Apple Continues Store Closures Amid Covid-19 Spike, Now Shuttering 14 Locations in Florida

[Winni]

Not me. If I get it, I get it. The virus needs to run its course.

If you get, you will spread it, you might die, and others you've spread it to might die as well - and Covid-19 kills its victims in a very, very painful way.

You mad, bro? LOL

You completely stupid and ignorant, bro? (That was a rhetorical question. And there I go, getting banned again. LOL.)

 

[cmaier]

If you get, you will spread it, you might die, and others you've spread it to might die as well - and Covid-19 kills its victims in a very, very painful way.



You completely stupid and ignorant, bro? (That was a rhetorical question. And there I go, getting banned again. LOL.)

I like your underlying message, but i suggest you remove the last part because you probably WILL be suspended.

 

[Mike Haas]

Why do stupidity and selfish behavior seem to go hand-in-hand? Why do people who open/conceal carry insist the rest of us shouldn't "live in fear?" Those are rhetorical questions. He has infected his family and friends but seems to think if he has it, we all should have it and that's how we win against the Government!

“I was diagnosed yesterday at the ER with COVID-19,” Walters said, “and here I am months after not wearing a mask at rallies, churches and so on, and so it’s funny how capricious this thing is."

"I just want to educate people,” Walters said. “Don’t live in fear, chances are that everyone is going to get this.”

"Walters’ wife and family members have also been tested for the virus, and he encouraged anyone else who had come into contact with him in recent weeks to pay attention to possible symptoms, but said he would not provide information to public health officials for use in contact tracing."

“I will not share anybody’s information with the government,” he said. “I will not do it.”

Man...so much winning.

Co-founder of ReOpen Maryland tests positive for COVID-19: 'It’s funny how capricious this thing is'

The co-founder of the ReOpen Maryland movement says he has tested posted for the coronavirus.Tim Walters posted a series of Facebook videos about his illness, but said he would not cooperate with contact-tracing efforts by public health officials, reported The Baltimore Sun.“I was diagnosed...

www.rawstory.com

 

[bjet767]

I'm always amazed in this COVID media world how many "experts" there are out there willing to corporately pool their ignorance.

The COVID is a virus.

It can't be controlled, pushed, pulled, eradicated via politics, guns, or physical war. Legitimate science and medicine define only three ways for it to "go away."

1. It mutates into a more benign virus.
2. An effective vaccine is developed which builds human immunity to it.
3. Everyone who is infected are permanently locked up and separated from those who aren't.

How quickly it is forgotten the way to "save lives" through social distancing and masks aren't done prevent the spread they're done to slow the spread.

Slowing the spread "save lives" by keeping the medical facilities available to provide care to those who are seriously systematic infected.

No I never like or want to be seriously ill, but the facts are (do your own research BTW) it is impossible to prevent the spread of this virus, only slow it. Eventually, many legit scientists (not your garden variety statistics throwers) state, most of us will get it.

Can we move on?

Personally I think Apple is closing the stores to make a political statement. Did anyone notice the color of the States where the stores are closing?

 

[x-evil-x]

Actually, he probably hasn't. To spread COVID, you have to be infected + careless. Most of the people being careless are acting that way because the disease hasn't actually hit their doorsteps and they don't think it's real.

Tell that too all the people getting it in Arizona. Most people don’t know they have it and are spreading it to others.

 

[Mike Haas]

I'm always amazed in this COVID media world how many "experts" there are out there willing to corporately pool their ignorance.

The COVID is a virus.

It can't be controlled, pushed, pulled, eradicated via politics, guns, or physical war. Legitimate science and medicine define only three ways for it to "go away."

1. It mutates into a more benign virus.
2. An effective vaccine is developed which builds human immunity to it.
3. Everyone who is infected are permanently locked up and separated from those who aren't.

How quickly it is forgotten the way to "save lives" through social distancing and masks aren't done prevent the spread they're done to slow the spread.

