Apple Confirms Sales of Apple Watch Pride Edition Band Will Support LGBTQ Groups

[myrtlebee]

It's condescending to you that I could care less if someone wants to mary a man, woman, or object? Who cares? Let people live and respect each other. If you're not causing physical harm to someone else, then move on. Two men or women getting married is not causing me physical harm, so therefore I do not care. We are all human and if thats how those two people want to live their lives let them go ahead and do so.

Sorry you find my outlook / support on your lifestyle "demeaning and condescending". I respect your lifestyle, always have, and always will; even if it's not something that I chose to adopt into my own life.

My point that I was trying to make, was really how divided the left has managed to split up our country into tiny voting blocks and have companies take stances. I think companies should stay out of all politics as it is divisive and only stirs the pot.

You just don't get it, do you? It's not a "lifestyle" and it's not something I ever "chose to adopt".

And why shouldn't companies take moral stances? I thought the right was all about corporate freedom? Remember Mitt Romney's "corporations are people, my friend"?

 

[BaldiMac]

The left in my opinion, has divided people up among race, gender, religion, sexual orentation, and sexual preference.

How do you figure? The left is arguing for equal rights for persecuted groups. The right is arguing against equal rights. How do equal rights divide us?

This is what bothers me most about the left, along with their "privliage" talks. I am straight and white, and pretty socially liberal - however; I have noticed a STRONG message from the left of things being handed to me becuase I am straight and white. This "white privliage" has got to go from the left. I have worked my butt off to be where I am in my career. Nothing was handed to me due to my gender, race, oreientation, etc, as I have had to climb uphill battles most of my life- sure, I could of sat back and played the victim - but you know? I never did. I kept pushing forward.

Good for you! That's a great personal story. But it doesn't change the facts that people are discriminated against based on their gender, race, etc.

White privilege doesn't mean something is handed to you. It means something is denied to someone else based on their race.

 

[Altis]

White privilege doesn't mean something is handed to you. It means something is denied to someone else based on their race.

Who's being denied something based on their race?

Do you mean like affirmative action?

 

[BaldiMac]

Who's being denied something based on their race?

If your point is to deny racial discrimination in this country, then I'm not going to engage you. If you are asking something else, please rephrase.

Do you mean like affirmative action?

No.

 

[magicschoolbus]

You just don't get it, do you? It's not a "lifestyle" and it's not something I ever "chose to adopt".

And why shouldn't companies take moral stances? I thought the right was all about corporate freedom? Remember Mitt Romney's "corporations are people, my friend"?

Yeah I do; didn't vote for Romney. Never liked the guy, and he was never our president. You're just looking for things to pick apart and get upset over, so this conversation isn't worth having.

 

[Altis]

If your point is to deny racial discrimination in this country, then I'm not going to engage you. If you are asking something else, please rephrase.

Unless I'm mistaken, discrimination based on race is illegal in the U.S. (as it is in Canada). There are no situations in which it is permitted by law.

I'm not sure that affirmative action would even be legal if it were challenged.

No.

Why not? Is it not precisely "denied to someone else based on their race", like you said?

 

[BaldiMac]

Unless I'm mistaken, discrimination based on race is illegal in the U.S. (as it is in Canada). There are no situations in which it is permitted by law.

That's not true legally. And certainly isn't true in practice.

Why not? Is it not precisely "denied to someone else based on their race", like you said?

When someone's been thrown into a hole, helping them out of the hole isn't giving them a privilege.

 

[Altis]

That's not true legally. And certainly isn't true in practice.

What laws exist that are discriminatory based on race?

I'm 100% in full support of eradicating them and ensuring justice is blind -- equality of opportunity must be a cornerstone of a free and open society.

When someone's been thrown into a hole, helping them out of the hole isn't giving them a privilege.

So help people in the "hole" rather than discriminating based on race/ethnicity. Whites are not even the most successful demographic in the U.S. anyways -- many of them need help out of the hole, too.

 

[BaldiMac]

What laws exist that are discriminatory based on race?

That's not what you said. I never claimed that there are laws that discriminate based on race.

But there are certainly laws that are created to discriminate based on race. See the NC voting laws that were struck down for targeting African-Americans with "surgical precision" in order to suppress votes.

I'm 100% in full support of eradicating them and ensuring justice is blind -- equality of opportunity must be a cornerstone of a free and open society.

Yep.

So help people in the "hole" rather than discriminating based on race/ethnicity.

Affirmative action is meant to counter active discrimination. People are more comfortable around other people that are more like them. White men are more likely to promote white men. Until we actively promote diversity throughout all levels of business, there will continue to be discrimination preventing equal opportunities for minorities.

Whites are not even the most successful demographic in the U.S. anyways -- many of them need help out of the hole, too.

Yep. And there are other programs that assist them.

 

[Royal Gala]

No, your comments have nothing to do with the original post. So it's off topic. Understand now?

My post was made in response to yours. Whether or not my post was on or off topic was determined by whether your post was on or off topic in the first place. Since you've decided that my post was "off topic", your post was therefore also off topic. If you don't like posts veeeing off topic, then your post should not have done so in the first place.

 

[daflake]

I think it's pretty obvious there are still race and gender biases still in existence in the western world. I see it all too often in the work place and socially. I wouldn't need to post a study to prove to myself what I see.

Of course there is and there always will be. Everyone has gender and racial bias (yes, even you) and I can tell you that I was treated like an outsider when I went into a store in Miami where nobody was speaking English and I was the tall white guy. However, I didn't come out of the store yelling Hispanic privilege! Did it make me nervous? Sure... Should I have been? Probably not because nobody there was really trying to hurt me. It was misplaced judgement which everyone does. My old Army roommate used to hate white people (he would tell you this to your face) but I have now been told that I can’t call him racist because that is insensitive.


