I doubt we'll hear anything till WWDC in June. They will want to make a big deal out of this.
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Apple Continues to Work on All-New Mac Pro With Upgradeable Design
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I doubt we'll hear anything till WWDC in June. They will want to make a big deal out of this.
Did it not occur to you that quite a number of the 'whiners' were in the market for a Mac Pro, saw the Trash Can for the overengineered dead end that even its begetters finally realised it really was and bought elsewhere instead? Why would they have used one? Do you have to munch through a whole cowpat to realise there are better things to eat instead?
The Cylinder would be a great machine if it had an option for an i7 processor, one GPU and sold for under $1500.
Oh NOzzzzzzzz!!!!
Reliability for people who earn their livings using very powerful machines. Good thing Apple bucked that silly trend.
Form over function is really where it's out, amirite?
What the hell are you saying? Buying my own RAM and installing it myself is far cheaper than what Apple charges. Prices on storage and RAM decrease over time so it makes more sense to upgrade those components over time as needs increase and cost decrease. I'm an Apple tech for an AASP and do you know what customers want? They want a $200-400 upgrade instead of new machine for $2000-$4000 90% of the time.
Yep, no reason at all to talk in less than glowing terms about the trash can Pro and Apple's handling of it over the years
I'm not a pro at all but I would like a tower option with multiple internal and changeable hard drives so I keep music and photo libraries on the internal.
Also, I would love to know what the conversion rate is of all the people on this forum who demand the pro devices and actually buy them when they are released. I imagine its minuscule.
Also, I would love to know what the conversion rate is of all the people on this forum who demand the pro devices and actually buy them when they are released. I imagine its minuscule.
No, it wouldn't have been.
If they had an option for an i7 quad core, single GPU, was 2 inches tall, sold for under $700 and was called "mac mini" it would have been a great machine.
Or it would have been a great machine if it was larger and had plenty of internal space for multiple hard drives and graphics cards as well as a proper cooling system. The iTrashcan was the worst of all possible worlds; basically a crippled mac mini at mac pro prices. And the iMac pro shows they haven't learned a thing from that mistake.
I'm looking forward to the new mac pro, but I fear "modular" is going to me a whole bunch of proprietary sealed boxes and a desktop strewn with cables connecting them together. They may be a great iPhone company, but I just don't think Apple "gets" computers anymore.
Here is what I need/want, and I think it would be good for a lot of others as well, I think that it hits what most professionals really need, without neing overkill. It’s good enough for virtualization, lite 3d rendering (CAD/CAM, not as much Maya finals and heavy FEA), 4k video editing, and photo editing.
6-8 cores with hyperthreading, 32-64 gigs ram, m.2 ultra ssd boot drive (not soldered), upgradeable/replaceable gpu, Apple 5k monitor (surface studio style touch/tilt would be nice), touchbar wireless keyboard, tunderbolt external storage.
6-8 cores with hyperthreading, 32-64 gigs ram, m.2 ultra ssd boot drive (not soldered), upgradeable/replaceable gpu, Apple 5k monitor (surface studio style touch/tilt would be nice), touchbar wireless keyboard, tunderbolt external storage.
I really hope so. The trashcan MP certainly wasn't.
How many machines do they offer that are capable of upgrading? What was the last new model with internal upgrading other than memory and a single SSD slot? Mac Pro 2009? If nothing else every model that isn't a laptop should at least have swappable memory. It's laughable that a "pro" machine wouldn't have that.
That's the default for desktop PCs. I still like that design and I'm not what I would call a "pro" user.
Apple doesn't seem to want to give people want they want, but rather what they want you to have.
How else can they sell you cloud storage solutions and music streaming services of your own music?
I have a couple of trash cans and a couple of cheese graters. They are all working fine for me, so I can't say that I'm unhappy with either. Other than the system disk, storage is external so internal drive space isn't a problem. I'm tempted by the iMac Pro, but there are two issues which are causing me to wait for the new Mac Pro.
The first is the ability to replace failed components--specifically memory and drives. My experience has been that it's drives, memory, power supplies, and ports that fail the most, so those components should be user replaceable. Taking the system in to get it repaired means I'm out of business for a week or two, rather than a few hours.
The second is the monitor. 27" is too little screen real estate so I'm still using the 30" Cinema displays. What I have wanted ever since the demise of the Cinema displays is a monitor with the screen height of the Cinema display in the new aspect ratio.
The price of the iMac Pro configuration I looked at is about $1K more than my last purchase of a Mac Pro (with Cinema display), so I'm okay with the pricing. I rarely add memory although I have upgraded processors in the past, so the upgrading isn't much of an issue for me either. ECC memory really does prevent a lot of mysterious crashes--it's well worth paying extra to get a more stable system. For me, stability trumps speed, unless there is a very dramatic difference in speed, because it only takes one crash to lose all the speed gains. A long time ago, systems with ECC memory actually logged each time the ECC corrected memory. Log entries happened fairly frequently (a few times every month).
The first is the ability to replace failed components--specifically memory and drives. My experience has been that it's drives, memory, power supplies, and ports that fail the most, so those components should be user replaceable. Taking the system in to get it repaired means I'm out of business for a week or two, rather than a few hours.
The second is the monitor. 27" is too little screen real estate so I'm still using the 30" Cinema displays. What I have wanted ever since the demise of the Cinema displays is a monitor with the screen height of the Cinema display in the new aspect ratio.
