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It's funny how in America we venerate the American Revolution but when the actual revolution comes to our doorstep then most folks get scared when rioting and burning start to happen. Hmm...
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My parents' homeland in Taiwan did everything flawlessly in response to COVID-19. Apparently we learned that female presidents/leaders are just more gifted naturally at dealing with natural disasters/responses than the oafish guys. In fact, our current dictator is a model of what not to do.

Germans and New Zealanders will probably agree.
 
My parents' homeland in Taiwan did everything flawlessly in response to COVID-19. Apparently we learned that female presidents/leaders are just more gifted naturally at dealing with natural disasters/responses than the oafish guys. In fact, our current dictator is a model of what not to do.
Taiwan is a truly great country, nowadays. (Yes: country). I’m a white guy American. I’ve spent ~6 months in Taiwan in two trips (1990 and 1998) and was involved with a local for a long while. Taiwanese people are my favorite people in the world, I think. They love food, life, freedom, food, culture, food, history, sex, equality, food, language, honor, food, beauty, on and on. And food :). I love it there.

Taiwanese honor life and the rights of all other people to live in freedom and health. Even if they don’t relate closely or understand those other people, due to religion or gay or black or whatever else, those things are less important than the other person’s basic humanity. It is not surprising to me that they have worked together and done what it takes to make sure everybody gets through this crisis, mostly together. Even if it costs them personal autonomy for a while. And they can do it again, stat, if that again is required.

The United States could learn a lot about freedom and success — what it takes to achieve those things — from Taiwan. We desperately need to learn it. Because we are failing at it badly.
 
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It's a very common term.

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Depends where you are from. Its not a term in common usage in the UK.
 
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Depends where you are from. Its not a term in common usage in the UK.
That’s very funny because I had considered replying to say it was a Britishism lol... I’ve spent some time in Britain and have recent English heritage. But I definitely could be wrong or, likely, out of date. I’m getting older and my Brit relatives were much older still. And, to your point, British and/or English does not necessarily equal UK.

It’s possible it’s a New York-ism. The city is famous for its shutters on storefronts — clattering metal coverings that roll up and down on opening and closing of the shop.
 
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That’s very funny because I had considered replying to say it was a Britishism lol... I’ve spent some time in Britain and have recent English heritage. But I definitely could be wrong or, likely, out of date. I’m getting older and my Brit relatives were much older still. And, to your point, British and/or English does not necessarily equal UK.

It’s possible it’s a New York-ism. The city is famous for its shutters on storefronts — clattering metal coverings that roll up and down on opening and closing of the shop.

More recently I've seen it in the UK (not often though). But generally speaking if you said to to someone in the UK the store was shuttered we'd understand it, but we'd probably pause for a moment to compose ourselves.
 
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Why do people, willingly, or due to being uninformed, COMPLETELY ignore the fact that ALL of these deaths, hospitalizations, and infections were with THE UNITED STATES SHUT DOWN! If things were not shut down, the effects would have been catastrophic.

The failed argument, "But the flu!" is so poor that I'm surprised anybody who feels they're intelligent using it. The flu infection rate is with people NOT STAYING HOME. The flu death rate is with people NOT STAYING HOME. The death rate for Covid-19, according to statistics as of now, is more than 500x's than that of the flu, again... WITH THE COUNTRY SHUT DOWN.

Covid-19 is going to be a major problem until there's a vaccine. If you think this is "Just the flu," you're terribly uninformed and I suggest you do some research that goes beyond tweets, soundbites, and headlines.
 
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Not me. If I get it, I get it. The virus needs to run its course.
This new virus has caught almost everyone unprepared. Unexpected high figures, minor knowledge on cure, on the treatment of asymptomatics, what are the consequences after recovery, is it wearing a mask effective or not, in the end a vaccine is far from ready and so on. For sure everyone has learned something in these 4 months: Covid-19 and karma have made a strong and undeniable bond. I wonder what it's preparing for those like you.
 
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Not me. If I get it, I get it. The virus needs to run its course.

IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU GETTING OR NOT GETTING IT. IT'S ABOUT SPREADING THE VIRUS VIA AEROSOLS TO OTHER PEOPLE. OLDER PEOPLE OR YOUNGER PEOPLE WITH CERTAIN DISEASES. PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE. BUT THEY MIGHT DIE OR GET THEIR LUNGS IRREPARABLY DAMAGED BECAUSE OF YOUR IGNORANCE.

IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
 
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IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU GETTING OR NOT GETTING IT. IT'S ABOUT SPREADING THE VIRUS VIA AEROSOLS TO OTHER PEOPLE. OLDER PEOPLE, YOUNGER PEOPLE WITH CERTAIN DISEASES. THEY MIGHT DIE BECAUSE OF YOUR F....ING IGNORANCE.

IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

You mad, bro? LOL
 
You mad, bro? LOL

Actually, no. I am rather disappointed. I don't think you understand or comprehend any of your actions or what is going on around the world. Or make comparrisons between certain countries and why after several months, Apple can open their shops in some countries without any issues and in other's they decided to close them down again.

But I don't want to waste our time any longer.
 
Prior to the existence of vaccines which targeted specific viruses, Human beings never managed to build immunity to the following:

Measles
Mumps
Polio
Smallpox
The Black Plague
Scarlett Fever
Nephritis

Those are just off the top of my head. The Common Cold is part of the Covid strain of virii (sp?). I don't know of anyone who is immune to the Common Cold.

There is one interesting exception to Smallpox immunity: People who contracted Cow Pox were noted as being able to come in contact with those who suffered from Smallpox without getting sick. In 1796, Edward Jenner inoculated volunteers with a vaccine containing the Cow Pox virus and the Smallpox vaccine was born.

COVID-19 is not going away until a vaccine can be synthesized. These people who constantly harp about "Herd Immunity" and swear that some virologists have "already demonstrated" that if we just do nothing - no masks, no social distancing - that we'll all get COVID-19 and most of us will "be ok" are the same people who think COVID-19 was created specifically to make Donald Trump "look bad." Of course, they're the same people who don't care if other people's children, parents, or grand-parents succumb to COVID-19 - as long as it isn't their own.

Why do Americans buy into nonsense medical claims so easily? They don't believe doctors or scientists but will believe without question some Youtube video. I don't get it.
 
I don't care. Wear a mask, look ridiculous. Makes no difference to me.

Vain much?

Not me. If I get it, I get it. The virus needs to run its course.

Some people just want their posthumous 15 minutes of fame, I guess.

An Ohio man died from complications related to the COVID-19 coronavirus disease weeks after he downplayed the virus on social media.
 
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Prior to the existence of vaccines which targeted specific viruses, Human beings never managed to build immunity to the following:

Measles
Mumps
Polio
Smallpox
The Black Plague
Scarlett Fever
Nephritis

Those are just off the top of my head. The Common Cold is part of the Covid strain of virii (sp?). I don't know of anyone who is immune to the Common Cold.

There is one interesting exception to Smallpox immunity: People who contracted Cow Pox were noted as being able to come in contact with those who suffered from Smallpox without getting sick. In 1796, Edward Jenner inoculated volunteers with a vaccine containing the Cow Pox virus and the Smallpox vaccine was born.

COVID-19 is not going away until a vaccine can be synthesized. These people who constantly harp about "Herd Immunity" and swear that some virologists have "already demonstrated" that if we just do nothing - no masks, no social distancing - that we'll all get COVID-19 and most of us will "be ok" are the same people who think COVID-19 was created specifically to make Donald Trump "look bad." Of course, they're the same people who don't care if other people's children, parents, or grand-parents succumb to COVID-19 - as long as it isn't their own.

Why do Americans buy into nonsense medical claims so easily? They don't believe doctors or scientists but will believe without question some Youtube video. I don't get it.
it has to do with the sorts of people who would get on a boat to leave Europe to cross an ocean and start over, often with little plan or support structure. A good many of us are descended from basically Vikings who didn’t give a **** and knew better than the established order.

More specifically, many of us descended from those crazy bastards who actually survived doing that insane thing. We do what we want and **** anybody who tells us that doing what feels right is wrong. I’m not kidding here. That, along with having natural resources that were untapped for longer than other places, is the actual explanation of American “exceptionalism.”

I love our country but we are arrogant and bull-headed ********s sometimes. It’s served us well and made us strong. We defeated every enemy, or turned them into friends or partners, or just ignored them....until we found an enemy able to match us, strength for strength. That enemy isn’t COVID-19.

The enemy is us.
 
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MattMJB0188 said:

"I don't care. Wear a mask, look ridiculous. Makes no difference to me."

The Greatest Generation would have worn masks. They would have considered it their patriotic duty whether they were Americans, or British, or any other nationality. Matt reminds me of the handful of Americans who, in the 1940s while everyone else followed rationing and bought their fair share of goods with ration stamps, ignored rationing and bought beef, sugar, and tires off the black market and didn't care if their neighbors (or serving military) went without.

"I'm an American! I got rights! As long as I have money to buy steak, nobody has a right to tell me I can't! I don't have to care about anyone else but me and my family! I'm not responsible for you, I'm only responsible for me!"