This new white privilege thing is just the newest cause that people are rallying around while the trying to save the world. It actually causes more hate and divide in my opinion as it fuels a fire that should just be left to burn itself out.


What I find more interesting is that the millennials have some weird need to create a cause that they feel will make an impact. Funny part is that they lose interest in them rather quickly and move on to something else.


Believe me, I get what people are saying, but we have many successful businessmen and women from various cultures, races and genders who worked hard to get where they are at just like others, that “privilege” is slowly going away and not something you are ever going to be able to fully erase.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Of course there is and there always will be. Everyone has gender and racial bias (yes, even you) and I can tell you that I was treated like an outsider when I went into a store in Miami where nobody was speaking English and I was the tall white guy. However, I didn't come out of the store yelling Hispanic privilege! Did it make me nervous? Sure... Should I have been? Probably not because nobody there was really trying to hurt me. It was misplaced judgement which everyone does. My old Army roommate used to hate white people (he would tell you this to your face) but I have now been told that I can’t call him racist because that is insensitive.


This new white privilege thing is just the newest cause that people are rallying around while the trying to save the world.


What I find more interesting is that the millennials have some weird need to create a cause that they feel will make an impact. Funny part is that they lose interest in them rather quickly and move on to something else.


Believe me, I get what people are saying, but we have many successful businessmen and women from various cultures, races and genders who worked hard to get where they are at just like others, that “privilege” is slowly going away and not something you are ever going to be able to fully erase.

I think the pride band is a good cause and if huge companies like Apple support it, then it creates an even bigger impact. People have the right to be annoyed by it and not buy their products, but it's counterproductive to cut your nose off to spite your face IMO.

 

[daflake]

I think the pride band is a good cause and if huge companies like Apple support it, then it creates an even bigger impact. People have the right to be annoyed by it and not buy their products, but it's counterproductive to cut your nose off to spite your face IMO.

I agree with you there. If Apple wants to create a band to support LGBT then they should be allowed to go forth and do great things. My point was towards the whole white privilege thing that was being tossed at me. We still have issues where the government does not support or recognizing equal rights for the LGBT community and that needs to change. There is no reason that they should not be allowed to marry and have the same benefits and rights as I do.

 

[BaldiMac]

I was treated like an outsider when I went into a store in Miami where nobody was speaking English and I was the tall white guy. However, I didn't come out of the store yelling Hispanic privilege! Did it make me nervous? Sure... Should I have been? Probably not because nobody there was really trying to hurt me.

Now imagine that feeling for every day of your life.

This new white privilege thing is just the newest cause that people are rallying around while the trying to save the world. It actually causes more hate and divide in my opinion as it fuels a fire that should just be left to burn itself out.

White privilege isn't a new cause. It's the same cause. It's about equal rights and equal opportunities for minorities. It's a reflection of the feeling among some people that discrimination isn't still an issue. That helping minorities achieve equal rights is some sort of anti-white discrimination.

‘When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression’

 

[daflake]

Now imagine that feeling for every day of your life.


White privilege isn't a new cause. It's the same cause. It's about equal rights and equal opportunities for minorities. It's a reflection of the feeling among some people that discrimination isn't still an issue. That helping minorities achieve equal rights is some sort of anti-white discrimination.

‘When You’re Accustomed to Privilege, Equality Feels Like Oppression’

No, it is a new cause for the same thing that has been happening, and will continue to happen, in life. I is a feel good cause to try and justify something that has always existed. I'm all for minimizing it but the point is that to simply pin one race with it is complete garbage as they all do it.

 

[zooby]

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[Sefstah]

My post was made in response to yours. Whether or not my post was on or off topic was determined by whether your post was on or off topic in the first place. Since you've decided that my post was "off topic", your post was therefore also off topic. If you don't like posts veeeing off topic, then your post should not have done so in the first place.

You're that person that just jumps into two other random people's conversation, that has nothing to do with you. Don't be that guy. It's awkward.

 

[Royal Gala]

You're that person that just jumps into two other random people's conversation, that has nothing to do with you. Don't be that guy. It's awkward.

This is not a conversation between two people. It is a message thread in a forum of which we are both members.

This thread is open to all forum members, and we are all permitted to respond to any post in this thread. Accordingly, this thread will not enable you to have a private bilateral conversation. There are other spaces for you to have a conversation on that basis if you wish.

 

[Sefstah]

This is not a conversation between two people. It is a message thread in a forum of which we are both members.

This thread is open to all forum members, and we are all permitted to respond to any post in this thread. Accordingly, this thread will not enable you to have a private bilateral conversation. There are other spaces for you to have a conversation on that basis if you wish.

You are more than welcome to comment on my original post. And then we can debate. Instead you joined in a discussion between two people and are really going nowhere with it.

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

You are more than welcome to comment on my original post. And then we can debate. Instead you joined in a discussion between two people and are really going nowhere with it.

Not how public forums work. You don't get to dictate the rules of discussion to other people.

 

[Sefstah]

Not how public forums work. You don't get to dictate the rules of discussion to other people.

Look, we have another one!

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Look, we have another one!

And 'here is another one', me. In any thread here you can't expect exchanges to only be between 2 people. They are free for anybody to join in and contribute. Private messaging is for select conversations you don't want others to be part of.

 

[Royal Gala]

And 'here is another one', me. In any thread here you can't expect exchanges to only be between 2 people. They are free for anybody to join in and contribute. Private messaging is for select conversations you don't want others to be part of.

Thank you fellow 'ones'! You took the words right out of my mouth

 

[MadeTheSwitch]

Look, we have another one!

You'll have quite a few other ones to contend with, because most here understand how public comment forums work vs. private messaging.

 

[lowendlinux]

Can I be a 'one' too..please..please..please