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Not a chance. This would already be over with if we'd just never shut anything down to begin with. For some stupid reason people seem to prefer dragging this out forever.

Totally agreed! There are a lot of idiots that we protected from death with these closures. We missed an opportunity when nature was cleaning up the mess. What a waste!
 
I agree. Close a store down completely is silly. At least allow pick up, or curb side. Cases mean nothing. Look at the deaths. Deaths have been steadily going down and down. We need to stop focusing on cases. This is about deaths and ICU's.... but everyone has an agenda these days.
I assume you’re not old or heavy right. Or have any family that is.
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You are making a mistake. Please care enough about other Americans to humor them, at the absolute least. If you want stores open, wear a mask! Even if you’re right (and you’re not) about COVID, if you want people comfortable with shopping please put on a mask around strangers. Please.
He won’t. He’s probably spread it to 50 people now because of his beliefs and hasn’t been checked.
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I don't care. Wear a mask, look ridiculous. Makes no difference to me.
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Great to see Apple thinking about their staff's health, which in turn is the right message to the population that they don't feel it's in the best interest of the community to be open.
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Can I ask what's with the obsession of using the words shuttered/shuttering? What's wrong with the words close/closing/closed

Yanks love to reinvent the English language. They should call it American (I'd guess a lot do think it as being the American language)
 
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Great to see Apple thinking about their staff's health, which in turn is the right message to the population that they don't feel it's in the best interest of the community to be open.
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This. One of the major reasons Apple is doing this is for their employees!
 
It’s been mandatory to wear a mask here for like 2 months and I haven’t even thought about it in a while. I’d rather put a piece of fabric in my face than have another complete shut down of everything. Berlin was dead in March and April. We don’t need that again



and which countries may that be?
This is the most reasonable post I've ever seen in PRSI. Hats off (er, mask off?) to you.
 
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"These are not decisions we rush into - and a store opening in no way means that we won't take the preventative step of closing it again should local conditions warrant," O'Brien said"

Yea, but the timing was bad. if it was over a longer duration when it closed again, then it "wouldn't be rushing"

Most people know still work from home, and for good reasons... Even i theunlikely event, why should they risk until is settled..

Apple rushed... They could have waited.
 
Stores close every night. When they’re shuttered, there’s no telling when they might re-open.

Not sure what your primary language is, but “shuttered” is more precise and is the better word choice to describe Apple’s actions.

True, but this is media. “shuttered” conjures imagery of desolate wastelands and tumbleweed towns of deserted lands... it evokes uncertainty, anxiety, and best of all (for marketing and banner ads) fear. Fear sells. Fear keeps you glued to their anxiety machine, which played Revlon, Budweiser, and Ford ads every 8 minutes. Plus 20% off if you buy two on your next mobile order this weekend. Only at your local Anytown Walgreens. Now with Boost Mobile. Buy any two iPhones and get a free pack of condoms.
 
Can I ask what's with the obsession of using the words shuttered/shuttering? What's wrong with the words close/closing/closed

Well the article actually used variants of the word "closed"(closed, closure, closing) about 9 times versus one instance of "shuttered" that was only used to link another article. I'd hardly call that obsessive use of "shuttered/shuttering".
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True, but this is media. “shuttered” conjures imagery of desolate wastelands and tumbleweed towns of deserted lands... it evokes uncertainty, anxiety, and best of all (for marketing and banner ads) fear. Fear sells. Fear keeps you glued to their anxiety machine, which played Revlon, Budweiser, and Ford ads every 8 minutes. Plus 20% off if you buy two on your next mobile order this weekend. Only at your local Anytown Walgreens. Now with Boost Mobile. Buy any two iPhones and get a free pack of condoms.

You watch too much TV. Oof.
 
I agree. Close a store down completely is silly. At least allow pick up, or curb side. Cases mean nothing. Look at the deaths. Deaths have been steadily going down and down. We need to stop focusing on cases. This is about deaths and ICU's.... but everyone has an agenda these days.
USA coronavirus deaths have been going down along with cases in the past few months. But remember that the disease doesn't cause instant death. The death stats will lag cases by at least 2 weeks, seems like 27 days based on when this started.

Cases just spiked about 2 weeks ago. So if the trend continues, the deaths should arrive in about 13 days.
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Thats good, but the US is performing over a million tests a day. No one else is close to us. Which is why we have a larger number of found cases. Again, cases mean nothing. The whole point of this was to bend the curve and don't fill up the ICU beds... well even during NYC's dark times, they never came close to that. The USS Mercy sat empty in the harbor before it left! Mobile hospitals in Seattle sat empty never used. And many states the same story.
The USA has more people than most other countries. You have to represent everything in per capita terms.
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Just curious.

