you have a point there. Moscone is built for way more than 5000 people attending. and the costs are high to do this.
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Apple Considering Separate WWDC Conferences for Mac and iOS?
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you have a point there. Moscone is built for way more than 5000 people attending. and the costs are high to do this.
For those who hold the opinion that it's not Apple's job to keep devs interested in writing for the Mac: What exactly do you think all these annual developer's conferences have been for?
When Steve Ballmer said at a Microsoft presentation, "developers, developers, developers, developers ..." he was right (in addition to making an ass out of himself.)
This idea of segregating iOS devs from Mac OS X devs is lame. Better to think of them all as Objective-C devs who can write for both.
When Steve Ballmer said at a Microsoft presentation, "developers, developers, developers, developers ..." he was right (in addition to making an ass out of himself.)
This idea of segregating iOS devs from Mac OS X devs is lame. Better to think of them all as Objective-C devs who can write for both.
And the Mac WWDC will last all about 11 minutes. Seriously. a)Apple is clearly no longer a computer company and b)how much changes every year in the OS that you need a Developer's Conference to spread the word
I like the Macs but a developers conference every year for an OS? Save the time and money and promote the OS enhancements via webinars or press releases.
I like the Macs but a developers conference every year for an OS? Save the time and money and promote the OS enhancements via webinars or press releases.
When there is a conference/keynote all about mac and osx.. we will see all the people who are disappointed there was no new iOS news...
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I think this is a great idea. Steve isn't going to give 2x1.5 hour Keynotes one for i$ (insert word) and one for Mac/OS X. Furthermore, he isn't going to give a single 3 hour talk including everything either.
Two separate conferences makes sense. At this rate, the iDevices will dominate Steve's time if there is only one WWDC per year. They sell too many iDevices not to give them at least 1.5 hours a year.
I think this is a great idea. Steve isn't going to give 2x1.5 hour Keynotes one for i$ (insert word) and one for Mac/OS X. Furthermore, he isn't going to give a single 3 hour talk including everything either.
Two separate conferences makes sense. At this rate, the iDevices will dominate Steve's time if there is only one WWDC per year. They sell too many iDevices not to give them at least 1.5 hours a year.
That's cool and all but you're using my photo w/o proper attribution
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamjackson/4671153012
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamjackson/4671153012
Great news! Apple can keep the iOS WWDC at the Moscone Center. With all the attention Apple is giving OS X its WWDC could be held at an Encino McDonalds from 2pm-6pm on a random Tuesday afternoon.
That's cool and all but you're using my photo w/o proper attribution
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamjackson/4671153012
Since when do red lights = green lights?
But dude your photos are awesome by the way.
At first thought (especially after this last one) splitting them sounds good. After thinking about it, not so good. It's all related, circular, and can't really be separated. More over, it adds expense to a majority of attending developers that have interests in both.
It's funny that someone joked about having the Mac one in January and maybe call it Macworld, but it does make you wonder why Apple decided to not participate in the MW Convention. They could have instead moved that date to one that better suited them for Mac product roll-outs, which was one of the main complaints from Jobs.
That said, MW and WWDC are really two different events and MW really doesn't fit well for a developers conference.
It's really a simple solution. It's all about the keynote and Apple rolling out product. You either make an effort to split one keynote to both or you hold two separate keynotes within the same conference. Apple can more than do this and Jobs doesn't have to "marathon" both. Use his VPs, as before, to go in depth on products and Steve is there as ringmaster and for the pitch. The last few events since his return seems like he's commanding more time, as if something to prove, thus less of the key people involved, which ends up coming off as a control issue.
imho.
It's funny that someone joked about having the Mac one in January and maybe call it Macworld, but it does make you wonder why Apple decided to not participate in the MW Convention. They could have instead moved that date to one that better suited them for Mac product roll-outs, which was one of the main complaints from Jobs.
That said, MW and WWDC are really two different events and MW really doesn't fit well for a developers conference.
It's really a simple solution. It's all about the keynote and Apple rolling out product. You either make an effort to split one keynote to both or you hold two separate keynotes within the same conference. Apple can more than do this and Jobs doesn't have to "marathon" both. Use his VPs, as before, to go in depth on products and Steve is there as ringmaster and for the pitch. The last few events since his return seems like he's commanding more time, as if something to prove, thus less of the key people involved, which ends up coming off as a control issue.
imho.
I was saying in another thread how I think it would be a great idea if Steve would hire more people so they don't have to "prioritize" iOS devices over Macs or the other way around. Having separate WWDC events would be a step in the right direction of keeping "parallel" lines of development instead of this more "serial" method of choosing to focus on one or the other and then end up delaying both sooner or later. So I'm all for it. Apple has the resources to do both in parallel so why not?
Oh come on!
It's a great idea. But how about releasing updates and upgrades first to show us laptop & desktop users you mean it.
It's a great idea. But how about releasing updates and upgrades first to show us laptop & desktop users you mean it.
LoL.... if you're gonna accuse someone of stealing your photos you might wanna make sure the photo in question was actually yours.
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The facts point towards Apple being incapable of thinking beyond the moment. They are the ones who got rid of the OS X awards at WWDC (a slap in the face to long-time Mac developers). Just because the iPhone is hot right now, Apple can't continue to recognize OS X development, too?! Steve didn't even mention OS X or Macs during his keynote as far as I can remember. There wasn't even a Mac on stage during the keynote, was there? (is this a first, btw?).
What signal does this send? It would appear to show that Apple is directing their total focus at this moment towards the i-devices and away from their computers. It is the people who are questioning the increasing disappearance of OS X and Mac from Apple's announcements that are looking beyond the present moment, IMO.
Exactly, but it is Apple's lack of focus on these computers that is of concern. They have stated in the past that they diverted resources from OS X/Mac towards iOS/iPhone. Unless they state or demonstrate that they've "undiverted" those resources back towards their desktops/etc., then it shows Apple is either overly focused on the iOS/iPhone 4 moment, or at least doing a very poor job of indicating that they are still also completely behind developing the Mac platform for the long haul.
I love my iPhone and very much look forward to buying an iPhone 4. But I haven't forgotten that my Macs are still my "digital hub". It'd be nice for customers and developers to have some concrete reassurance that Apple hasn't forgotten this, too. With a company of Apple's means, certainly they can develop for the i-devices without neglecting their traditional (and as you indicate, still integral) computers.
This is good. I've been thinking they get a little carried away with the iPhone stuff at these events. Some separation would be welcomed.
Agreed. I due believe a major part of copyright is knowing what work is yours to begin with.
Second would be actually knowing when an attribution is even necessary.
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Splitting them is a good idea.
It's time to separate the mobile OS devices from Snow Leopard which runs on Macs.
Apple needs to be on the ball when it comes to their pro apps and their pro users.
It's time to separate the mobile OS devices from Snow Leopard which runs on Macs.
Apple needs to be on the ball when it comes to their pro apps and their pro users.
Agreed, and why I know it should just be two keynotes instead of two separate conferences. Jobs doesn't even have to do the second keynote.