Planned

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The same can be said for Mac Pro. If Apple thinks it’s worthy to design an enclosure that’s cheaper to manufacture than the 3D honeycomb and reduces the number of expansion slots, then who knows what the future holds.
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I think that’s being overly optimistic. You’re right to reference the expense of the current enclosure though, and I’m surprised that no one else is talking about that (at least I haven’t seen it mentioned). When Apple ditched plastic enclosures entirely (aside from the Apple TV), I’m guessing that added a massive increase in manufacturing costs over the old plastic ones. Other PC makers can go with far less expensive boxes, whether they use metal or plastic, because they don’t share Apple’s aesthetic ego standards. Whether that impacted sales figures much, I wouldn’t have a clue, but it could be one of the reasons this became such a niche product—something Apple doesn’t like to tolerate these days.
 
Happy_John said:
As were talking about Mac Pro, power consumption of Mac desktop machines has gone down, not up, since the 5,1 (granted, with a massive upwards blip with a fully loaded 7,1, but could be obsene when fully loaded),

O don’t you’re going to see any Apple boxes bigger than the Studio on the foreseeable future.

We probably will see multiple boxes in arrays
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We are nowhere near needing the 1280W PSU of the 7,1 or even the 980W PSU of the 5,1. However, we could easily see 600W needed for a single Ultra chip. If Apple ever made a dual CPU computer or doubled the core count for a theoretical Extreme chip, we could easily be back there. But think of the performance-per-watt!
 
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1d1otic said:
Apple Silicon is dead while they cant even make high-end GPU and workstation GPU with up to 4 slots. Mac Studio is far from replacing Mac Pro. Clearly, they killed their own B2B markets after all.
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I have felt for a couple years that AS is a dead end street with a brick wall at the end. But it’s a long street and it’s foggy, so Apple doesn’t know.

Unless they can find another paradigm shift that allows them to make a hard right or left turn, they are hemming themselves in.

They will get passed by and not be able to catch up. It’s already starting to happen. Small increment speed increases every year aren’t going to cut it eventually. That you have professional people with M1s not knowing if even an M5 is worth the upgrade is kinda sad. M5s should be so much better that it’s a no brainer. But instead the computers are just getting more expensive and slightly better each year.
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Not the same product or specs
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I think you are missing their point. The Studio isn’t the same as a Pro either, but it’s replacing it.

So the replacement for the Pro Display (intended to be paired with the Pro tower) is named a Studio display intended to be paired with the Studio. And it’s not quite as high end in intentions.

Wonder if the rumored super special OLED MacBook will also be MacBook Studio as well?
 
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visualseed said:
We are nowhere near needing the 1280W PSU of the 7,1 or even the 980W PSU of the 5,1. However, we could easily see 600W needed for a single Ultra chip. If Apple ever made a dual CPU computer or doubled the core count for a theoretical Extreme chip, we could easily be back there. But think the performance-per-watt!
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I don’t think well’ll see bigger boxes fem Apple.at most a Studio with the current footprint, but the dimensions of a full cube.

What I think is we’ll see are arrays of Studios, rather than supersized studios.

I don’t think we’ll see a single Apple box that sucks more than 1000w - and I think they’d be able to get a PSU into the existing firm factor to provide that.
 
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jbc25 said:
A very small but very loud minority kept whining about the Pro desktops and claiming Apple was abandoning their pro users if they didn't release a new/better version. Apple has probably learned their lesson after this and the iPhone mini.
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Presumably the iPhone Air will follow the same fate too
 
offdwall said:
Not surprising. Once Apple went with the unified architecture of the M series the Mac Pro was dead. There are a few of us in the pro audio/video world that would have loved a modern M5 Extreme Mac Pro that could handle multiple PCI cards without resorting to an external chassis but the fact that graphics, storage and ram are unified, it defeats the purpose of the Pro.

Still using a 2019 Intel Mac Pro rack with two Avid HDX cards, two UAD Octo cards and an 8TB M.2 SSD PCI raid. The Mac Studio with an external chassis that’s in my not so distant future will not be a cool looking, well designed or quiet.
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what is your plan be going forward, multiple Thunderbolt PCIe Chassis?
 