The price of the iMac Pro configuration I looked at is about $1K more than my last purchase of a Mac Pro (with Cinema display), so I'm okay with the pricing. I rarely add memory although I have upgraded processors in the past, so the upgrading isn't much of an issue for me either. ECC memory really does prevent a lot of mysterious crashes--it's well worth paying extra to get a more stable system. For me, stability trumps speed, unless there is a very dramatic difference in speed, because it only takes one crash to lose all the speed gains. A long time ago, systems with ECC memory actually logged each time the ECC corrected memory. Log entries happened fairly frequently (a few times every month).
I just hope Apple doesn't screw it up. Ive being back in charge of "design" is not a positive for the Mac Pro.
The Mac Pro will ship in 2018...yes, Apple wants to sell as many iMac Pros as it can, but who wouldn’t...the Mac Pro Market is still incredibly small and the iMac Pro is incredibly important to the users that Apple is targeting.
Yes, the iMac 5K will get the 8700K some time next year, but it is not going to match the 8-Core or the 10-Core in multi-core, although it will almost certainly stay the single-core king.
Personally, I am looking forward to the Coffee Lake update to the iMac...I can use a 6-Core CPU in some of the work I do, and before I shell out for an iMac Pro, I at least want to see if its worth the jump.
God, I pray that doesn’t happen again. It better not be another attempt by Ive to show off and add a page to his coffee table book.
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With the iMac Pro release dominating headlines on Thursday, we want to highlight that Apple also reiterated some other exciting news for pro customers: a modular Mac Pro is in the works.
2013 Mac Pro on left vs. 2012 Mac Pro on right
The brief mention came at the very end of Apple's press release about the iMac Pro becoming available to order:While this isn't new information, it does let us know that Apple remains committed to an all-new, powerful Mac Pro with an upgradeable design after first teasing the news to a group of reporters back in April.
We don't know what the new Mac Pro will look like, but given it will be a modular system, Apple could return to a tower design like the 2006 to 2012 Mac Pro with a case that could be opened with a lever on the back.
The promise that it will be a high-performance, high-throughput system suggests the modular Mac Pro could be even faster than the iMac Pro, which itself is easily the fastest Mac ever with workstation-class tech specs.
The maxed-out iMac Pro, for example, costs $13,199 and is equipped with an 18-core 2.3GHz Intel Xeon W-class processor, 4TB of SSD storage, 128GB of ECC RAM, and AMD Radeon Pro Vega 64 graphics with 16GB of HBM2 memory.
It's also good news for customers who were sad to see Apple discontinue its standalone Thunderbolt Display, which will be revived in the form of an all-new Apple-branded high-end display geared towards pro customers.
Apple's discontinued Thunderbolt Display
What we also don't know is when the new Mac Pro is coming. Apple only revealed that it wouldn't be ready this year. It could certainly be released at some point in 2018, or it could take a little bit longer--it's anyone's guess right now.
Apple hasn't updated the current Mac Pro in just shy of four years, beyond reshuffling some configurations and pricing back in April.
At the time, Apple's software engineering chief Craig Federighi admitted that the 2013 Mac Pro's so-called "trash can" design has a limited thermal capacity that doesn't always meet the needs of the most demanding workflows.
"I think we designed ourselves into a bit of a thermal corner, if you will," said Federighi, according to multiple reports.
It isn't often that Apple pre-announces new products in its pipeline, but there were growing concerns the company was no longer focused on professional users, evidently to the point that it felt the need to respond in a big way.
"We're committed to the Mac, we've got great talent on the Mac, both hardware and software, we've got great products planned for the future, and as far as our horizon line can see, the Mac is a core component of the things Apple delivers, including to our pro customers," said Apple's marketing chief Phil Schiller.
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Too little too late - after years of waiting for a new Mac Pro I went Windows and haven't looked back - no interest in waiting around for Apple's ridiculously overpriced side business.
I can’t wait to hear all the complaints when the Mac Pro starts at $10k with a dual socket Xeon E5 design.
I’d still buy a cylinder MacPro if it came with an i7-8700k a single RX580 and multiple standard M.2 slots with fewer TB3 ports.
I’d still buy a cylinder MacPro if it came with an i7-8700k a single RX580 and multiple standard M.2 slots with fewer TB3 ports.
i disagree on everything, apple does it just right, you have no clue what really matters.
upgradeability is a thing of the past
My customers just loved having to have the D500s and D700s serviced under the Quality Program (https://www.macrumors.com/2016/02/06/late-2013-mac-pro-video-issues-repair-program/) that are a major pain in the ass to replace. They love the proprietary SSD that can't be upgraded later unless you use OWC's garbage ones. They love that hardly anyone optimized software for dual GPUs and people with 2010/2012 Mac Pros can run more powerful single GPUs. Go on eBay and take a look at what 2010/2012 Mac Pros still sell for. I'm using one from 2009 that's still a beast.
Exactly!
Yet Apple's vision, direction and priorities seem so out of wack lately. Why work on an iMac Pro after the iMac was just released? All models will barely begin to ship befor December 31st 2017 and many of the high models in February 2018.
@Phil Schiller and all at Apple.
Best roadmap would have been to ...
a) Upgrade the design and performance components in the Mac Mini
- much higher volume in sales, units and larger per unit profits!
- make the performance that or close to what the nMP offers or better yet the current 13" MBP
> allows for moniters, external storage, keyboards, mice and trackpad sales in store.
b) iMac Pro ... timeline for shipping would be the same, just a nice annoucement shortly after the iPhone 8/X timeline.
c) Mac Pro 2018!
Chop Chop Chop
- VERY curious what the retail costs of THIS machine will be like in comparison to the iMac Pro! This is going to be VERY scary.