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How so? Are there top of the line smartphones selling for less than $199? Are the contracts for other smartphones cheaper than for iPhone's. Certainly not where I'm from.

Well everyone else phones drop in price after about 3 months. iPhone stays at 199 on contract compared to other phones dropping in price.

iPhone4 was over priced for at least 6 months if not longer. Heck it is debatable if it is still over priced at $99.

Also what happens if the carriers design to say we will give Apple the same deal we give everyone else and that would raise the price of the phone about $100 over night.

Apple is still not passing on the profits and not passing on the savings of keeping the same phone model for 12 months.
 
And also building a loyal user base that will buy new products no matter how little they change compared with their predecessors. Don't get me wrong, I'm OK with Apple making money, but all the overexcited reactions make me think a lot of the users here takes the success of Apple more personally than they should.

But what's wrong with customer loyalty? You like a product, you continue to buy it. Nothing wrong with that.

As for the overexcited reactions, its no less and no more "excited" then Android users get when they hear that they have a marketshare lead (the only "lead" they ever hear about). Just consumers being happy about their product choices.
 
Apple makes more money than all the android handset makers combined on smart phones.

Microsoft makes more money off Android than Google does...


The android business plan is really working out very well.

Google also makes more money off iOS than Android. (ads)

I wonder how long Google will continue to support an OS that adds no value to the company.
 
Well everyone else phones drop in price after about 3 months. iPhone stays at 199 on contract compared to other phones dropping in price.

iPhone4 was over priced for at least 6 months if not longer. Heck it is debatable if it is still over priced at $99.

Also what happens if the carriers design to say we will give Apple the same deal we give everyone else and that would raise the price of the phone about $100 over night.

Apple is still not passing on the profits and not passing on the savings of keeping the same phone model for 12 months.

Other phones price drops because there is no demand for them. Not because the OEMs are excited to give discounts to their customers. Apple doesn't need to drop prices because people buy their products no matter what.

Again, saying "overpriced" is silly. If the phones are selling (which they are) there's only two conclusions, 1) they're not overpriced, and people are just fine with paying for a good product, or 2) iPhone users are sheep who worship Steve Jobs and build shrines to the Kool-Aid man.

Common sense and logic dictates the answer would be #1, fandroid logic dictates it would be 2. I'll stick with the former.
 
One company taking over 50% of the profits? How greedy of them! They should really share some of that wealth with less successful companies.

Someone go occupy that new glass cube...
 
Apple certainly is doing best job milking a consumer.

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I sold my iPhone 3G for $130. later I sold my 1.5 y.o. EVO 4G on eBay for $155.

Looks like they had no problem doing it to you, either. They certainly didn't put a gun to your head.
 
Google also makes more money off iOS than Android. (ads)

I wonder how long Google will continue to support an OS that adds no value to the company.

The OS isn't meant to make them money. It's just there to tie people into their services. The money all comes from search. Android is basically Google's version of the AOL free trial CD.
 
Apple is still not passing on the profits and not passing on the savings of keeping the same phone model for 12 months.

They don't have to pass on anything. The consumer either choose to buy Apple gear or they don't. It's that simple. You don't like Apple's pricing scheme, then keep your wallet closed.

Apple owes nothing to anyone in terms of pricing or "passing on" phantom savings. Apple prices and charges according to what they think market will bear. There is no such thing as "overpriced."
 
Pick those pockets clean!!!!

Exactly.

I remember when Exxon reported the highest quarterly profit in history a few years ago and people went apeschit.

Seems like people didn't want to hear about them using profits to reinvest in alternate drilling methods and other internal needs. They were just mad at paying $4/gallon for something that was an essential need.

But people (most of which own zero Apple stock or a nominal amount at best) cheer this development like they won something.

I'm ambivalent. It's a free market, so if they can earn it, more power to them. But I'm not going to celebrate the fact I paid a premium to buy their equipment. I accept it....but only a fool would get excited about it.
 
Well everyone else phones drop in price after about 3 months. iPhone stays at 199 on contract compared to other phones dropping in price.

iPhone4 was over priced for at least 6 months if not longer. Heck it is debatable if it is still over priced at $99.