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Why couldn't they be this direct and clear when they were waiting 6 years to make another one or not?
Why do they have to discontinue a product to become clear about it's future?
 
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tutubibi said:
Possible for sure. Ultra works for professional, demanding and status-chasing users. However, not sure if they would go all the way and have iPad Ultra or iPhone Ultra.
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True, it just seems odd to have Studio as the flagship desktop Mac now? To maybe they’ll just call it the Studio Ultra with the Ultra chip?
 
ikramerica said:
I have felt for a couple years that AS is a dead end street with a brick wall at the end. But it’s a long street and it’s foggy, so Apple doesn’t know.

Unless they can find another paradigm shift that allows them to make a hard right or left turn, they are hemming themselves in.

They will get passed by and not be able to catch up. It’s already starting to happen. Small increment speed increases every year aren’t going to cut it eventually. That you have professional people with M1s not knowing if even an M5 is worth the upgrade is kinda sad. M5s should be so much better that it’s a no brainer. But instead the computers are just getting more expensive and slightly better each year.

I think you are missing their point. The Studio isn’t the same as a Pro either, but it’s replacing it.

So the replacement for the Pro Display (intended to be paired with the Pro tower) is named a Studio display intended to be paired with the Studio. And it’s not quite as high end in intentions.

Wonder if the rumored super special OLED MacBook will also be MacBook Studio as well?
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Meh.

Motorola 68K-> PPC -> intel -> AS -> a newer type of chip architecture

Saying that AS is a dead-end is not a “gotcha”, it’s just the cycle that’s repeatmg

Te huge difference now is simply that Apple are now big enough to own whatever architecture they use, rather than buying it.

Of course there’s be new architecture at some point. That’s not a dramatic disaster, that’s just life.
 
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Feel bad for whomever blew so much money on these things. $700 wheels and everything. Like a cruel joke.
 
The comments are amusing. I bet not one person here owns the Apple Silicon version of the Mac Pro. That version of the Mac Pro was dead on day one. A $3,000 price hike over the Intel version, and the Apple Silicon version offered no RAM expansion, very very very limited PCIe card expansion options, no GPU upgrade options, and ridiculously overpriced SSD upgrade options, but only from Apple. The $1,999 Mac Studio was faster too. Since Apple Silicon does not allow GPU upgrades, the Mac Pro was pointless at $7,000. You knew it was doomed when Apple abandoned it with the M2 Ultra.

Apple Silicon is what killed the Mac Pro. The 2019 Intel Mac Pro offered RAM expansion, storage expansion, and you can throw pretty much any PCIe card in it and go, and upgrade the GPU as better cards became available. It offered everything that a minitower should offer. It fixed everything wrong with the 2013 Trashcan. But, Apple did jack up the price on that one too, starting at $5K. Twice as much as the previous Mac Pro, just for Jony Ive's design. The $800 wheels just proved how out of touch Jony Ive was with reality. Apple's best Pro desktops were the Power Mac G3, G4, G5, and 2006 to 2012 Intel Mac Pros. Apple Silicon Macs are blazing fast and efficient, but a big zero for expansion capabilities.
 
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I can only hope this is partially to streamline the offerings. Create a first party external GPU/PCIe expansion and give it options to stack nicely with the Studio (or stand alone with other machines) and sell them as a pro bundle or something.
 
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This was 100% predictable, giving the Studio the same hardware options and raising the Mac Pro to be basically double the price was guaranteed to kill it's viability.

Only advantage was the PCI built in and a bay, but Thunderbolt ports and a custom enclosure can easily be hooked to the Studio.
 
Is the M5 Ultra even confirmed? If not, then I wonder whether this announcement might foreshadow other changes in the Mac desktop line. Perhaps, without the Ultra, we're going to see a new Mac Studio that switches to just the M5 Pro and Max, with the Mac mini being limited to just the M5 (like the current iMacs).

Plus, if the Mac mini tops out with the standard M5 that would leave room for an even lower cost A-series Mac mini (Mac Neo?).

They may do this to contain costs and in any case the M5 Max is already faster than the existing M3 Ultra. Plus, it would force semi- "Pro" users who might consider the Mac mini to upgrade to the Studio.
 
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