Is closing stores, the economy, and life in general actually going to STOP CV19, or is it only going to prolong the amount of time it takes for this virus to course through the world's population?

Simple fact is, not every single person, business, or sector in the world is going to simultaneously stop dead in its tracks and keep the virus from emerging from individual homes, business, or persons.

Staying home and wearing masks is closer to an example of a smoldering forest fire(which can burn underground for months undetected) than anything.
The main reason we're doing it is to keep the number of sick below hospital capacity so nobody dies just cause they couldn't be treated. The other is the hope of a vaccine saving the day, but I'm not hopeful about that.

Now, I'm furious that capacity is so low to begin with and think we need an Elon Musk equivalent (controversy and craziness included) to fix healthcare, but that's separate.
 
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USA coronavirus deaths have been going down along with cases in the past few months. But remember that the disease doesn't cause instant death. The death stats will lag cases by at least 2 weeks, seems like 27 days?

I think it's actually closer to 4 to 6 weeks. Most charts indicate when things are reported, not when they occur. There's a delay between exposure and onset of symptoms, a delay between symptoms and being tested, a long path through disease, hospitalization, ICU, then death, and then a delay in reporting that death.

Numbers are all over the place, but I seem to remember reading the average lag from symptoms to death is something like 30 days. I don't know what it is in all countries, but it appears that at least in Sweden the median delay from death to report is a week or two.

Setting policy by changes in the death statistics is like trying to steer a car with slack rubber bands.
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I don't care. Wear a mask, look ridiculous. Makes no difference to me.
Covid isn't killing us, other people's vanity is...
 
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The main reason we're doing it is to keep the number of sick below hospital capacity so nobody dies just cause they couldn't be treated.
Let's get one thing out of the way. The governments of the world basically don't want people to die. Why? Because dead people don't pay taxes.

The other is the hope of a vaccine saving the day, but I'm not hopeful about that.
Putting your faith into a cure-all vaccine is the ultimate in naivety. The influenza vaccine averages about 40% effective annually. This year the vaccine producers missed.

Look at that two HPV vaccines. They cover about 5-6 strains of HPV. There are something like 30+ strains of HPV. The two drug companies correctly focused on strains that cause cervical cancer but that doesn't mean that getting the HPV vaccine provides total immunity.

SARS-CoV-2 might mutate into something much more benign and COVID-19 might end up being a once-in-a-lifetime event. Or it might mutate into something far more lethal. Or it could stay where it is and most people will develop an immunity (this is unlikely).

In the end, it's pretty darned naive to expect all of this to magically go away.

Now, I'm furious that capacity is so low to begin with and think we need an Elon Musk equivalent (controversy and craziness included) to fix healthcare, but that's separate.
As far as I know, people like Elon Musk don't control microbiology. If he wants to switch Tesla production to pumping out coronavirus testing reagants that's fine by me, but I don't see how an automobile plant in Fremont can be easily repurposed for such matters.
 
As far as I know, people like Elon Musk don't control microbiology. If he wants to switch Tesla production to pumping out coronavirus testing reagants that's fine by me, but I don't see how an automobile plant in Fremont can be easily repurposed for such matters.
Yeah, that's the problem. The people who control it are stuck in the 1900s, as the auto manufacturers were.
 
Let's get one thing out of the way. The governments of the world basically don't want people to die. Why? Because dead people don't pay taxes.

Governments don't care about taxes. They care about staying in power either because they're power hungry, or because re-election is affirmation. Either way, it's easier to stay in power if the people keeping you there don't blame you for killing their grandma.

The misanthropic view is that death and misery lead to revolution. The fairy tale view is that governments represent the peoples' will to stay healthy. Either way, it's not about taxes.

Putting your faith into a cure-all vaccine is the ultimate in naivety. The influenza vaccine averages about 40% effective annually. This year the vaccine producers missed.

Look at that two HPV vaccines. They cover about 5-6 strains of HPV. There are something like 30+ strains of HPV. The two drug companies correctly focused on strains that cause cervical cancer but that doesn't mean that getting the HPV vaccine provides total immunity.

SARS-CoV-2 might mutate into something much more benign and COVID-19 might end up being a once-in-a-lifetime event. Or it might mutate into something far more lethal. Or it could stay where it is and most people will develop an immunity (this is unlikely).

In the end, it's pretty darned naive to expect all of this to magically go away.
There are a lot of very effective vaccines. Influenza mutates rapidly, making it a moving target for a vaccine, but even accounting for that the vaccine helps keep the spread and impact of the flu in check. It also contributes to residual immunity for future strains. This is a lot of the reason for the difference in impact between the 1918 flu and current seasonal flus.

There is no residual immunity or even a weakly effective vaccine to slow the current coronavirus, which is why it's tearing through us like a brush fire.