Slowing the spread "save lives" by keeping the medical facilities available to provide care to those who are seriously systematic infected.

No I never like or want to be seriously ill, but the facts are (do your own research BTW) it is impossible to prevent the spread of this virus, only slow it. Eventually, many legit scientists (not your garden variety statistics throwers) state, most of us will get it.

Can we move on?

Personally I think Apple is closing the stores to make a political statement. Did anyone notice the color of the States where the stores are closing?

I'm grateful they don't think this way in Germany. We're doing great, as is Austria, as is South Korea, as is the apparent country of origin, China, because people refused to fall for such fatalistic claptrap as you are spouting, and get busy and follow the rules. It worked - we'll see if the Fall brings a 2nd wave. State by state, we're doing wonderfully well. Right now, our state, Rheinland-Pfalz is reporting 0 cases and we've been clean for over a month. Meanwhile, North-Rhein-Westphalia is back under a stringent lockdown because a meatpacking plant failed to take precautions to protect their workers and the 800 who worked there spread it to another 1,100 people.

And, no - closing those shops isn't political. Opening them when they knew they were taking a huge risk at infection was the political decision. "Do your own research" usually means, "watch this Youtube video." No thanks, I'll continue to listen to our medical experts here as well as the World Health Organization. Your entire pitch sounds a lot like, "c'mon, open everything back up so I'm not inconvenienced."

Which members of YOUR family are you willing to sacrifice for this phony economic recovery that so far, is failing miserably? You speak for YOUR family - don't stand behind decisions that turn the tap back on for Billionaires but put my family at risk.

 

[Stevie jobz 2.0]

Most ridiculous thing ever closing stores over this, yet alone the economy. And yes I am one of those people who refuses to wear a face mask in public.

And that's when natural selection comes into play....

 

[bjet767]

Which members of YOUR family are you willing to sacrifice for this phony economic recovery that so far, is failing miserably? You speak for YOUR family - don't stand behind decisions that turn the tap back on for Billionaires but put my family at risk.

"Do you own research" means actually reading the papers, examine the statements, facts and decisions of those "experts" you mentioned and coming to a conclusion which may or may not agree with others. Pooling our corporate ignorance is what you and or I do as we join others in spreading panic and mania to others.

Comprehension of what is written is vital to understanding. Please read again and consider what you have written and contain your vitriol emotions for more appropriate matters.

Additionally, if you believe politics has absolutely nothing to do with how all things, yes the entire world community and all as in everything humans are engaged in, well, there's not much else to write about then.

I also have to add if you are bragging about success well sorry to inform you, it's still spreading, even in Germany as you "reopen." None of us are immune to the effects of the COVID.

Flare-Up in Virus Cases Sets Back Germany’s Efforts to Reopen (Published 2020)

Regional authorities have locked down two counties for the first time since the country’s broader reopening, which had been considered a success.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Mike Haas]

"Do you own research" means actually reading the papers, examine the statements, facts and decisions of those "experts" you mentioned and coming to a conclusion which may or may not agree with others. Pooling our corporate ignorance is what you and or I do as we join others in spreading panic and mania to others.

Comprehension of what is written is vital to understanding. Please read again and consider what you have written and contain your vitriol emotions for more appropriate matters.

Additionally, if you believe politics has absolutely nothing to with how all things, yes the entire world community and all as in everything humans are engaged in, well, there's not much else to write about then.

Yup, I read the newspapers, mostly European sources, and since they are in general agreement with what the experts and the WHO are saying, I'm pretty much covered. Sounds to me like you choose news sources that provide "alternative facts," that is to say, tell you what you want to hear. It's always the same broken record, "you can't trust the medical professionals and scientists! You can't trust the World Health Organization! They're all in cahoots!" Herd Immunity! (or alternately, "Nothing Can Save us!"). Everything you've written so far sounds precisely like someone who feels greatly inconvenienced by any strategy meant to prevent suffering and that will ultimately make the American Governors who wouldn't cooperate with the advice of the World's Medical Community at-large look bad unless *every* US state opens up for business as usual. The only people who have made this into a "political" issue rather than a health issue are ultra-conservatives who are afraid of losing American elections in November because of their ridiculous lack of leadership. So...what about the "color" of the states where Apple is closing stores again?