Also what happens if the carriers design to say we will give Apple the same deal we give everyone else and that would raise the price of the phone about $100 over night.

Apple is still not passing on the profits and not passing on the savings of keeping the same phone model for 12 months.

That's so weird! Can you send me your manual that tells you what correct prices are? I always figured if a buyer thought a price was right (and we both know more buyers thought that about the iPhone than any other phone) he would buy it, and if he thought it was too high, he would not.

Clearly the rules of commerce do not apply to the iPhone. Let me know where I can find your list of correct prices, thanks.

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They don't have to pass on anything. The consumer either choose to buy Apple gear or they don't. It's that simple. You don't like Apple's pricing scheme, then keep your wallet closed.

Apple owes nothing to anyone in terms of pricing or "passing on" phantom savings. Apple prices and charges according to what they think market will bear. There is no such thing as "overpriced."

Well, sure there is. You can see it every day when you go to a cell phone store and see tons of stock in phones, while others stream out the door. The overpriced ones don't sell, the underpriced ones do.
 
iPhone is selling for the same price as top Android phones, but iPhone is using cheaper components - that's where Apple higher margins come from.

The iPhone 4 (we looking at the last 3 quarters numbers) has smaller and older tech non-AMOLED displayed, no Gorilla glass, twice less RAM, no NFC chip, no SD expansion, smaller battery, no FM radio, older 5mpx camera, no 4G chip, slower older CPU.

So for the same money Apple consumer gets less phone. Cheaper internals in the sleek packaging - that's where Apple higher margins come from - huge markup. Apple consumer gets milked big time.

Not sure if you're comparing like for like here. When the iPhone 4 came out it was top of the range in pretty much all aspects. It's still a great phone today and it's a year and half old. It does use gorilla glass, by the way. You can't compare the 4 to phones which are being released now or ones which came out months later.

The iPhone 4S is, once again, up against current top Android phones and equals or beats them in most aspects. No 4G or NFC, that's true, but still a top notch display (still highest res on the market I think and, in some ways, ISP is better than AMOLED) and exceptional CPU/GPU. The build quality is fantastic too compared to the rather cheap plastic cases that even some high end Android phones come with. The camera is excellent by the way. Megapixels aren't everything and 8 is more than enough. But it's the speed of the camera and the quality of the shots that are most impressive.

But, of course, all of this misses the point in a major way. A product's value is not the combined total of the bits in the product. If two restaurants both served you the same cut of steak and chips made from the same potatoes would you be happy to pay the same for the one which was burnt, badly presented, where the service was poor and the music was too loud? Of course not. You'd pay more for a meal, even if the raw ingredients cost the same, if it was served on nice plates and you got comfy chair and a pleasant environment. Value is not the same as cost.

That is why Apple is able to charge a higher price for its product - because they have the App store and iTunes. They have great customer service through the Apple Stores and they have iOS which they update regularly even for phones like the 3GS which are very old phones. You know how many Android phones, even high end ones, have never run the latest OS or were out of date and not updated weeks after launch? And of course they're all offering the same OS and can only really compete on price. This drives down prices and margins which is precisely why they don't get after sale support - the manufacturers can't afford to provide the kind of support Apple can because they make such poor profits.

Apple is making better margins because they produce a product which is high quality, support it well and have exceptional efficient supply chain management. High margins are a sign of a great business. Low or non-existent margins are a sign of a business which is failing.
 
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Basic Economics, anyone?

It's befuddling how few people understand basic economics....

Are these the same 'well-educated' occupiers posting these absurd statements?

Why doesn't Apple just give their phones away for free since they have so much money?

vs.

Why doesn't Wall Street use all of their extra money to pay my student loans off and give me a high paying job?
 
Google ain't making any money from Android...

In fact, the company is losing money.

Wtf...
That's a very very poor management by the team.

You do business for the money not for charity.

MS is making money from Android, but not google.

This is why I hate google's stock.
 
It's befuddling how few people understand basic economics....

Are these the same 'well-educated' occupiers posting these absurd statements?

Why doesn't Apple just give their phones away for free since they have so much money?

Where are people making that statement or even implying it? A quote would be nice.

Oh yeah. It's a lot easier to tear down an argument, if you make it up.
 
