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Apple Corrects iPad Promo Video to Show No Flash Capability
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If you're on an Apple, that is....
Hulu runs fine full screen (1600x1200) on an Atom for me.
Most Flash is gratuitous, overused, and unnecessary but so are most websites. Whatever comes along to replace Flash , whether that's <canvas> spec'd in html5 or some other variant...remains to be seen but it's going to be interesting. Canvas ads will be even worse because there will no good way to turn those off since legitimate websites will also be using it for presentations, etc.
Anyone remember the crappy old days of the Internet in order to publish video you needed to encode in windows media, real, and quicktime? All proprietary plugins no less. Flash changed that and may have inadvertently helped sites like YouTube and Hulu to succeed and help push mainstream video to the web. Flash is still proprietary but 1 "standard" is better than doing 3 or 4.
That brings me to this point... Flash *still* remains the best way to put video on the web. For those not paying attention, the w3c seriously dropped the ball... html5 doesn't mandate any particular codec so you're left with Google and Apple vying for h264 (and paying the associated license fees with it) and Mozilla opting for ogg theora. Apple and Google refuse to use theora and Mozilla refuses to pay the licensing for mpeg4.. Oh, and Microsoft refuses to support any of it. So to put video on the web the w3c html5 way you'd need to support 2 codecs, plus, have a fallback method for IE. The best way to do all of that is "cheat" and use Flash and that's what most developers do. Video on the web is a mess and it's not getting any better anytime soon... which means plugins like Flash still remain viable. Anyone who says html5 will the death of Flash is obviously not a developer.
Anyone remember the crappy old days of the Internet in order to publish video you needed to encode in windows media, real, and quicktime? All proprietary plugins no less. Flash changed that and may have inadvertently helped sites like YouTube and Hulu to succeed and help push mainstream video to the web. Flash is still proprietary but 1 "standard" is better than doing 3 or 4.
That brings me to this point... Flash *still* remains the best way to put video on the web. For those not paying attention, the w3c seriously dropped the ball... html5 doesn't mandate any particular codec so you're left with Google and Apple vying for h264 (and paying the associated license fees with it) and Mozilla opting for ogg theora. Apple and Google refuse to use theora and Mozilla refuses to pay the licensing for mpeg4.. Oh, and Microsoft refuses to support any of it. So to put video on the web the w3c html5 way you'd need to support 2 codecs, plus, have a fallback method for IE. The best way to do all of that is "cheat" and use Flash and that's what most developers do. Video on the web is a mess and it's not getting any better anytime soon... which means plugins like Flash still remain viable. Anyone who says html5 will the death of Flash is obviously not a developer.
Wow, what a massive assumption and a demonstration of no business experience.
I doubt that is the case at all. Rather it is just a case of a contractor going to far in making their graphics pretty. If it was Apples policy to "trick" people they wouldn't have the CEO surfing to web sites that required it at the products debut.
Basically your statements are baseless.
Dave
I doubt that is the case at all. Rather it is just a case of a contractor going to far in making their graphics pretty. If it was Apples policy to "trick" people they wouldn't have the CEO surfing to web sites that required it at the products debut.
Basically your statements are baseless.
Dave
iphone/ipod touch FLASH CS5 multitouch app.
I just saw this. It's obviously short and there's no way of telling how much will the battery be drained but here it is:
http://theflashblog.com/?p=1672
Thoughts?
I just saw this. It's obviously short and there's no way of telling how much will the battery be drained but here it is:
http://theflashblog.com/?p=1672
Thoughts?
Please i would like to ask a question.
2 days now, i log in to Macrumors but i cannot vote negatively on any post, about iPad. Any ideas?
2 days now, i log in to Macrumors but i cannot vote negatively on any post, about iPad. Any ideas?
And make Photoshop Mac-only again, as it was in the beginning...Adobe is spare change for Apple, and even a hostile takeover would be easy bacon for SJ and Co.; Adobe surely deserves it.
Created from Flash, but not actually Flash. It compiles the Flash to a real iPhone app.
At least, that's the impression I get.
The other issue is that it uses the multitouch APIs; Flash apps written using these would work okay on iPad if Apple allowed them, but, given that almost no Flash apps use said multitouch APIs... why bother?
Precisely, and with 10.1 coming out and supporting Palm Pre, Blackberry, Windows Mobile and Android, video sites no longer have to bother with workarounds for their mobile sites, they have a quick and cheap fix that will buy them time. It's also 87% faster at rendering and uses 55% less memory than its predecessors, so it will become much less of a nuisance, resource wise. It will probably be released around the same time as CS5 will.
Ad agencies and game developers will not let go of Flash easily, it's their main pipeline, and their smooth talking salesmen will keep peddling Flash based content to all their clients. Anyone who thinks you can kill Flash with one swift stroke probably also thinks you can snap your fingers and rid the world of all criminality.
If only apple had that picture from digg on their ipad promotion page... Who would still want one of these?
Even though I have a new MacBook pro and an iPhone I'd still buy an ipad... Well I would if it had flash support.. And a camera would be nice.
Sorry apple... You're not gettin $900 (64G, 3G) from me this time.
Please do unsubscribe and don't come back.
Dave
So point out where he is wrong.
