Apple Confirms Sales of Apple Watch Pride Edition Band Will Support LGBTQ Groups

[BoneDaddy]

Apple has a right to promote what they wish. If it troubles anyone they're free to avoid their products.

Btw, how well has Apple Watch done?

So Apple has a right to promote what they wish, huh? Ok, so they can promote gays with a rainbow watch band, fine. BUT, a cake shop CAN'T promote what THEY wish?

Can't wait to see the day that Apple supports my right to bear arms. Oh, wait, that will never happen.

OH! Free to promote what they wish! Let's see how long it would take for crazy libs to talk about Tim Cook's assassination, if Apple decided to make a "Trump 45th President", band...
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buying a watch band is "fighting for equality"?

99% of people who "fight for something", usually do so by thumbing up things on the internet, buying junk, and putting bumper stickers on their cars. There's really never any "fighting" FOR something. Just lazy attempts at saying "ME TOO". Everyone wants to be a part of something/anything...

 

[shinji]

So Apple has a right to promote what they wish, huh? Ok, so they can promote gays with a rainbow watch band, fine. BUT, a cake shop CAN'T promote what THEY wish?

Can't wait to see the day that Apple supports my right to bear arms. Oh, wait, that will never happen.

OH! Free to promote what they wish! Let's see how long it would take for crazy libs to talk about Tim Cook's assassination, if Apple decided to make a "Trump 45th President", band...
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99% of people who "fight for something", usually do so by thumbing up things on the internet, buying junk, and putting bumper stickers on their cars. There's really never any "fighting" FOR something. Just lazy attempts at saying "ME TOO". Everyone wants to be a part of something/anything...

Cake shops can promote what they wish, but they can't discriminate against customers on the basis of sexuality.

It isn't that it only works one way.

 

[BoneDaddy]

Yes, I have always found it 'convenient' that the people that want to run the nation by the 'holy book' don't realize everything in it.

Homosexuality is not referenced in it. But there is a lot about targeting thine enemies, and slaying, and rape, dismemberment, burning people, torturing people, hate and loathing.

And those same people say that Islam is evil. Enough evil can be found in most religions to make them repugnant to a successful and functioning society.

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There isn't an 'average human being', but there is an 'approved American human being' or so it seems and it is a white, male, heterosexual, brown hair, white teeth, overweight, 'christian', married, 5' 9", blue eyes, smoker, hard liquor drinking, country music loving, hunter, non-recycler, motorcycle riding, Fox News devoted, nothing past high school educated, wide eyed jingoist. If you ain't that, you ain't poop on a paper plate in Donald Trump's America. The key feature being 'obedient', 'frightened', and 'unquestioning'.

What planet are you typing your posts from? Homosexuality is not referenced in the Bible?! Hahahaha DAMN the ignorance! You've obviously never read it. SHHHHHH, don't respond that you have. You haven't, or you wouldn't write such lies.

As far as the rest of your fantasy post, there is context that explains why/when/where/ time, and all other things that will explain the purpose and meaning of what is in the Bible. But it doesn't matter to you. You just want to create lies that you hope will support your fact-less conclusions about things you know nothing about.

It's funny with people like you.

"I won't read or believe in a book written by men!"

"I hate the bible cause I read this..." written by men.

PFFFF!
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Cake shops can promote what they wish, but they can't discriminate against customers on the basis of sexuality.

It isn't that it only works one way.

It's not discrimination to NOT want to make a cake for a gay wedding. Turning a type of person away from service for EVERYTHING, is discrimination.

The baker's freedom of religion trumps a gay person's ability to buy a cake.

 

[oldmacs]

The baker's freedom of religion trumps a gay person's ability to buy a cake

So a part of myself I can not change is trumped by a person’s choice of religion?

I’m both gay and catholic and I can tell you for sure one of those things I chose (choice to remain catholic) and one I tried everything possible to have a choice in (being gay)

 

[sim667]

If only gay people found it as easy to come out as the homophobes on this thread.

 

[BoneDaddy]

So a part of myself I can not change is trumped by a person’s choice of religion?

I’m both gay and catholic and I can tell you for sure one of those things I chose (choice to remain catholic) and one I tried everything possible to have a choice in (being gay)

I respect your gay and catholic existence, but yes, freedom of religion is framed in the constitution. I'm sure you can buy something else from that very same baker, but you have NO right to DEMAND a wedding cake and you are NOT entitled to one.