This is how selfish Americans justify their selfishness today. They have a very naive and childish interpretation of their Constitutional Rights. There was a time Americans, even as bigoted as they were, still thought collectively and believed we were in this together. Now a 1/3 of the country are so selfish they can't be inconvenienced by a little piece of cloth or paper fiber. They cling to nonsense they hear on Youtube or Social Media to justify that selfishness. They seem to understand "No shirt, no shoes, no service" but go ga-ga over the addition of "no mask." Pathetic.
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it has to do with the sorts of people who would get on a boat to leave Europe to cross an ocean and start over, often with little plan or support structure. A good many of us are descended from basically Vikings who didn’t give a **** and knew better than the established order.

More specifically, many of us descended from those crazy bastards who actually survived doing that insane thing. We do what we want and **** anybody who tells us that doing what feels right is wrong. I’m not kidding here. That, along with having natural resources that were untapped for longer than other places, is the actual explanation of American “exceptionalism.”

I love our country but we are arrogant and bull-headed ********s sometimes. It’s served us well and made us strong. We defeated every enemy, or turned them into friends or partners, or just ignored them....until we found an enemy able to match us, strength for strength. That enemy isn’t COVID-19.

The enemy is us.

Friend, no matter who you think you descended from, you were NEVER immune to polio, tuberculosis, Scarlett Fever, the Black Plague, or smallpox. NEVER, nor can you demonstrate your ancestors were. I come from some pretty sturdy European stock but at least two of my family members contracted polio back in the late 40s and early 50s. You're not better than anyone else or less susceptible to disease for which you haven't been vaccinated. It is just silly excuse-making on a grand scale. We're already seeing confirmed cases of re-infection of COVID. Just because you don't hear family tales of a member who contracted one of these diseases *does not mean they were immune.*. Some people managed to survive without contracting them through sheer luck, or keeping clean, or by being extremely careful.

If you think you're immune then, by all means, make yourself useful and go volunteer in a hospital. Let another medical worker wear your protective gear since you won't need it. We'll wait.
 
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MattMJB0188 said:

"I don't care. Wear a mask, look ridiculous. Makes no difference to me."

The Greatest Generation would have worn masks. They would have considered it their patriotic duty whether they were Americans, or British, or any other nationality. Matt reminds me of the handful of Americans who, in the 1940s while everyone else followed rationing and bought their fair share of goods with ration stamps, ignored rationing and bought beef, sugar, and tires off the black market and didn't care if their neighbors (or serving military) went without.

"I'm an American! I got rights! As long as I have money to buy steak, nobody has a right to tell me I can't! I don't have to care about anyone else but me and my family! I'm not responsible for you, I'm only responsible for me!"

This is how selfish Americans justify their selfishness today. They have a very naive and childish interpretation of their Constitutional Rights. There was a time Americans, even as bigoted as they were, still thought collectively and believed we were in this together. Now a 1/3 of the country are so selfish they can't be inconvenienced by a little piece of cloth or paper fiber. They cling to nonsense they hear on Youtube or Social Media to justify that selfishness. They seem to understand "No shirt, no shoes, no service" but go ga-ga over the addition of "no mask." Pathetic.
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Friend, no matter who you think you descended from, you were NEVER immune to polio, tuberculosis, Scarlett Fever, the Black Plague, or smallpox. NEVER, nor can you demonstrate your ancestors were. I come from some pretty sturdy European stock but at least two of my family members contracted polio back in the late 40s and early 50s. You're not better than anyone else or less susceptible to disease for which you haven't been vaccinated. It is just silly excuse-making on a grand scale. We're already seeing confirmed cases of re-infection of COVID. Just because you don't hear family tales of a member who contracted one of these diseases *does not mean they were immune.*. Some people managed to survive without contracting them through sheer luck, or keeping clean, or by being extremely careful.

If you think you're immune then, by all means, make yourself useful and go volunteer in a hospital. Let another medical worker wear your protective gear since you won't need it. We'll wait.

You completely misunderstood my point. Entirely. Read it again. Does it strike you I was complimenting our insane need to ignore authority figures and do whatever we want? I wasn’t. Those characteristics may well have served us well in the past, but they are lethal in the face of COVID-19.
 
You completely misunderstood my point. Entirely. Read it again. Does it strike you I was complimenting our insane need to ignore authority figures and do whatever we want? I wasn’t. Those characteristics may well have served us well in the past, but they are lethal in the face of COVID-19.

You're right, I misunderstood you. My apologies. I've read so much nonsense lately from people who swear, "none of my people ever got any of these diseases - that's proof some of us developed immunity to them" it makes my head spin.
 
...and no matter what Matt claims about not wearing a mask, Matt probably can't point to anywhere he lives that requires a mask out in public but you can be sure of one thing: Matt doesn't get to buy goods from shops that insist he wear a mask and would kick him the hell out if he tried to violate their policy.
 
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