The HPV vaccine targets strains of HPV that cause most cancers. You don't get a vaccine just to prevent warts.

Who's the last person you know who's had polio or the measles?

I'm pretty sure @fairuz specifically said they weren't holding out for a vaccine, though. Even given all the current candidates, it's my understanding that there are currently no human vaccines for any coronavirus. The goals here are to keep the infection rate manageable by the health care system, and to buy time for improving treatment strategies. Slowing things down and buying time improves the chances of a vaccine, but no heath department policy is predicated on success of a vaccine.
 
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I'm pretty sure @fairuz specifically said they weren't holding out for a vaccine, though. Even given all the current candidates, it's my understanding that there are currently no human vaccines for any coronavirus. The goals here are to keep the infection rate manageable by the health care system, and to buy time for improving treatment strategies. Slowing things down and buying time improves the chances of a vaccine, but no heath department policy is predicated on success of a vaccine.
Yes. I just don't think they're going to develop an effective enough one quickly enough.
 
Apple taking proactive safety measures. Which is good. Keep in mind that all products can be ordered on the Web. Shipping is free and so are returns. So while it’s a concern it’s not the end
 
Most ridiculous thing ever closing stores over this, yet alone the economy. And yes I am one of those people who refuses to wear a face mask in public.

Here in Asia (especially Hong Kong and Taiwan) the governments reacted extremely quickly and the general public was made aware of the dangers. Unlike many of their western counterparts, local scientists made it clear right from the getgo, that wearing a mask is not for your own protection, but for the protection of others. And because people in Asia have gone through a similar pandemic 2003 with SARS, they are/disciplined. Result: hardly any local infections and most businesses and life for everyone went on.

What is very clear for outsiders to see: those countries with an extremely incompetent government are struggling most with corona. And that is a problem: Instead of trying to unite people to fight together, the fight against virus is dragged into a political battlefield. Populistic slogans, which some narrow minded people love to believe seem more convenient at first. But when things don’t work out, the blame game starts.

And more thing: when the virus situation spirals out of control with millions of infections, chances of a mutation of a virus are much higher. So when scientists have clobbered together a vaccine against Covid 19, the virus might have mutated in ways rendering the vaccine useless.
 
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Governments don't care about taxes. They care about staying in power either because they're power hungry, or because re-election is affirmation. Either way, it's easier to stay in power if the people keeping you there don't blame you for killing their grandma.

The misanthropic view is that death and misery lead to revolution. The fairy tale view is that governments represent the peoples' will to stay healthy. Either way, it's not about taxes.


There are a lot of very effective vaccines. Influenza mutates rapidly, making it a moving target for a vaccine, but even accounting for that the vaccine helps keep the spread and impact of the flu in check. It also contributes to residual immunity for future strains. This is a lot of the reason for the difference in impact between the 1918 flu and current seasonal flus.

There is no residual immunity or even a weakly effective vaccine to slow the current coronavirus, which is why it's tearing through us like a brush fire.

The HPV vaccine targets strains of HPV that cause most cancers. You don't get a vaccine just to prevent warts.

Who's the last person you know who's had polio or the measles?

I'm pretty sure @fairuz specifically said they weren't holding out for a vaccine, though. Even given all the current candidates, it's my understanding that there are currently no human vaccines for any coronavirus. The goals here are to keep the infection rate manageable by the health care system, and to buy time for improving treatment strategies. Slowing things down and buying time improves the chances of a vaccine, but no heath department policy is predicated on success of a vaccine.

It's funny how in America we venerate the American Revolution but when the actual revolution comes to our doorstep then most folks get scared when rioting and burning start to happen. Hmm...
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Here in Asia (especially Hong Kong and Taiwan) the governments reacted extremely quickly and the general public was made aware of the dangers. Unlike many of their western counterparts, local scientists made it clear right from the getgo, that wearing a mask is not for your own protection, but for the protection of others. And because people in Asia have gone through a similar pandemic 2003 with SARS, they are/disciplined. Result: hardly any local infections and most businesses and life for everyone went on.

What is very clear for outsiders to see: those countries with an extremely incompetent government are struggling most with corona. And that is a problem: Instead of trying to unite people to fight together, the fight against virus is dragged into a political battlefield. Populistic slogans, which some narrow minded people love to believe seem more convenient at first. But when things don’t work out, the blame game starts.

And more thin: when the virus situation spirals out of control with millions of infections, chances of a mutation of a virus are much higher. So when scientists have clobbered together a vaccine against Covid 19, the virus might have mutated in ways rendering the vaccine useless.

My parents' homeland in Taiwan did everything flawlessly in response to COVID-19. Apparently we learned that female presidents/leaders are just more gifted naturally at dealing with natural disasters/responses than the oafish guys. In fact, our current dictator is a model of what not to do.
 
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