As far as your inclusion of "can't change", that's irrelevant. Hell, I've seen stories of people who HAVE changed when they one thought they couldn't, and frankly, I don't care wether or not someone is gay by choice, or not. To me, gay is gay.

If if were my shop, I'd be happy to serve you. ****, I might even bake you a cake for a gay wedding, because although I AM spiritual (Christian, if I had to pick one) and do read the Bible, marriage, as we see it today, is so far from the religious sense of leaving your parents and taking a wife.

Would I make you a "gay pride" cake? Hell no. But I'd be kind and offer you directions to the nearest bakery who might.

 

[shinji]

It's not discrimination to NOT want to make a cake for a gay wedding. Turning a type of person away from service for EVERYTHING, is discrimination.

The baker's freedom of religion trumps a gay person's ability to buy a cake.

It doesn't have to be everything to count as discrimination. If you serve the general public, you can't turn down jobs just because they involve gay weddings. That applies to bakers, photographers, florists, etc.

All around the country, judges have ruled it is in fact discrimination and does not violate anyone's freedom of religion. You can either view that as a vast assault on religious freedom, as some blogs would lead you to bleieve, or you can accept that selling a cake or taking pictures is not actually an infringement on anyone's right to practice religion.

Either way, the Supreme Court agreed Monday to hear one cake baker's appeal, so we'll know next year where the law stands.

 

[BoneDaddy]

It doesn't have to be everything to count as discrimination. If you serve the general public, you can't turn down jobs just because they involve gay weddings. That applies to bakers, photographers, florists, etc.

All around the country, judges have ruled it is in fact discrimination and does not violate anyone's freedom of religion. You can either view that as a vast assault on religious freedom, as some blogs would lead you to bleieve, or you can accept that selling a cake or taking pictures is not actually an infringement on anyone's right to practice religion.

Either way, the Supreme Court agreed Monday to hear one cake baker's appeal, so we'll know next year where the law stands.

That's the rule, I am aware of this. There are plenty of laws that contradict the constitution. It doesn't give an argument teeth. It's NOT discrimination, and it DOES violate freedom of religion. That is a fact.

 

[oldmacs]

As far as your inclusion of "can't change", that's irrelevant. Hell, I've seen stories of people who HAVE changed when they one thought they couldn't, and frankly, I don't care wether or not someone is gay by choice, or not. To me, gay is gay.

I think it is relevant. I don't think businesses should be allowed to discriminate services based on gender, race or sexuality. I do think that gay people shouldn't be vindictive in choosing services, as it is just asking for trouble, but at the same time I don't think it is right. Unless of course you think businesses have the right to refuse service to people on the basis of their race as well.

There's also a difference between suppression and changing and homosexuality and bisexuality. There is no scientific support or support or psychologists who have support for the concept changing sexuality despite slight reductions in attraction probably due to supression. Even if some could change, thery're a minority leaving the rest of us who can not.

 

[BoneDaddy]

I think it is relevant. I don't think businesses should be allowed to discriminate services based on gender, race or sexuality. I do think that gay people shouldn't be vindictive in choosing services, as it is just asking for trouble, but at the same time I don't think it is right. Unless of course you think businesses have the right to refuse service to people on the basis of their race as well.

There's also a difference between suppression and changing and homosexuality and bisexuality. There is no scientific support or support or psychologists who have support for the concept changing sexuality despite slight reductions in attraction probably due to supression. Even if some could change, thery're a minority leaving the rest of us who can not.

And I respect that you think it's relevant, for the record. I wish you peace, in you homosexuality. But here we are again generalizing it to "services". I've not read any stories of gays not being able to buy a donut or a regular cake. Only in the instance that the owner, or baker identified that a gay wedding cake went against their religious beliefs. I wish you could respect that, and I don't see why you can't.

Why would I think businesses should be able to discriminate based on race? That has nothing to do with religion... Therefore, it is unjust.

 

[oldmacs]

Why would I think businesses should be able to discriminate based on race? That has nothing to do with religion... Therefore, it is unjust

Race along with sexuality is something you can't generally change, so I could start a religion that hates any particular race and refuse service to said race because appanrly religious freedom is more important than discrimination based on parts of ourselves we can not change.
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Only in the instance that the owner, or baker identified that a gay wedding cake went against their religious beliefs. I wish you could respect that, and I don't see why you can't

Because I don't see why businesses should be allowed to refuse service to someone based on an unchangable part of themselves because they choose to follow a religion that teaches against that unchangable part.

