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Apple Corrects iPad Promo Video to Show No Flash Capability
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This has officially become the "Apple Fanboy Fantasy Thread". Please more, this so entertaining.
It's dumb not to have flash support from the users perspective and probably backed by a load of Apple insiders.
From a negotiation perspective:
* hype around iPad and potential sales volume will reduce Flash licencing costs
* advertisers will pay less to flash-based sites if large numbers of users can't see the ads
* Steve will be able to convince some web site owners to ditch flash in favor of HTML5, which presumably A4 is optimized for
I expect it will all pan out OK for the users in the end.
(Still p!$$ed that Apple can't do Bluray yet.)
It's shameful that Apple is presently losing the usability war in terms of content support, which it used to excel at.
From a negotiation perspective:
* hype around iPad and potential sales volume will reduce Flash licencing costs
* advertisers will pay less to flash-based sites if large numbers of users can't see the ads
* Steve will be able to convince some web site owners to ditch flash in favor of HTML5, which presumably A4 is optimized for
I expect it will all pan out OK for the users in the end.
(Still p!$$ed that Apple can't do Bluray yet.)
It's shameful that Apple is presently losing the usability war in terms of content support, which it used to excel at.
I choose when I want to display flash content in firefox with no flash, be great to have the same option on the ipad. If I want to display it I play it. That way it's not simply broken but an option.
Regardless of your opinion of flash and mine's not important in this thread you sometimes need it.
Regardless of your opinion of flash and mine's not important in this thread you sometimes need it.
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Wouldn't it be funny if Apple did that, then just rebranded the same Flash software, Steve rolled it out as "the greatest thing ever," and all these "Flash is useless, Flash is stupid, Flash is nothing but 99% ads, etc" people would then gush about how great Flash is, how wonderful that all this free Flash stuff is now going to be available to us, and how bright the future of Apple looks now that a bit of Apple software is on > 98% of every computer in the world?
As someone else wisely posted: this should not be about whether Flash is good or bad. Instead, this is about the lord- otherwise known as Apple- bequeathing that thall shall no longer have Flash, and since we love that lord more than we love all the benefits that Flash offers us on the entire Internet, losing it even as an OPTION on select pieces of Apple gear is not just acceptable... but the absolute right way to go- not just for each of us as individuals, but for all of us as a group. Because Apple decided so.
If Apple tells you to cut off your arms & legs because it will use less body energy to power your then lighter body...
Interactive Flash
There is more to flash content than video. I agree with many, I could live without that. However, there are some very well designed and comprehensive flash-based educational programs for children. Some of these programs provide over 50 hours of high quality online interactive instruction. It would be a shame not to have access to them from an iPad. I am no expert by a long-shot, but perhaps Adobe's App translation tools will be an answer; rewriting the software would cost millions, and I'm not sure there is another medium that would do the job nearly as well.
There is more to flash content than video. I agree with many, I could live without that. However, there are some very well designed and comprehensive flash-based educational programs for children. Some of these programs provide over 50 hours of high quality online interactive instruction. It would be a shame not to have access to them from an iPad. I am no expert by a long-shot, but perhaps Adobe's App translation tools will be an answer; rewriting the software would cost millions, and I'm not sure there is another medium that would do the job nearly as well.
Well, you have a couple of options.
1) