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Apple Continues to Gain Smartphone Market Share in U.S.

BaldiMac said:
Well, dismissing Comscores numbers because they are from surveys and promoting Kantar's numbers, even though they are also from surveys seems pretty blind to me.
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IMO, "blind" would not cite other stats that are just as relevant as ComScore's.
 
One day you hear "Apple is losing profits" then "Didn't meet expectations" then "Best quarter ever" then "Gaining market share" then "Manufacturers reporting underwhelming sales" then "Manufacturers can't keep up with overwhelming demand".

We should stop caring about all these difficult-to-interpret bits of data. They mean nothing in the big picture.
 
TWSS37 said:
IMO, "blind" would not cite other stats that are just as relevant as ComScore's.
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You're missing the point. He didn't present them as "just as relevant". He completely dismissed Comescores numbers because they came from surveys. And then blindly promoted Kantar's numbers that also came from surveys.
 
BaldiMac said:
Well, dismissing Comscores numbers because they are from surveys and promoting Kantar's numbers, even though they are also from surveys seems pretty blind to me.
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Blind would be simply saying: THE SURVEY IS WRONG, THE NUMBERS ARE BIASED!#@!$@?#$@

But no, he suggested checking other numbers so no, it's not blind.
 
aerok said:
Blind would be simply saying: THE SURVEY IS WRONG, THE NUMBERS ARE BIASED!#@!$@?#$@

But no, he suggested checking other numbers so no, it's not blind.
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"Don't look at these numbers (that don't support my point) because they come from surveys. Instead, look at these numbers (that do support my point) that come from surveys." :rolleyes:
 
BaldiMac said:
"Don't look at these numbers (that don't support my point) because they come from surveys. Instead, look at these numbers (that do support my point) that come from surveys." :rolleyes:
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His point is biased but wouldn't say that it's blind
 
aerok said:
His point is biased but wouldn't say that it's blind
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Sure. That's another way to look at it. I think he blindly accepted Kantar's number while being critical of Comscore's because of his bias. :)

I think both numbers are reasonable. They just measure different things and compare different periods.
 
I don't understand how the BlackBerry CEO has any reputation left. Now that his company has lost the market from continually making terrible phones, he keeps publicly saying that the other companies (Google and Apple) have stopped innovating in order to self-boost his company that's still pushing crap out.
 
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How can there be sites that claim Apple lost market share during the same period that these other sites listed in this article claim Apple gained? Obviously someone has to be wrong here. Take these claims with a grain of salt.
 
Weegee1 said:
I don't understand how the BlackBerry CEO has any reputation left. Now that his company has lost the market from continually making terrible phones, he keeps publicly saying that the other companies (Google and Apple) have stopped innovating in order to self-boost his company that's still pushing crap out.
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Pushing crap out? AFAIK the new S10 got very good reviews.

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hexonxonx said:
How can there be sites that claim Apple lost market share during the same period that these other sites listed in this article claim Apple gained? Obviously someone has to be wrong here. Take these claims with a grain of salt.
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A good news site should be posting numbers from both these studies and point out the inaccuracies instead of choosing one.
 
aerok said:
A good news site should be posting numbers from both these studies and point out the inaccuracies instead of choosing one.
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What inaccuracies? Kantar and Comscore both measure different things and compare against different quarters.
 
ComScore, Kantar, Flurry, whoever are all rough estimates. Aside from Apple (and perhaps RIM) none of the other vendors publish their unit sales numbers. They may make broad statements like "5m units shipped in the first 6 months", or "our best selling phone ever" but it seems like none of them has the balls to publish actual sales data. So we will never know
 
Tones2 said:
Ugh. :rolleyes:

Ok it turns around when the S4 come out, then it turns around again when the 5S come out, then again with the Note 3, and on and on and on...
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What struck a chord with me from your comment is that you only mention Apple and Samsung phones. And that's actually what is happening in the mobile industry.... it's a two-horse race.

Pity all those other manufacturers... they are really facing tough times ahead.
 
 
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Ryth said:
It's called equal comparison.

And yes it does make Android worse because they are losing market share to Apple.

When given the option of A or B, that is an equal comparison of choice. Right now, on T-Mobile and other carriers, they have only option A (which is Android). B is appearing in a few weeks for them. The you can start getting true equal comparisons of what customers want.
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So in the United States... Android is "worse" because they don't have the most market share.

But in the rest of the world... does that mean iOS is "worse" because they don't have the most market share?
 
irDigital0l said:
Actually there were articles yesterday saying iOS lost marketshare....

http://venturebeat.com/2013/04/01/an...-a-massive-52/

http://bgr.com/2013/04/01/ios-androi...tm_medium=home

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-575...s-says-report/

Which is it? They're completely different. Would like some clarification.

Edit: with more links.
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None of these links work... :confused:

This does though: Mobile OS market Share in the US

also browsing through the stats of other countries brings some very interesting results...
 
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Michael Scrip said:
So in the United States... Android is "worse" because they don't have the most market share.

But in the rest of the world... does that mean iOS is "worse" because they don't have the most market share?
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That's a false equivalence. Android is offered at cheaper price points and more widely distributed. So if they fall back behind the iPhone in market share, that speaks much worse to the appeal of the OS.

Plus the iPhone already has more developer support in second place.

(And FWIW, Android does currently have a greater share than the iPhone in the US according to both studies being discussed.)
 
Ryth said:
What is says is one of these is absolutely wrong. You can't have one be so different and the other be so different. Obviously there is a serious flaw in someones data analysis.
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One is measuring users; the other is measuring sales.

They both could be true, if the sales one is including units sitting in the channel; meaning a "sale" could be a sale by Samsung (or Apple) to ATT. Since we know Apple often has a backlog of orders, it's quite possible that Apple "sales" are more consistent with end-user sales then are some of the others.
 
BaldiMac said:
That's a false equivalence. Android is offered at cheaper price points and more widely distributed. So if they fall back behind the iPhone in market share, that speaks much worse to the appeal of the OS.

Plus the iPhone already has more developer support in second place.

(And FWIW, Android does currently have a greater share than the iPhone in the US according to both studies being discussed.)
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Correct... I was just replying to a comment that was stating that "market share" and "better/worse" are directly related.
 
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