That being said, cake distimination is fairly low on my list of things that are important to gay rights at the moment, I can't even get married in my country. Let alone tell my parents or feel comfortable walking down the street. Or people in countries who are getting thrown off buildings. Still doesn't justify it in my mind however.

 

[shinji]

That's the rule, I am aware of this. There are plenty of laws that contradict the constitution. It doesn't give an argument teeth. It's NOT discrimination.

I'm not saying the law is always right. But the point about religious freedom has been argued ad infinitum and judges have almost always ruled against it. One tactic now is to claim a right to artistic self-expression instead.

But I'm curious- what gives the argument teeth that denying a wedding cake based on sexual orientation is not discrimination? How does baking a cake for a gay wedding interfere with religious practice when you're not being asked to marry someone of the same sex, but simply bake a cake for them?

Why would I think businesses should be able to discriminate based on race? That has nothing to do with religion... Therefore, it is unjust.

Religion was once used as an argument against interracial marriage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia#Appellate_proceedings

 

[BoneDaddy]

Race along with sexuality is something you can't generally change, so I could start a religion that hates any particular race and refuse service to said race because appanrly religious freedom is more important than discrimination based on parts of ourselves we can not change.
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Because I don't see why businesses should be allowed to refuse service to someone based on an unchangable part of themselves because they choose to follow a religion that teaches against that unchangable part.

That being said, cake distimination is fairly low on my list of things that are important to gay rights at the moment, I can't even get married in my country. Let alone tell my parents or feel comfortable walking down the street. Or people in countries who are getting thrown off buildings. Still doesn't justify it in my mind however.

Why must you go into the extreme hypothetical nonsense? It has nothing to do with being able, or not being able to change anything. You're just using that as a crutch because your argument is all but non existent, as is easily illustrated by the extreme hypothetic.

Religious freedom is in the constitution. Being free to be a racist is NOT. Getting a cake for a gay weeding is NOT.

Anyway, this is going nowhere...

I wish you the best in your being able to feel ok in your skin and I hope your parents treat you well if, when they find out.
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But I'm curious- what gives the argument teeth that denying a wedding cake based on sexual orientation is not discrimination? How does baking a cake for a gay wedding interfere with religious practice when you're not being asked to marry someone of the same sex, but simply bake a cake for them?

WORDS is what give the argument teeth. Words in the constitution and words used to voice one's religious practices.

dis·crim·i·na·tion
dəˌskriməˈnāSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 1.
   the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

un·just
ˌənˈjəst/
adjective

1. not based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.

sup·port
səˈpôrt/
verb

1. 1.
   bear all or part of the weight of; hold up.

2.
give assistance to, especially financially; enable to function or act.



If it's against one's religion to support something, it is not unjust and is within their constitutional rights to refuse that specific service, and therefore, is NOT discrimination.

Last, don't compare gay to race. The Bible does not support racism, but does not condone same gender sex.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

What planet are you typing your posts from? Homosexuality is not referenced in the Bible?! Hahahaha DAMN the ignorance! You've obviously never read it. SHHHHHH, don't respond that you have. You haven't, or you wouldn't write such lies.

As far as the rest of your fantasy post, there is context that explains why/when/where/ time, and all other things that will explain the purpose and meaning of what is in the Bible. But it doesn't matter to you. You just want to create lies that you hope will support your fact-less conclusions about things you know nothing about.

It's funny with people like you.

"I won't read or believe in a book written by men!"

"I hate the bible cause I read this..." written by men.

PFFFF!
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It's not discrimination to NOT want to make a cake for a gay wedding. Turning a type of person away from service for EVERYTHING, is discrimination.

The baker's freedom of religion trumps a gay person's ability to buy a cake.

The sexism dripping from your response is obvious. I hate to burst your bubble there, but I'm A MAN!

I also was an acolyte in the Episcopal Church for a decade, and worked as a bible school counselor for 5 years. You want to dare tell me that I don't understand the bible?

Running the country on the bible would be like running the country on JRR Tolkein's Hobbit, or The Fellowship of the Rings.

And to show how pathetic religion has become in this country, I got this as part of an 'email blast' from the Heritage Foundation. How pathetic is religion in America? They want to HATE people because the 'evil government' wants to provide them with more customers. Oh, and they want to deny people cake because they think they are icky...

