Apple Continued to Spend Near-Record Amounts of Money Lobbying the Trump Administration in 2018

[KPandian1]

Please don't pretend that both parties have not contributed to this shutdown

No need to pretend, this shutdown is ALL Drumpf! Rule by edict did not work here, so this temper tantrum; he is literally whining every day on TV and via Twitter.

 

[Hirakata]

No need to pretend, this shutdown is ALL Drumpf! Rule by edict did not work here, so this temper tantrum; he is literally whining every day on TV and via Twitter.

Oh, OK. Thanks for the info!

 

[lewchenko]

Lobbying.

Practically the same thing as bribery to corrupt governments in 3rd world nations.

But if we call it lobbying , then it’s ok.

 

[JM]

Yet they aren't, Trumps trade issues with China are negatively affecting Apple's bottom line.

I’m curious to see what happens with China trade relations in a few more weeks of the tariffs and whatever else hardball is being played. It may come out good for us... it just isn’t good in the short term. True.
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Isn't Apple paying more to this administration?



Prove it that the Conservatives have been better for the economy/people from history.



And, don't distance yourself fro the statement you just made - stand by it.

Neither is better - there is middle ground.

My proof is the United States. Why would people rather come here to make a better life for themselves than elsewhere? That can be some proof. The current state of economic wealth is from a conservative take on financial growth: personal responsibility; get what you deserve; work hard; let the market deem what succeeds and fails.

And it’s distancing myself from the eventual political hysterics that happen nowadays. There’s no middle ground anymore: who are you kidding? haha

I’d love to have a reasonable conversation about political disagreements, but I don’t have much hope that anymore. Le’ Sigh. hence the “distancing” because I don’t care to engage with hysterics.

All good my internet dude/dudette.
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or it's not working.

I'd like to see the comparison at Google and Amazon. Especially with how he seems so against Amazon.

Tech doesn't seem to be the big business Trump likes.

Yeah he does hate Amazon. Haha.

It’s not working: might be it, too.

MAYBE the more money is for health related interests maybe that’s Apple’s next big thing.

 

[magicschoolbus]

Oh yeah I’m there. Great group of welcoming Patriots over there. Much more tolerant than the rest of Reddit. May want to have an open mind while we are living in the best historical timeline.

Agreed

 

[KPandian1]

Yeah he does hate Amazon. Haha.

It’s not working: might be it, too. MAYBE the more money is for health related interests maybe that’s Apple’s next big thing.

Maybe he the Patriot Act on Netflix about Amazon - we all love to use Amazon from the outside, don't want to be inside it, working or selling.

 

[itguy06]

It's pretty awesome that you just proved everything I just said, yet fail to even be able to read the charts you give. You posted a line graph that literally showed the unemployment rate falling since 2009! See that line over 2010? That's where 2010 starts. See the line to the left being higher? That means it went down before it got to 2010. See how if you go halfway between 2010 and 2012, it's lower than where the 2010 line is, but higher than 2012? That's because it's continuing to decline in that time.

Really? Here's the chart with a trendline added from 2009-2010....
And here's what a trendline is: https://www.mathsisfun.com/definitions/trend-line.html

Here's 2011-2012:

You dared to call out bumps when there was likely a monthly increase as though they're years! You also fail to note how it seems to have flattened where 2017 would have started, and using your "bump" logic, you should be panicking cuz it's markedly pointing upwards where the line ends... oh no!

Yet you cry "look how Trump is ruining the jobs" because of similar upticks during his watch that happened under pretty much every other Presidency.

For S&G here's 1/1/17 to today

Still a downward trend...

And *I KNEW* you were going to use the very, very, very, very incorrect PLOS chart. If the PLOS chart was accurate, then the ENTIRE CENSUS would have been incorrect ***FOR DECADES*** and birth records would have also noted this in the years after census'. So, to put it directly, your chart is BS.
https://cis.org/Camarota/New-Estimate-22-Million-Illegal-Immigrants-Not-Plausible

It's not MY chart, but part of a study out of MIT and Yale as reported here:https://thehill.com/latino/407848-y...-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us

I can certainly see the Census missing people. If I'm illegal the last thing I'm going to do is fill out a census form correctly.

Funny how you get so heated when the facts fall apart on you

 

[BlazednSleepy]

Are you really saying MR members shouldn’t support our incredible economy? Peace with NKO? Historic GDP?

Y’all must be too young to remember the bad days. We will miss this economy at some point in your lifetime, count on that. Prosper while you can.
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The same thing he will do when he’s out of office (2024) and the economy crashes.

