You'd think they would have learned with the G4 Cube. That product suffered the exact same fate. A case of product designers given too much free reign.
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Apple Continues to Work on All-New Mac Pro With Upgradeable Design
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You'd think they would have learned with the G4 Cube. That product suffered the exact same fate. A case of product designers given too much free reign.
Mac Pro 2013: biggest failure in a long time. I remember a poll here a couple of years ago which started an overly long discussion.
I guess now there is little left to discuss about... let's hope they make something bigger (I got lots of space under the desk) and that makes sense.
I guess now there is little left to discuss about... let's hope they make something bigger (I got lots of space under the desk) and that makes sense.
Exactly I also wrote that to mr Cook. Plus the fact that it is completely insane to leave the small pro crowd in the dust when it comes to product development. I understand that you keep a very secretive policy considering the next iPhone, but for a small pro consumer space this does not make any sense!
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Biggest failure since the bread toaster model. The first time around they admitted a little sooner that it was a failure.
OMG Why abide by restrictions that stem from ultimate neglect ?
A trillion dollar company with design departments on every continent should be able to give birth to say 10 casings (a month/day/hour, that is...)
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I’m good with that. We’re still running 5 cheese grater macs (2010 or 2012 models) at the studio and don’t plan on upgrading them fully until something better than the trash can comes out.
This.
Just because someone prefers a "headless" design and/or user-upgradeability to a sealed all-in-one doesn't automatically mean that they need an 18-core Xeon and a GPU big enough to render the next Star Wars.
Some people would just like to choose their own displays...
Mostly non-upgradable? RAM (Apple Store or authorized repair shop), drives (TB3), display (TB3) and GPU (TB3) are all upgradable. Those are the four main categories for upgrades prior to buying a new computer.
Well, have you ever tried to open a new iMac (the slim design one)? If you don't "upgrade" when you buy it, I bet you'll have a hard time doing it by yourself in the future.
...better than what we expected a week ago, but no substitute for the RAM hatch in the regular 5k iMac (and probably expensive c.f. generic RAM)
Agreed - TB3 provides the speed, probably a non-issue since most of the target customers will need substantial external storage anyway
I don't think the ability to attach a second external display to an all-in-one is quite what people mean by "upgradeable" in this context.
Well, eGPU is an interesting new possibility but (a) an eGPU can't use the iMac's internal display and (b) even TB3 is a bottleneck compared to the 16 lane PCIe connection used by internal GPUs - maybe that's not going to mess up your game of Minecraft, but if you're doing the sort of high-end GPU-as-CPU work that the iMac is pitched at, that could be significant. Then there's the cost and extra desk clutter of an external enclosure - c.f. the convenience and economy of just swapping out a PCIe card.
As an inveterate car person, i can tell you the car thing will never happen, not from Apple or anybody else. Might I suggest using something different in your analogies?
Other than that, I usually enjoy reading your posts even if I don't always agree with you.
As an inveterate car person, i can tell you the car thing will never happen, not from Apple or anybody else. Might I suggest using something different in your analogies?
Other than that, I usually enjoy reading your posts even if I don't always agree with you.
Noted. It was intended as a hypothetical scenario; I know such a car is highly unfeasible. No other analogies come to mind at the moment though. Any suggestions?
I am coming from having read a report from IBM which claimed their Macs cost less in long-term maintenance costs. The idea is that the inability to crack open your Mac to access the innards may not be such a huge deal if Apple can make it such that there isn’t much need to do so in the first place.
You don’t miss what you don’t need, so to speak.
No suggestions, sorry. I'll leave that to folks with more imagination than i have.
Now if I may diverge a little.
Having followed this thread through all 362 posts (as of this moment) A thought is forming.
I suspect, and could most assuredly be wrong, that what Apple may be doing is working on a headless mac that won't be a mini nor will it be a Mac Pro. I think the iMac pro is now going to be the defacto "pro" moving forward. Apple has never had, that I am aware of, two different "pro" models.
But there are many folks, like myself, who have the monitors, keyboards, etc that already go with a headless Mac. Since we most all agree is now a cell phone/pad company, they will reduce their desktop inventory by one.
In a sense, this makes sense to me.
But keep in mind I am a senior and my wants and needs are pretty much set by now. Sure I can change but what I have now works and I like it. I will always be leery of an item like the iMac where if the screen goes, I essentially loose my entire computer and then have to take it to somebody else to fix it rather than going to another room and getting one of my other monitors and voila I am up and running.
If no spare available at home, a 30 minute run to the store to buy a new monitor is MUCH preferred in my mind than loosing my whole computer until it's fixed. It's also very likely that repair will cost more than the new monitor I just bought.
But YMMV
Tried? I've opened many. It's not that hard to open. Do yourself a favor and get the right tool, though. iFixit sells them for about $8. And don't forget the replacement adhesive strips, about $15.
I would like to think that the Mac Pro is some ultra high end Mac designed for tasks which even the iMac Pro cannot handle. I do not know if any exist, but that would be its likely market. Will be interesting to see how Apple handles its promise of modularity and upgradability.
Lol. Like Apple was ever not about making money.
In every year since 1986 I’ve heard people complaining that Apple didn’t offer the most bang for the buck, that apple’s hardware was gimped, that Apple charged too much for upgraded configurations, etc.
I believe you. Still, I much prefer screws and magnets rather than having to cut the adhesive all around the screen.
I think it was more like Apple didn’t really care about real pros, and decided to target the much bigger advanced-amateur/aspirational pro market.
Then they realized that giving up on pros caused a reverse-halo effect.
I still have my Dual 2Ghz G5, and I can't part with it because the design is just that good. Seriously, they could just bring back that case design with new components and I'm pretty sure everyone would be happy.
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That’s where I hope the upcoming MP will start on price. Then you go from there. I’d they start like the iMac pro at $5k, that will be hard.
Displays I hope the 27” stand alone will be $1500 max. Two versions would be great like 27” and maybe 30”+. Since they talk pro, a matte display would be great but not holding my breath on that one.
As the old saw goes, actions speak louder than words and Apple's inaction on the headless Mac(s) has been speaking volumes. Apple, you can say the Mac Pro and the Mini are important to you but your words ring hollow. Ignoring these computer forms for three years says plenty about how you really feel about this hardware.
Give credit to the other computer makers for understanding thermal dynamics.
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No, they run hot - Diskwarrior constantly warned about the SOLID STATE DRIVE in mine running too hot. Had to install a fan controller to keep it cool -- and thus always here the fan running, and I had the base systems.