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Apple Considering Rebranding Mac OS X Under New 'iOS' Umbrella?

ValSalva said:
Not my fault if you are so literal you can't read between the lines.
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Read between the lines of your two line propaganda speeches? Funniest thing I've read all week.


archipellago said:
google the actual quote or re-read my edited post.

no backpeddling here...

I'm right and you're ...well...not. :p
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I already watched the entire conference. Hell, you already posted the quote I was talking about:
"They are still going to be around." However, he said, only "one out of x people will need them."

You clearly stated in your first post that you thought he meant the "end" of all full fledged computers. You were not right. You are backpeddling.
 
CristobalHuet said:
Besides, Steve already denied there would be an App Store of any kind in 10.7, so why would a name change (which I am against as well) make him go back on his word?
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Maybe not in 10.7, maybe later. Who knows?

But consider other things Steve has said:

- Apple will never get into the phone business
- Apple will never get into the music business
- Apple won' be making a tablet
 
AppleFan1984 said:
But consider other things Steve has said:

- Apple will never get into the phone business
- Apple will never get into the music business
- Apple won't be making a tablet
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Gods, I kind of forgot about all that. It's like Steve is Mr. Opposite Day.

I'm just still waiting for a Mac Pro refresh, and I know part of this is Intel's fault, but I was really hoping for something to be at least announced at WWDC. There's still (and always) next Tuesday...
 
Such a shame that Apple have abandoned the OS sector. All the Mac fans who point at the ever-rising share price always ignored those who worried that maybe Apple will go where the money is and attempt to make everything "IOSable". Apple are the new Nintendo. Can't see any point investing in them for long term operating system support. Never thought I'd think this, but thank god for Windows and their relatively open (and continually progressing) operating system! :D.
 
archipellago said:
Guys, download the D8 podcast, the one with iCon talking to Walt, he basically admits that computing is changing and hints at the end of all fully fledged personal computers including laptops, well he more than hints! He goes on to talk about it being a painful transition for old fashioned industry guys. There is no long term future for Mac OSX as you know it now.
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Cool. As a multi-platform developer that's one less OS to build for.

Hello Ubuntu...
 
aiqw9182 said:
Read between the lines of your two line propaganda speeches? Funniest thing I've read all week.


I already watched the entire conference. Hell, you already posted the quote I was talking about:
"They are still going to be around." However, he said, only "one out of x people will need them."

You clearly stated in your first post that you thought he meant the "end" of all full fledged computers. You were not right. You are backpeddling.
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end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.

only around for specialist uses.


Are you somehow excluded from seeing the bigger picture here? Not everything said or done is literal.
 
dogzilla said:
This sounds like linkbait. Who the hell is HardMac anyway? Why on earth would anyone believe this? And what is their track record on rumors they report being accurate?
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HardMac is the English language sister site of Macbidouille.com, which a is long standing French Apple news site. It doesn't really go in for gossip.
 
AppleFan1984 said:
Maybe not in 10.7, maybe later. Who knows?

But consider other things Steve has said:

- Apple will never get into the phone business
- Apple will never get into the music business
- Apple won' be making a tablet
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Read the iCon book, you will see that he has been wrong roughly 95% of the time and the other 5% were originally someone else's ideas.!
 
archipellago said:
end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.

only around for specialist uses.

Are you somehow excluded from seeing the bigger picture here? Not everything said or done is literal.
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end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.
end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.
end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.
end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.
end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.
end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.

It's not the end of something if there's still one in every house. Keep on backpeddling.
 
The Mac OS nameplate has been around since '84, and OS X for nearly a decade. I highly doubt they would change the name to make it fall in line with iOS. The two products are different.

I would like to see a layer running over 10.7 though...
 
liljoedaprince said:
Considering Macs are a big part of their profits, I doubt they will let the Mac brand die
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not going to let it die, just might shift to a different NAME.

all the "New Coke" analogies do not hold weight.

Apple is and will still be Apple, just part of Apple, known as "Mac" might change or drop its name.