Nope in this case I think the mods and the rest of us will see you as a whinner. While I think the person you are responding to is wrong, he really isn't that far off topic.
Pleasedo leave! It isinteresting that your handle is peace but yet you take a very hostile position in this thread. Think about that please.
Dave
You're right. I just read that is not that flash runs natively, rather it's a compiler and a set of APIs that do it, but it would take almost no effort for a developer to rewrite his/her app to work with the new touch APIs and that begs the question if Adobe was able to develop a compiler to make flash run natively on the iphone/ipod touch and a set of touch APIs for it would apple let it in its devices?
Fine line between fantasy and reality. You're not playing a video game. You're in the real world now.
Damn it!!
Does Apple think that the can force websites to stop using Flash?? (not really looking for an answer from you guys).
It's annoying when you come across a site that uses Flash and the iPhone can't display it. However, I figure, it's a phone and from what I understand Flash drains the battery so ... no problem .. I can live with that. However, the iPad is supposed to give us a new way of accessing our media and browsing the web. Why the heck can't they include a Flash plugin so that I can browse any content that the web has to offer??
Really disappointing.
Cheers.
Does Apple think that the can force websites to stop using Flash?? (not really looking for an answer from you guys).
It's annoying when you come across a site that uses Flash and the iPhone can't display it. However, I figure, it's a phone and from what I understand Flash drains the battery so ... no problem .. I can live with that. However, the iPad is supposed to give us a new way of accessing our media and browsing the web. Why the heck can't they include a Flash plugin so that I can browse any content that the web has to offer??
Really disappointing.
Cheers.
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...but I stay for the flame wars!
Long live MR!
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HTML 5 is not even approved yet; it's still very much in the draft stage. It is going to be in what is known as a recommendation (for approval as a standard) by 2012, with hopes of it being approved as a standard by the W3C in 2022 (yes, 2022).
Flash works right now, across almost all hardware meant for web browsing, except these few pieces of Apple hardware... and ONLY BECAUSE Apple is choosing NOT to allow any owners of this hardware even have an OPTION to use it.
While our definitions of web standards are different, I feel comfortable with the idea that something already running on about 98% of the worlds WWW browsers is a standard (as evidenced by it's widespread use and acceptance). Just because Apple doesn't like it on a portion of their offerings doesn't make it any less of a standard in my eyes.
The market cap for Adobe Systems is about $17 billion. Probably what Apple will make next quarter alone when the iPad drops. They just made $15 billion+ last quarter. Maybe it's time to bring Adobe into the Apple fold. That would CERTAINLY end the Flash controversy!
Pity the PC people using Premiere and all the other Adobe stuff. Anything in Premiere that FCP might use would be taken and then the brand would be dumped. Get used to "Apple InDesign", "Apple Photoshop", etc. Apple would have a major share in the media content creation business, equal to its "mindshare". As long as other companies like Quark and Avid still exist, one cannot claim that Apple would have a monopoly on these technologies, right?
A hostile takeover. That could be how Jobs wins this one.
Flash is the scourge of the internet. It is used too often for ads, too often for thing better be done with HTML. Video should be done through HTML as well but there is currently no agreement on the codec, microsoft denies to support it in general, so I'm glad that Apple supports open, standardized methods of showing videos on the web.
What's left are games on the web. That's the only reason for flash. I don't need these crappy kind of games.
It's a war on the web. I'm glad that Apple is not supporting flash.
What's left are games on the web. That's the only reason for flash. I don't need these crappy kind of games.
It's a war on the web. I'm glad that Apple is not supporting flash.
No, they need to change it to what I want. I like everything about it except that one thing. They need to listen and FIX IT.
This is the problem with ipad. More so than ever you are stuck in Apple's world. There is no control over anything; you can't customise your web experience through web plugins. Eg if you want to watch anything other than Quicktime, you're screwed.
If this is successful, then the lack of flash will ultimately matter leas and less (as websites are converting to non-flash so that they can be viewed on iPhone, iPad, etc) but we still will always be at the whim of Apple in terms of what content we can consume.
Want to download mp3s from the Amazon store instead of iTunes? Tough.
Want an alternative to iTunes? Tough. Want to use Spotify instead? Too bad.
Apple is hoping individual apps will solve some of these problems but ultimately Apple is getting more and more control and everything is going backwards in terms of openness.
If this is successful, then the lack of flash will ultimately matter leas and less (as websites are converting to non-flash so that they can be viewed on iPhone, iPad, etc) but we still will always be at the whim of Apple in terms of what content we can consume.
Want to download mp3s from the Amazon store instead of iTunes? Tough.
Want an alternative to iTunes? Tough. Want to use Spotify instead? Too bad.
Apple is hoping individual apps will solve some of these problems but ultimately Apple is getting more and more control and everything is going backwards in terms of openness.
But the people buying these ad spaces, the ones with a product to advertise and hopefully sell. They want their ad to be displayed to people who actually buy things. Who look for new convenient ways to do things and are willing to buy something to make it happen. Who have a good income and will spend it on a good product that works.
Many of these people own iPhones, and probably more will own iPads.
And advertisers will want their ads to be displayed to those people to.
And you can bet this ALREADY comes up when an ad salesman tries to upsell a company to Flash, and the company rep/owner has an iPhone...