That kind of stuff should have ended after they reached elementary school.

There is a book called 'The bible tells me so' that people should read.

But here's the headline, in all of its sanctimonious hypocrisy.

 

[BoneDaddy]

The sexism dripping from your response is obvious. I hate to burst your bubble there, but I'm A MAN!

I also was an acolyte in the Episcopal Church for a decade, and worked as a bible school counselor for 5 years. You want to dare tell me that I don't understand the bible?

Running the country on the bible would be like running the country on JRR Tolkein's Hobbit, or The Fellowship of the Rings.

And to show how pathetic religion has become in this country, I got this as part of an 'email blast' from the Heritage Foundation. How pathetic is religion in America? They want to HATE people because the 'evil government' wants to provide them with more customers. Oh, and they want to deny people cake because they think they are icky...

That kind of stuff should have ended after they reached elementary school.

There is a book called 'The bible tells me so' that people should read.

But here's the headline, in all of its sanctimonious hypocrisy.

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Damn I wish I could have recorded my laughter to this. So ridiculous... Like a bad play.

"The sexxxxxxiiiiiism is derrrrrrruuuupping frommmm your rrrrrresponsuh"

So overdramatic and accusatory. I'm sexist now... WoW, you have enlightened me to my bigotry!

I could give two ***** if your a man, donkey, woman, or a pig. You went to the moon and found a computer.

GREAT!

Oh, by the way... You don't understand the bible. Whoops, I dared!

I'm gonna shut off transmissions to your planets, if you don't mind. Come talk to me when you come back to earth.

 

[oldmacs]

Last, don't compare gay to race.

So what you can change your race and sexuality?

The Bible does not support racism, but does not condone same gender sex.

Yet it was used to support racism in the past. The bible also doesn’t condone wearing clothes made of different fabrics.
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Oh, by the way... You don't understand the bible. Whoops, I dared!

I could say the same about you.

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

Religious freedom is in the constitution. Being free to be a racist is NOT. Getting a cake for a gay weeding is NOT.

Freedom of religion is in the Constitution. The establishment clause forbids government from putting their finger on the scale of justice towards a religion, or religious group. Such an action signifies a support for one religion over another.

Suing to deny pastries to a group that a bunch of bigots hate in the name of their religion is asking for the government to decide to support a religion. Throwing a hissy fit over providing cake to icky gays is childish. A public business that seeks to provide a good or service to the public can not discriminate against one group or another based on race, religion, or personal beliefs.

The Heritage Foundation, one of the sources of the varied groups supporting religious hate, was created for the soul purpose of involving 'religious groups' in maintaining a republican supremacy in government. There is ample documentation of that fact on Youtube, and other outlets. Heritage and their related and accessory groups have led the 'religious' right around by their nose to cause outrage and foment hatred to make the believers follow republicans, and vote for them.

On issue after issue, the republicans have proven to not be 'pro-life', or care about human life at all, yet the religious right and their hatred has been used as a weapon to ultimately elect our current president and a majority in both houses of government. And now they seek to throw MILLIONS of people off health insurance, and deny MILLIONS of women healthcare.

Pardon me if I don't share in the ritualistic denial of human rights to an entire gender, and denial of respect to a group because religists think they are icky.

Religious participation in this country is dwindling. People are seeing the hatred at the core of this relatively new religiopolitican movement and not liking what they see. I hope there will be a country in four years worth saving. And that the republican party has to gerrymander and purge people's RIGHT to vote to win, and deliberately LIE about their religious beliefs, I'm not holding out much hope.

Enough said. I'm not going to ignite a flame of empathy in anyone's stone cold heart.

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I'm gonna shut off transmissions to your planets, if you don't mind. Come talk to me when you come back to earth.

I refuse to interact with you further so that you can wear the 'Victim' badge and appear to be persecuted here. I have enough drama in my life, thanks...

 

[BoneDaddy]

So what you can change your race and sexuality?



Yet it was used to support racism in the past. The bible also doesn’t condone wearing clothes made of different fabrics.
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I could say the same about you.

Out of respect, I will respond to you about this one more time because I think we're getting to that counterproductive point.

YES, according to the LGBTQ community, you CAN change your sex. Still sex and race are two completely different things.

The Bible was used by idiots who probably didn't go any further into it beyond their pastor's sermons. So what, it was used against races. It was wrong on all counts. The bible does not support racism. Fact.

Last, yea, you CAN say the same about me. You could say I was a table if you wanted...