Mac is not like Dell, Mac is like Inspiron....get it?
 
aiqw9182 said:
end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.
end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.
end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.
end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.
end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.
end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.

It's not the end of something if there's still one in every house. Keep on backpeddling.
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Did you not read the post? archipellago said that it would be the end of one computer (at least) per every household and that they will be put on the back burner, only for specialty purposes.

I agree. Some day only the "experts" will be using desktop operating systems that are similar to today's desktop operating systems.
 
TuffLuffJimmy said:
Did you not read the post? archipellago said that it would be the end of one computer (at least) per every household and that they will be put on the back burner, only for specialty purposes.
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Have you been reading this conversation?

First phase:
The "end" of all full fledged computers.
archipellago said:
Guys, download the D8 podcast, the one with iCon talking to Walt, he basically admits that computing is changing and hints at the end of all fully fledged personal computers including laptops, well he more than hints! He goes on to talk about it being a painful transition for old fashioned industry guys. There is no long term future for Mac OSX as you know it now.
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Second phase:
He repeats what I already stated and changes his statement to reflect what OS they will be running.
archipellago said:
yes he did but to expand he said that he thought that "pc's" would be like trucks in that when the automobile was invented trucks had a virtual 100% marketshare. As life changed and the car took over the market share for trucks went to 3 or 4%.

so he's saying that the computer market as we know it (300 mill machines per year) will be 9 to 12 million units in the near future, everyone will replace then with portable tablet like devices.

he didn't say that PC's would be running OSX though.
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Third phase:
He now goes all the way back on his claim to saying that there will be one per household, meaning there won't be an "end" to full fledged computers.

archipellago said:
end of fully fledged computers as we know it now, i.e. 1 in every house.
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Wow, is it Moron Day here at MacRumors?

You people realize that as of iOS 4, the Foundation layer of iOS is exactly the same as in MacOS X 10.6, right?

Renaming it actually makes sense. iOS Desktop has a layer on top that's optimized for keyboard and mouse input. iOS Mobile is for touch input. Underneath, they're both the same, so lets call them the same thing.

How you people extrapolated that they're not developing Macs any more is far beyond me and anyone else who has a bit of reasoning ability.

Of all the transitions Apple has gone through over the years - System 6 to 7, 68K to PPC, Classic MacOS to MacOS X, PPC to Intel, etc. - MacOS to iOS has to be the most harmless.
 
aiqw9182 said:
Third phase:
He now goes all the way back on his claim to saying that there will be one per household, meaning there won't be an "end" to full fledged computers.
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Your reading comprehension is way off. He's saying it will be the end of one computer (running a desktop OS) per house. Not the end is when there's only one desktop OS per house.
 
TuffLuffJimmy said:
Did you not read the post? archipellago said that it would be the end of one computer (at least) per every household and that they will be put on the back burner, only for specialty purposes.

I agree. Some day only the "experts" will be using desktop operating systems that are similar to today's desktop operating systems.
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What do todays operating systems do that is too hard for people?! You manage files, you install programs, you work, or play games etc. It's dead easy! My grandfather, who is in his eighties just got a Windows 7 computer and loves it.

Computers are not hard. This is marketing spiel for "buy our dumbed down product." Remember I buy all of this stuff too. My iPhone is sitting right here, I have an iPad and I work on OSX. I'm not against these devices per se.

If desktop OSes mostly go away, what will people be working on? Accountants? Engineers? Researchers? Programmers? Editors? Designers? This is all just frivolous stuff or what? The last time I checked, people who were actually productive are the ones making the Earth "go 'round". Apple is pushing a vision of constant entertainment consumption, and minimizing how important productivity is in every respect.

I can fully believe in the future our desktop machines could basically be something like 5mm thick iMac style machines with perfect screens, massive storage, and incredibly powerful cpu/gpu etc etc. Whatever. That's not the issue. The issue is Apple removing capability from an OS and pushing it as the future. Nothing iOS does is all that special. It's a compromise to run a decent OS on a small device. That's it.