 

[cmaier]

Yup, I read the newspapers, mostly European sources, and since they are in general agreement with what the experts and the WHO are saying, I'm pretty much covered. Sounds to me like you choose news sources that provide "alternative facts," that is to say, tell you what you want to hear. It's always the same broken record, "you can't trust the medical professionals and scientists! You can't trust the World Health Organization! They're all in cahoots!" Herd Immunity! (or alternately, "Nothing Can Save us!"). Everything you've written so far sounds precisely like someone who feels greatly inconvenienced by any strategy meant to prevent suffering and that will ultimately make the American Governors who wouldn't cooperate with the advice of the World's Medical Community at-large look bad unless *every* US state opens up for business as usual. The only people who have made this into a "political" issue rather than a health issue are ultra-conservatives who are afraid of losing American elections in November because of their ridiculous lack of leadership. So...what about the "color" of the states where Apple is closing stores again?

I have to admit, it is pretty funny to read what german-language publications in germany, austria, switzerland say about us. I read them to practice my german, and they’ve gotten pretty weird since the pandemic began,

 

[bjet767]

So...what about the "color" of the states where Apple is closing stores again?

Has nothing to do with race/racism, if that's what you are implying.

Back to what I wrote:

The virus will not and has not gone away. There is no "2nd wave," only the previously uninfected coming into contact with the infection.

Which of the three points did you miss and if you actually paid attention to your leaders you might notice all their actions point to slowing the spread of COVID. You might also consider how they are using the "R" factor to determine lockdowns. Which fit under, "keep the uninfected away from the he infected."

Since it is impossible to completely do, "lock people completely down," until there is an effective vaccine the only hope is too "slow" (as in "R" facto) the spread.

Or hope the virus mutates and herd immunity happens.

 

[sofila]

Why do stupidity and selfish behavior seem to go hand-in-hand?

Sum of several elements:
-need of attention, to chase it going against the current compared to others is a simple safe method.
-the social circle, generally formed by members of similar views, hence the lack of confrontation and criticism, therefore:
-the absence of a partner or friend who says to you: "but what the *** are you saying"
-finally the big problem, which we suffer more or less all: changing your mind thanks to new inputs is not seen as a virtue but as a sign of weakness

 

[Stephen.R]

-finally the big problem, which we suffer more or less all: changing your mind thanks to new inputs is not seen as a virtue but as a sign of weakness

I guarantee you not everyone sees that as a weakness. It’s basically the definition of how scientific theories change over time.

 

[sofila]

I guarantee you not everyone sees that as a weakness. It’s basically the definition of how scientific theories change over time.

yes, I have generalized a little too much but we can say that it is a trait of several human beings.

 

[Stephen.R]

yes, I have generalized a little too much but we can say that it is a trait of several human beings.

Yes very much so.

 

[sofila]

The virus will not and has not gone away. There is no "2nd wave," only the previously uninfected coming into contact with the infection.

Just a question:
Are we sure that those already infected will be safe later?

 

[cardfan]

If you get, you will spread it, you might die, and others you've spread it to might die as well - and Covid-19 kills its victims in a very, very painful way.



You completely stupid and ignorant, bro? (That was a rhetorical question. And there I go, getting banned again. LOL.)

99.4 % survival rate. Keep the hysterics to yourself please. Vast majority don’t even realize they have it.

Go research flu. Flu vaccines are hardly that effective. We live with it. Thousand die annually from it. And it’s not a great way to die either. Get a grip.