Orange Man Crash Economy.
It’s entirely his fault men, women and children are starving.
Anything good is Obama’s legacy.
Anything bad is Trump’s legacy.
All things remotely bad are and will always be MUH DRUMPFs fault.
There is no middle ground...dems cannot ever do anything wrong ever. Sounds legit.
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You’ve demonstrated peak virtue signaling. Take a bow, it’s an impressive accomplishment! We could all learn from you!

Can you be more specific instead of just pointing fingers and blaming the other side? I asked for actual facts, not for you to be triggered by a legitimate question.

 

[JM]

I'm going to disagree with that. The wealth building conservatives like means wealth building for a few people while everyone else suffers. Sure wealth was created for the top 2% but at the expense of everyone else. After the last two conservative presidents we were left with a recession when they were handed a relatively good economy by their predecessors. It remains to be seen the full impacts of the Trump presidency. The federal workers aren't happy that Trump shut down the government over a promise he couldn't possibly make good on and instead of just saying he tried to make Mexico pay for the wall but couldn't he decided to stick it to the American tax payers and Federal Workers. I'm sure that many people will now avoid working for the government for that reason alone.

Im okay with Tim Cook playing the game. It's what he has to do right now until we get more AOCs in congress.

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The 2% get richer, sure. But would the 2% also hire more people to support their chosen industry? Leading to more employment?

I'm going to disagree with that. The wealth building conservatives like means wealth building for a few people while everyone else suffers. Sure wealth was created for the top 2% but at the expense of everyone else. After the last two conservative presidents we were left with a recession when they were handed a relatively good economy by their predecessors. It remains to be seen the full impacts of the Trump presidency. The federal workers aren't happy that Trump shut down the government over a promise he couldn't possibly make good on and instead of just saying he tried to make Mexico pay for the wall but couldn't he decided to stick it to the American tax payers and Federal Workers. I'm sure that many people will now avoid working for the government for that reason alone.

Im okay with Tim Cook playing the game. It's what he has to do right now until we get more AOCs in congress.

What is this AOC you speak of? I looked it up and I don’t think I like an “area of control” taking over the government. It sounds very Borg like to me.

Lol, kidding.

I do hope there are reasonable candidates in 2020. Heck, maybe the Reps will force a challenger to replace Trump. Probably not... but eh, he’s got an image problem.

The pendulum can’t keep swinging so widely from left to right.

 

[MistrSynistr]

It’s really interesting how many pro-trump comments get upvoted. Indictments are being handed out like hotcakes and people still spouting nonsense about how great this administration is doing.

Haha. You are in for one hell of a surprise soon.

 

[john123]

Sure does cost a lot of money to (try to) convince an idiot to act like less of an idiot.

 

[KPandian1]

The 2% get richer, sure. But would the 2% also hire more people to support their chosen industry? Leading to more employment?

No they don't! That is the illusion of the trickle down economics - proved wrong over and over again. This is not 19th & early 20th century USA, these rich are not investing in the economic development of the USA. They are more like carpetbaggers who are fleeing with the wealth/loot. Just like the wealth that fled the country during the 2000's.

The capital repatriation program failed wonderfully because of this, the top 0.01% just paid themselves. They even lobby against minimum wage increase that literally does not pay for a basic living even at the proposed levels.

 

[T-R-S]

Trump is clearly homophobic - look at his body language sitting next to a gay man - very sad

 

[brendu]

No need to pretend, this shutdown is ALL Drumpf! Rule by edict did not work here, so this temper tantrum; he is literally whining every day on TV and via Twitter.

Nooo it’s half trump. Pelosi is acting like a child here too. Democrats refuse to sign a bill that includes things many of them have said we needed on more than one occasion. Just now that trump says we should do it they have to act all upset and pretend it’s horrible. It’s a ****ing sham and they should all be locked in a room together with no food or breaks until it’s solved.

 

[Mackinjosh]

Please don't pretend that both parties have not contributed to this shutdown.

The dems are contributing by not giving into a petulant whiny baby. How is that "both sides are bad" worthy? Trump for a year promised voters Mexico would pay for the wall. Idiots believed him. Now he has denied pay to 800,000 workers because he's mad that no one will give him 5 billion of American tax payer money to build his idiotic wall. Again, please explain how this is a "both sides are being bad" scenario.

 

[brendu]

The dems are contributing by not giving into a petulant whiny baby. How is that "both sides are bad" worthy? Trump for a year promised voters Mexico would pay for the wall. Idiots believed him. Now he has denied pay to 800,000 workers because he's mad that no one will give him 5 billion of American tax payer money to build his idiotic wall. Again, please explain how this is a "both sides are being bad" scenario.

