Apple Confirms Rich Notifications Will Come to Devices Without 3D Touch

[CWallace]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I cannot imagine any possible world where Steve Jobs would have approved this nonsense.

I guess it depends if Steve wanted to grow the market for Apple's products or was content to let the company stagnate and cede marketshare to others. Because this "nonsense" is what is driving Apple's sales - more and more of their current and potential customer base likes this "nonsense" and will look elsewhere if Apple doesn't offer it.

(And for the record, most of iOS 10's announcement was a yawner for me as I'll never use those social networking features, but more and more of Apple's customer base does).

 

[Tech198]

oh man.... u have have won this round Apple..

 

[C DM]

I feel like this whole thing is so insecure that I won't want to leave my phone anywhere around my workplace anymore!

Doesn't seem to be any more than what it's like now, with various controls available to configure things.

 

[CWallace]

Doesn't seem to be any more than what it's like now, with various controls available to configure things.

Agreed - after the San Bernadino Bruhaha, the last thing I expect Apple to do is soften the security in iOS.

 

[MH01]

Can anyone explain to me why a "3D touch" gesture cannot simply be replaced with a long press? In all of the experience I have had with 3D Touch on a 6s, I did not see one time where a long press would not work just as well as a force touch. The time delay of a force touch is more then adequate for a long press gesture.

Apple is a hardware company, by implementing 3D Touch gesture with a long press would mean that feature would be available on all its devices. This way they can offer hardware in newer devices and entice you to upgrade. Don't forget, apples goal is to push units out the door each year.

Apple is realising people have less reason to update each year as the CPU/GPUs have reached a point where they can last many years and be a smooth experiece, hence they need to entice is with exclusive features in new models.

This is like the Siri implementation in the 4S..... It could have worked on the 4.

 

[2457248]

these rich notifications will pave the way to a future phone that won't need separate unlocking anymore, but will automatically recognize the user from his/her fingertips touching the screen.
if true it will be very cool

 

[djlythium]

Well they probably didnt want the iPhone SE to miss out on another feature...

Yea, I was waiting for information about this. I have no intention on getting a 3D Touch-capable phone until I have to, which will be a long time, hopefully.

 

[nope7308]

I guess it depends if Steve wanted to grow the market for Apple's products or was content to let the company stagnate and cede marketshare to others. Because this "nonsense" is what is driving Apple's sales - more and more of their current and potential customer base likes this "nonsense" and will look elsewhere if Apple doesn't offer it.

(And for the record, most of iOS 10's announcement was a yawner for me as I'll never use those social networking features, but more and more of Apple's customer base does).

I understand the strategy, I just think it's terribly misguided. Apple under SJ was successful precisely because he didn't focus on market growth; he focused on developing great products that created new markets altogether. Therein lies the difference. He didn't give people a faster horse.

Apple under Tim Cook is trying to plug a hole on a slowly sinking ship. Instead, they should be thinking of rebuilding the bloody hull.

God, that was a terrible analogy. Still better than WWDC, though!

 

[sinsin07]

Would be really nice if people stop with the Steve flashbacks.

No one knows what Steve would or would not have done.

 

[CWallace]

I understand the strategy, I just think it's terribly misguided. Apple under SJ was successful precisely because he didn't focus on market growth; he focused on developing great products that created new markets altogether. Therein lies the difference. He didn't give people a faster horse.

Fair point, but he changed his views on more than one occasion and his support of the creation of the App Store in many ways allowed the creation of new markets that in turn drove greater adoption of Apple hardware.

As such, if he was still with us today with the current dominance of social networking (Facebook, Twitter, WeChat, etc.), I wonder if he would have been okay with offering "simple" applications or if he would have supported a "richer" (if more complex) experience that aligned with where a significant portion of the market was moving?

 

[kyleh22]

This "bloat" is what is driving the rapid and massive adoption of messaging apps like WeChat, SnapChat and others. If Apple doesn't offer similar functionality, a significant portion of their userbase will not use iMessages anymore and, perhaps down the road, will not use iOS devices.

I have no use for any of this, myself, but folks like myself are probably becomming the minority of messaging users on iOS.