Remember, OSX is still around 5% worldwide share. If they abandon pro users, then the entire ecosystem dries up and vanishes. Why? Because you need a decent machine to make apps for their toys! Certainly MS will keep pushing productivity and cost effectiveness. Apple is pushing high prices, and form way, way over function.

Something, at some point, has to give.
 
TuffLuffJimmy said:
Your reading comprehension is way off. He's saying it will be the end of one computer (running a desktop OS) per house. Not the end is when there's only one desktop OS per house.
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YOUR reading comprehension is off. He clearly stated the following:
"only around for specialist uses."
 
I also realize my last post was not entirely germane to the topic at hand. I don't care what OSX is "called" as long as they show some dedication to moving it forward and keeping it alive.
 
TennisandMusic said:
What do todays operating systems do that is too hard for people?! You manage files, you install programs, you work, or play games etc. It's dead easy! My grandfather, who is in his eighties just got a Windows 7 computer and loves it.

Computers are not hard. This is marketing spiel for "buy our dumbed down product." Remember I buy all of this stuff too. My iPhone is sitting right here, I have an iPad and I work on OSX.

If desktop OSes mostly go away, what will people be working on? Accountants? Engineers? Researchers? Programmers? Editors? Designers? This is all just frivolous stuff or what? The last time I checked, people who were actually productive are the ones making the Earth "go 'round". Apple is pushing a vision of constant entertainment consumption, and minimizing how important productivity is in every respect.

I can fully believe in the future our desktop machines could basically be something like 5mm thick iMac style machines with perfect screens, massive storage, and incredibly powerful cpu/gpu etc etc. Whatever. That's not the issue. The issue is Apple removing capability from an OS and pushing it as the future. Nothing iOS does is all that special. It's a compromise to run a decent OS on a small device. That's it.

Remember, OSX is still around 5% worldwide share. If they abandon pro users, then the entire ecosystem dries up and vanishes. Why? Because you need a decent machine to make apps for their toys! Certainly MS will keep pushing productivity and cost effectiveness. Apple is pushing high prices, and form way, way over function.

Something, at some point, has to give.
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I'm not saying desktop Operating Systems are hard to use, although for many they are. iOS is much more approachable to novices, and an operating system expanded on that would be perfect for the general population.
 
Why would they name their full featured, innovative desktop OS after a mobile OS that's crippled by comparison? Can you imagine us getting excited if OS X just announced multitasking and desktop backgrounds? OS X is MILES ahead of of iOS 4. That's not to say that iOS 4 isn't doing outstandingly for what it is- an OS designed for mobile devices, a new realm of the market.

I also disagree that Apple needs to do this to unify their brand. Their brand is Apple. That is perfectly clear. iOS and OS X are two totally different products.
 
hayesk said:
Wow, is it Moron Day here at MacRumors?

You people realize that as of iOS 4, the Foundation layer of iOS is exactly the same as in MacOS X 10.6, right?

Renaming it actually makes sense. iOS Desktop has a layer on top that's optimized for keyboard and mouse input. iOS Mobile is for touch input. Underneath, they're both the same, so lets call them the same thing.

How you people extrapolated that they're not developing Macs any more is far beyond me and anyone else who has a bit of reasoning ability.

Of all the transitions Apple has gone through over the years - System 6 to 7, 68K to PPC, Classic MacOS to MacOS X, PPC to Intel, etc. - MacOS to iOS has to be the most harmless.
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+1. Everyday is a Moron day here. Some fanboys, some haters and all are the same.
 
While the "i" naming scheme has become synonymous with Apple's mobile devices
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I'd argue that the "i" does not imply "mobile" so much as it implies "consumer". But in any case, even if the naming is awkward, it's less awkward than "Mac OS X", which has never made much sense to anyone, in fact most people still don't say "oh ess ten". And if they do, "oh ess ten ten point six" is unwieldy. So bring on iOS across the board.
 
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