Eventually you’ll get covid 19. Vaccine or no vaccine. Accept it. And people will die. Just like they do from flu.

 

[compwiz1202]

I’ve seen that too. Incredibly frustrating. The selfishness. Whew.

I guess they don't realize sound waves can get through. Unless someone reads lips, you don't need them to see your mouth when you talk.
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Great to see Apple thinking about their staff's health, which in turn is the right message to the population that they don't feel it's in the best interest of the community to be open.
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Yanks love to reinvent the English language. They should call it American (I'd guess a lot do think it as being the American language)

Well shuttering is most likely because some stores in malls will literally bring down a metal shutter and lock it when they leave.

 

[Stephen.R]

Just like they do from flu.

When was the last time 120K people died in America in a single flu season?
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We live with it. Thousand die annually from it.

Flu also comes seasonally. It isn’t prevalent year round. There is every reason to expect covid19 has no such limitations: it’s affecting countries all over the world, regardless of their current season.

 

[Mike Haas]

Last year, the Flu killed 30,000 people in a YEAR. COVID has killed nearly 130,000 Americans in the course of a few months. The Flu doesn't devastate the entire body. Make no mistake: there is a direct link between people who insist on downplaying the serious and deadly nature of this virus and the politicians they vote for and support and those politicians the very same politicians who utterly failed to address this virus in any meaningful way for over 3 months.
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I have to admit, it is pretty funny to read what german-language publications in germany, austria, switzerland say about us. I read them to practice my german, and they’ve gotten pretty weird since the pandemic began,

My German is still terrible and we've lived over here since 2011. We're Americans who worked for the Gov't and decided to retire here because we bought a house and live in a beautiful area. I remember President and Mrs. Obama were on the cover of every magazine every day and the Germans loved them and still do and talked about them endlessly. Germans used to ask me a lot of questions about life in the United States. Ever since the current President has been in office, the Germans here are just...incredulous, along with the rest of Europe and the very same Germans I see nearly every day don't want to talk about the US anymore.

Before anyone asks, as long as I pay American taxes I will participate in American elections. You never stop loving your country of origin.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

With a 99.4% survival rate, I'm guessing it's not the end of the world..

Probably not, but it will be an experience you'll never forget.

 

[cmaier]

My German is still terrible and we've lived over here since 2011. We're Americans who worked for the Gov't and decided to retire here because we bought a house and live in a beautiful area. I remember President and Mrs. Obama were on the cover of every magazine every day and the Germans loved them and still do and talked about them endlessly. Germans used to ask me a lot of questions about life in the United States. Ever since the current President has been in office, the Germans here are just...incredulous, along with the rest of Europe and the very same Germans I see nearly every day don't want to talk about the US anymore.

Before anyone asks, as long as I pay American taxes I will participate in American elections. You never stop loving your country of origin.

I have german colleagues i need to talk to by video now and again, and every conversation discussing america has "verrueckt" in it. (Lest i run afoul of forum rules - that means "crazy")

 

[Analog Kid]

Repeat after me:

SARS-CoV-2 is not the flu.
Social distancing is not about waiting for a vaccine.

SARS-CoV-2 is not the flu.
Social distancing is not about waiting for a vaccine.

SARS-CoV-2 is not the flu.
Social distancing is not about waiting for a vaccine.


Beyond using the 1918 influenza as a parable of what can happen if a dangerous disease is unchecked, there's as much reason to compare the flu and covid as there is to compare rattlesnake and bear attacks. They're completely different species.

99.4 % survival rate. Keep the hysterics to yourself please. Vast majority don’t even realize they have it.

Go research flu. Flu vaccines are hardly that effective. We live with it. Thousand die annually from it. And it’s not a great way to die either. Get a grip.

Eventually you’ll get covid 19. Vaccine or no vaccine. Accept it. And people will die. Just like they do from flu.

The argument in favor of managing the pandemic is to reduce the loss of life. What is your argument in favor of doing nothing?