If people want that bloated experience they can use those services. I think the majority of people that use WeChat, StapChat, etc. still use messages as their primary messaging service because it is so simplistic. Those other services are great at being what they are, but IMO they are not good at being a default messaging platform.
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"Simplicity" was becoming a cancer among the majority of users, who with all the reason demanded more features. They're delivering and getting in-line with competition.

The new emoji size might nag a little, but otherwise no one is forcing you to either use the app or its new features. If your friends are anything like you, they won't either.

But not adding features is one of the most mediocre things i can think of, and the surely aren't stopping only because persons like you are obsessed with "clean,superior and simple looks" over functionality. And thank god for that

I don't agree with the "if you don't like it, don't use it" argument. By having an iPhone I'm almost forced to use messages as it is so embedded into the iPhone's core functionality.

I'm not recommending that they don't add features, sorry for that confusion. Adding features for the sake of adding features doesn't seem like the right move to me. I was simply suggesting that this bedazzled fireworks may be a step in the wrong direction. If Apple has done their Homework and they have data to support that the majority of users are demanding the ability to shoot fireworks and send finger drawn messages to each other within the default messaging app than I will hold my tongue.
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Have you used the app? Much of the complexity is hidden behind buttons.

I only saw the demo. In the demo, it looked overwhelming to be the default messaging app. I just hope this isn't an Apple music repeat as I rely on messages 1000s of times per day.

 

[576316]

This is the one thing making me doubt my decision to hold onto my 6 Plus until next year. I have a feeling Apple are going to make it harder and harder to have a device without 3D Touch. Because that's what they do.

 

[timeconsumer]

really are loving the lockscreen now.

can't wait to try it when the public beta is out

Same, the lock screen looks nice and I really like the lock screen widgets. That will be nice to have access to more information with just a swipe to the left (I believe it is).

Completely unrelated to the post I quoted... But as far as the iMessage complaints, I understand where people are coming from. I love the current implementation of the Messages app; the simplicity. But let's be honest, Apple had to implement these because all of the other chat apps have a lot of the features already. Apple is trying to expand and to gain more popularity around the world it was inevitable for Apple to exclude these.

 

[nfortna]

So they remove certain Force Touch gestures on WatchOS 3, add new 3D touch gestures in iOS 10, but no one knows where it works and where it doesn't, and 6S owners keep complaining that they never use it. This whole thing is a huge mess, and I'll bet more older users won't really get it.

The key here is to make them a convenient option that users can choose to use, and not make the OS dependant on it... Because that would be stupid.

I wish apple would have given iphone se 3d touch now. I was planning on getting an iPhone se because of the size (I'm tired of my phablets now) but now I'm thinking of just going with a 4.7 6s since iOS 10 is going to making use of 3d touch.

because apple refuses to simply condense things when it comes to size anymore such as they did with iPad mini. Everything has to have features to match a higher price point now. We can't have the best camera on a phone either unless we buy the phablet

 

[nope7308]

Fair point, but he changed his views on more than one occasion and his support of the creation of the App Store in many ways allowed the creation of new markets that in turn drove greater adoption of Apple hardware.

As such, if he was still with us today with the current dominance of social networking (Facebook, Twitter, WeChat, etc.), I wonder if he would have been okay with offering "simple" applications or if he would have supported a "richer" (if more complex) experience that aligned with where a significant portion of the market was moving?

One can only speculate, but I believe he wouldn't have classified this feature as providing a 'richer user experience' at all -- just the opposite, actually. There's nothing about rich notifications that will actually enrich the way people communicate with each other, at least in my view. If anything, rich notifications get in the way of communicating with others, and that is why I find them completely unnecessary, even objectionable. Simple doesn't have to mean basic.

What is cool today is uncool tomorrow. Instead of focusing on what people want, focus on what they value -- then you're well on your way to developing the next big thing.

For the record, I don't think SJ was the second coming of Christ -- I still remember Ping! -- but I do think TC is doing a terrible job, however difficult it may be. I do want Apple to succeed, I just don't think they will on the current trajectory.

 

[nostodnayr]

Still, the feature is relegated -- and "optimized" -- for the 6s and 6s Plus in the first iOS 10 beta, with full functionality coming to older-model iPhones in the future.

'Relegated' to the 6s? What?