A lot of folks also don't get that competition is a good thing.

A lack of serious competition had us begging for MMS, cut and paste and a decent camera. Competition had Apple develop the iPhone 4 which was miles ahead of everything.

As a consumer, I want Android to remain a strong viable option. That pushes innovation...even moreso than profits as Apple customers will loyally line Cuppertino's pockets no matter what they put out.
 
Not next month. I used EVO for 1.5 years (after I got rid of iPhone 3G)

The EVO 4G hasn't even been available for 1.5 years until next month is what the other user was hinting at.

It was release in June '10. And you said you already sold it. It has not been 1.5 years.
 
Where are people making that statement or even implying it? A quote would be nice.

Oh yeah. It's a lot easier to tear down an argument, if you make it up.

I'll just go ahead and let you read the comments thus far, and if you already have and failed to see what I'm referring to than you need to work on your reading comprehension.

Here's a simple question: Why would a company lower the price of a widget if the demand is in line or greater than the available supply?
 
A lot of folks also don't get that competition is a good thing.

A lack of serious competition had us begging for MMS, cut and paste and a decent camera. Competition had Apple develop the iPhone 4 which was miles ahead of everything.

As a consumer, I want Android to remain a strong viable option. That pushes innovation...even moreso than profits as Apple customers will loyally line Cuppertino's pockets no matter what they put out.

I agree entirely that strong competition is a good thing.

I have to disagree with your last statement, however. Apple sells stuff because they make stuff that people want. You're talking as if all these millions of iPhones are being bought by crazed Apple fanatics but that's patently absurd. There aren't enough crazed fanatics of any kind to buy this amount of kit. The vast majority of Apple's customers are people who are normal guys who see a range of options and choose Apple because they like what they see - not because they're loyal.

Just look at this graph - are you really suggesting that the massive increase in sales is due to these madly loyal customers who just didn't notice there was an iPhone before and then rushed out to buy one the moment they saw their mistake?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IPhone_sales_per_quarter_simple.svg

Come on now, let's set aside the obviously counterfactual idea that Apple sells stuff to people who would buy anything with an Apple logo on it. Every time someone says that a logic fairy falls down dead.
 
Google ain't making any money from Android...

In fact, the company is losing money.

Wtf...
That's a very very poor management by the team.

You do business for the money not for charity.

MS is making money from Android, but not google.

This is why I hate google's stock.

This is a very dumb statement. Stores lose money on a handful of Black friday items to drive general business. Gillette gives away free razor kits. They make a fortune from cartridges. Amazon takes a loss on Kindle Fire, but will make up for it with content. Google loses money on Android, but makes it back in advertising that's powered by those devices. It's this thing called a "loss leader." Stop being so simplistic.
 
Interesting that so many run on such tight margins. How can LG, Sony, Moto and Nokia (now) sustain themselves on such poor margins?

I'm guessing the feature phone market is what's really killing them and they can't get traction in their higher margin smart phones. Probably why Samsung has done so much better than the rest.

Looks like a race to the bottom to me for most of the players.
 
It's befuddling how few people understand basic economics....

Are these the same 'well-educated' occupiers posting these absurd statements?

Why doesn't Apple just give their phones away for free since they have so much money?

vs.

Why doesn't Wall Street use all of their extra money to pay my student loans off and give me a high paying job?

I'll just go ahead and let you read the comments thus far, and if you already have and failed to see what I'm referring to than you need to work on your reading comprehension.

Here's a simple question: Why would a company lower the price of a widget if the demand is in line or greater than the available supply?

You are dishonest if you think that your portrayal of people thinking that Apple products are overpriced is equivalent to people thinking they should give their product away.

There is hyperbole and then there is lying. You are a liar.
 
It's a funny old world Apple fans live in, where they pay more than anyone for their products, and yet jump and and down with joy when they see the company selling them is making more and more profits.

Strange isn't it, as in any other scenario these same people would be demanding price reductions when high profits were announced.

:D
 
The EVO 4G hasn't even been available for 1.5 years until next month is what the other user was hinting at.

It was release in June '10. And you said you already sold it. It has not been 1.5 years.

Gosh, the 1.5 years is not exact number, of course, it is approximate and rounded.
 
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