Have a great morning/night/afternoon.

 

[Gutwrench]

So Apple has a right to promote what they wish, huh? Ok, so they can promote gays with a rainbow watch band, fine. BUT, a cake shop CAN'T promote what THEY wish?

Can't wait to see the day that Apple supports my right to bear arms. Oh, wait, that will never happen.

OH! Free to promote what they wish! Let's see how long it would take for crazy libs to talk about Tim Cook's assassination, if Apple decided to make a "Trump 45th President", band...

Is everything ok? Yes, Apple can promote what they wish. And if you care to research my posts about the cake thing you'll see I feel businesses should not be able to arbitrarily discriminate but those businesses with artistic products should be given some deference.

Besides promoting a product and refusing service are completely different concepts, aren't they?

 

[oldmacs]

The Bible was used by idiots who probably didn't go any further into it beyond their pastor's sermons. So what, it was used against races. It was wrong on all counts. The bible does not support racism. Fact.

In your opinion.. I don't think it supports racism but at the same time I don't think it should be used to condone homophobia.

Last, yea, you CAN say the same about me. You could say I was a table if you wanted...

And obviously you aren't a table, but that doesn't make what you claim about the bible right/wrong.
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YES, according to the LGBTQ community, you CAN change your sex. Still sex and race are two completely different things

Sex and sexuality are completely different. I see sexuality and race to be the same in the sense do being something you can't change and a forms a basis for discrimination that people have used religion to justify. Of course I don't think it's fair to compare them in any other way however.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Apple is an international company with markets and offices all over the world. They can promote what they wish and the Pride band is an excellent product that shows support to gay people who face condemnation and oppression from backward religious types all over the world. For a forward thinking company this is a fitting statement. It's a 2 fingers up to discrimination and the fact we have a debate on this is astonishing.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

It's not discrimination to NOT want to make a cake for a gay wedding. Turning a type of person away from service for EVERYTHING, is discrimination.

The baker's freedom of religion trumps a gay person's ability to buy a cake.

It is discrimination by refusing to offer a service based on somebody's sexuality. If the same was done based on skin colour it would be exactly the same. It's discrimination in its simplest form.

If the Christian baker wants to discriminate, then they are in the wrong profession. Opening a business to the public means you are obliged to serve the public. Sure you have the right to refuse service but that is inline with unreasonable or threatening behaviour, not because you assume somebody might be gay. It's the 21st century after all.

 

[DakotaGuy]

And I respect that you think it's relevant, for the record. I wish you peace, in you homosexuality. But here we are again generalizing it to "services". I've not read any stories of gays not being able to buy a donut or a regular cake. Only in the instance that the owner, or baker identified that a gay wedding cake went against their religious beliefs. I wish you could respect that, and I don't see why you can't.

Why would I think businesses should be able to discriminate based on race? That has nothing to do with religion... Therefore, it is unjust.

Ahh... the wedding cake. The one thing that's been responsible for hours and hours wasted in half the State legislatures in this country. We can never solve any real problems because we're all worked up about cakes and bathrooms while everything else falls apart.

If I read your last line correctly though you do feel it's not ok to discriminate against race, but it is ok to discriminate against someone because they are gay? While I don't always buy the slippery slope argument in the case of the wedding cake I do. When these so called religious freedom laws come up they don't just say "you are free to not bake wedding cakes for a certain group" they say anyone can refuse to provide services because of deeply held religious beliefs. Those types of laws promote discrimination. How long until we have an ambulance driver who claims this and refuses to haul an injured gay person to the hospital? Sure that's the most extreme case, but it's coming.

Anyhow I have no idea what this has to do about watch bands. If you like it, buy it. If you don't then don't. It's your choice to spend the money. Even though I'm gay I wouldn't because a rainbow watch band is tacky IMHO, but if the next person likes it, great!

 

[BaldiMac]

Only in the instance that the owner, or baker identified that a gay wedding cake went against their religious beliefs.

I'm pretty sure that the gay couples just want to buy ordinary wedding cake. There is nothing gay about the wedding cakes that they are trying to buy.


Plus, I don't think the bible even says anything about who a cake can love. I'm pretty sure the homosexuality lines are only about people.

 

[magicschoolbus]

Me and proud of it.

You can't be proud of being straight.. it's sexist and mysoginyistic and racist and deplorable. if you're not in a minority, you're not allowed to have pride.