What bill has Congress handed him to sign?

 

[AdonisSMU]

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The 2% get richer, sure. But would the 2% also hire more people to support their chosen industry? Leading to more employment?

Now they wouldn't hire more people if there was no reason to hire more people. Why would you hire more people for any other reason than you actually need more people to run your business better? It doesn't make financial sense.

 

[JGRE]

Fake news? No, fake president.

 

[KPandian1]

What bill has Congress handed him to sign?

McConnell just blocked a bill to reopen the government - today! You still want to blame the Democrats? The one thing they won't give is the Wall.

Drumpf already owned the shutdown - or did you miss that rant?

Open the government, stop torturing the employees and the rest of the USA affected by this. Then let the country live.

 

[BuffaloTF]

Really? Here's the chart with a trendline added from 2009-2010....
And here's what a trendline is: https://www.mathsisfun.com/definitions/trend-line.html
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Here's 2011-2012:
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Yet you cry "look how Trump is ruining the jobs" because of similar upticks during his watch that happened under pretty much every other Presidency.

For S&G here's 1/1/17 to today
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Still a downward trend...



It's not MY chart, but part of a study out of MIT and Yale as reported here:https://thehill.com/latino/407848-y...-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us

I can certainly see the Census missing people. If I'm illegal the last thing I'm going to do is fill out a census form correctly.

Funny how you get so heated when the facts fall apart on you

You’re really bad with graphs and dates.

It’s been at a downward slope starting in 2009. It reached a high point of 10% in October 2009 and has been dropping ever since steadily and continuing at the same rate it was left at in spite of having a much larger workforce now than then. At no point did it crest 10% again. Is October 2009 in the year 2009? Yeah? Then welcome to being wrong.

Fin.

 

[farewelwilliams]

Please don't pretend that both parties have not contributed to this shutdown.

Trump didn't shutdown the government this long when republicans controlled congress. Why couldn't he get funding for the wall then?

Oh but suddenly when democrats controlled the house, he shut down the government and put the blame on them (even though he clearly stated the blame would be on him).

Don't pretend you didn't know this.
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It’s really interesting how many pro-trump comments get upvoted. Indictments are being handed out like hotcakes and people still spouting nonsense about how great this administration is doing.

i'm actually keeping a list of all the people upvoting these pro-trump comments.

for future reference of course

 

[JM]

Now they wouldn't hire more people if there was no reason to hire more people. Why would you hire more people for any other reason than you actually need more people to run your business better? It doesn't make financial sense.

Well, yes, of course

The question I asked is meant to support why a rich, job-creating 2% is better than a socialist, idealistic society (no offense meant).

Your example is a good point for something, but for a something different.

Obviously, yes, the 2% wouldn’t hire beyond what is necessary to make their lucrative venture possible: that would be unwise.

I think it was Cortez that said she didn’t think it was good for a society to create a scenario where someone could makes billions of dollars?

It seems unfair that there are the poor and the billionaires, but perhaps we as society just need to concentrate on the absolute best that we can do for ourselves and those we care about, and the environment of freedom that the US creates allows individuals to make it as best they can.

Personally, I’ll never be uber-rich because I don’t have a killer instinct to run a business or be an entrepreneur, or get super lucky and make it rich in an artistic field; but I work as best I know how to make it in the world and make an okay paycheck to survive.

Overall, if we all have iPhone pocket computers, we’re doing pretty good we should all rail against marketing and consumerism so we can feel more content with what we got.

Good chat, thanks

 

[KPandian1]

The 2% get richer, sure. But would the 2% also hire more people to support their chosen industry? Leading to more employment?

What income level do you have as a cutoff for the top 2% - the ones who are going to create jobs?

Or is it a wealth-size indicator that is the mark?

Either way, the money is not going to them - it is to the top 0.1 - 0.01% who got the money from the tax cuts and repatriation, the same who also employ people in the capacity of small business or large industries.

Am I right in saying that some stats released in this decade said that the top 1% made about $300-350K per annum?

 

[jerwin]

Again, please explain how this is a "both sides are being bad" scenario.

There are two (and only two) sides. Therefore it is appropriate to speak of both sides. Duh.

 

[KPandian1]

There are two sides. Therefore it is appropriate to speak of both sides.

Can you imagine such language, especially Dan Aykroyd's famous line - "Jane, You ignorant slut!" The rest of the back and forth by Jane Curtis and Dan.

Meanwhile, this guy is in the news! Sheriff Richard K. Jones, Butler County, Ohio. How many has he jailed - I mean the employers?

Cheap violin string!
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Oh, OK. Thanks for the info!

Glad you agree!


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