(Bonus: 'relegated…for'?)

 

[Mac 128]

This is the one thing making me doubt my decision to hold onto my 6 Plus until next year. I have a feeling Apple are going to make it harder and harder to have a device without 3D Touch. Because that's what they do.

I agree. However, 3D Touch isn't going to just replace something you're already doing one day. They will introduce a new iPhone with features that can only be accessed by 3D Touch, because they've run out of gestures for the old way. And then you're likely to upgrade anyway if you need the new feature. If you don't, then everything should work just as it did before, albeit not as conveniently.

 

[CWallace]

For the record, I don't think SJ was the second coming of Christ -- I still remember Ping! -- but I do think TC is doing a terrible job, however difficult it may be. I do want Apple to succeed, I just don't think they will on the current trajectory.

Tim certainly does not have Steve's stage presence, but Steve did pick him to be his successor out of all the management team so he must have seen something in him that he felt was capable of moving Apple forward - which he has done. Tim does not appear to involve himself as deeply with the development of products and services as Steve was said to have done and perhaps that lack of "one man, one vision" is why Apple feels more...scattered...today then it did under Steve.

 

[Rigby]

I had the same thought. The SE is the 6S, just with a smaller screen, no 3D Touch and no altimeter. Plus, think of all the legacy devices (like the 6 and 5S) that Apple is still currently selling.

The iPads, including the latest models, don't have 3D Touch either (perhaps it's not even feasible on the large screens?). They will not be able to make iOS reliant on 3D touch for quite some time.
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Have you used the app? Much of the complexity is hidden behind buttons.

I have no strong opinion on the new Message app yet (since I haven't tried it first hand), but more buttons is precisely what you want to avoid on a small-screen GUI.

 

[Jax44]

iOS10 Messages is the equivalent of bloatware. I used to prefer the simplicity of Apple's default apps. Apple seems to be moving away from simplicity which is a major disappointment.

I thought everyone hated the default apps.

 

[dk001]

I thought everyone hated the default apps.

Hate? Disappointed they cannot define a default app.
But there are some that people just ...

 

[GhostRaider]

bunch of whiners. The messages app itself is not bloatware. Bloatware defines apps that aren't necessary that make the device sluggish. Features of the messages app may not be something that you personally care to use (and those features can potentially slow things down) but at its heart, it's still just a messages app and will be no more difficult to send plain text messages than it is today.

It's like complaining that more emoji were released, whining about emoji being bloatware in the messages app.

This ties into this article too. Is everyone still angry that apple went to a 2-button mouse? It just allows for another method of input. I don't think I'd need it at this point but when I get a phone that has it, I'm not going to whine about those who don't use it or don't know how or when they can.

jeez, just because something isn't big news or seem great to you doesn't automatically make it bad.

You do realize that Messages will now consume even more RAM right? It must load the effects, stickers, camera, and other necessities into memory even if its not used. Else, you would experience lag. Hence, increase battery usage and memory. Having a dedicated app designed for that is more efficient than cramming everything into 1 app.

Bloatware is the correct term.

 

[Michael Scrip]

You do realize that Messages will now consume even more RAM right? It must load the effects, stickers, camera, and other necessities into memory even if its not used. Else, you would experience lag. Hence, increase battery usage and memory. Having a dedicated app designed for that is more efficient than cramming everything into 1 app.

Bloatware is the correct term.

Sticker-RAM-gate

 

[997941]

Perhaps Apple is starting to realize what a silly concept Force Touch actually is.

Totally agree. I have always said 3-D touch has been nothing more than A gimmick. What can 3-D touch do that a long press cannot accomplish? Why the need to determine pressure as opposed to how long and An icon is pressed?

 

[Abazigal]

Can anyone explain to me why a "3D touch" gesture cannot simply be replaced with a long press? In all of the experience I have had with 3D Touch on a 6s, I did not see one time where a long press would not work just as well as a force touch. The time delay of a force touch is more then adequate for a long press gesture.

Let's focus on your choice of the work "cannot". Force Touch just feels faster and more seamless for me than holding down on a link in Safari.

So yes, it "can" be done the way you want it to, I daresay the user experience just won't be as good as with Force Touch.