Saying "it doesn't make a difference" isn't an argument to not do it-- that literally means there's no downside. If your opinion is that it makes no difference, and the opinion of many experts in these fields is that it might, then humility suggests following the path you think makes no difference but which may have an upside if you're wrong.



Did your research on flu give you any insight into the impact of influenza on the world before and after the global effort to annually mass produce a targeted vaccine and use it widely.



You, and others, constantly confuse the seasonal flu with pandemic flus. You are comparing the current pandemic with seasonal influenza. That is why the influenza benchmark people reach for is 1918, when a novel strain ripped through the population just as a novel coronavirus is now.

The difference between seasonal and pandemic is precisely how the global immune system is prepared for it. If the strains of influenza making the rounds are familiar to the immune system the results are much more manageable. Familiarity comes from having fought it, or a near cousin, off before or having practiced on a vaccine-- so vaccination is a way of retarding the spread of the virus, just like being previously infected is. If it is a strain new and different enough that people lack immunity for it, the results are much worse.


But again, beyond use as a teaching device on how the human immune system works and an existence proof for what can happen if we turn our back on a bad disease, the flu and covid are different diseases with different characteristics that work in different ways.

 

[Mike Haas]

Repeat after me:

SARS-CoV-2 is not the flu.
Social distancing is not about waiting for a vaccine.

SARS-CoV-2 is not the flu.
Social distancing is not about waiting for a vaccine.

SARS-CoV-2 is not the flu.
Social distancing is not about waiting for a vaccine.


Beyond using the 1918 influenza as a parable of what can happen if a dangerous disease is unchecked, there's as much reason to compare the flu and covid as there is to compare rattlesnake and bear attacks. They're completely different species.



The argument in favor of managing the pandemic is to reduce the loss of life. What is your argument in favor of doing nothing?

Saying "it doesn't make a difference" isn't an argument to not do it-- that literally means there's no downside. If your opinion is that it makes no difference, and the opinion of many experts in these fields is that it might, then humility suggests following the path you think makes no difference but which may have an upside if you're wrong.



Did your research on flu give you any insight into the impact of influenza on the world before and after the global effort to annually mass produce a targeted vaccine and use it widely.



You, and others, constantly confuse the seasonal flu with pandemic flus. You are comparing the current pandemic with seasonal influenza. That is why the influenza benchmark people reach for is 1918, when a novel strain ripped through the population just as a novel coronavirus is now.

The difference between seasonal and pandemic is precisely how the global immune system is prepared for it. If the strains of influenza making the rounds are familiar to the immune system the results are much more manageable. Familiarity comes from having fought it, or a near cousin, off before or having practiced on a vaccine-- so vaccination is a way of retarding the spread of the virus, just like being previously infected is. If it is a strain new and different enough that people lack immunity for it, the results are much worse.


But again, beyond use as a teaching device on how the human immune system works and an existence proof for what can happen if we turn our back on a bad disease, the flu and covid are different diseases with different characteristics that work in different ways.

One of the best replies I've read so far, thanks.

Florida just saw a spike of 9,000 cases *in a single day.* Ok, so the majority will survive but that doesn't mean that many of the survivors will ever be the same physically after recovering. The seasonal Flu does not devastate the body and turn one's lungs into the consistency of dry marshmallow requiring intubation at ridiculously high air pressures to get oxygen to the body. 130,000 Americans died *in the course of a few months.* Imagine what that number is going to be in a year if this idiotic attitude of "I'm going to do nothing to help myself or others* remains prevalent.

19 years ago we cried for weeks over the deaths of 3,000 people. 19 years later the deaths of 130,000 "is just a number." I had this argument with someone else who insisted you don't mourn people who died from an illness; only those killed by a hated enemy are worthy of national mourning...

 

[atmenterprises]

Cloth masks is more of virtue signaling than it actually being affective.

It's effective, but please continue telling people they don't know how to read a chart.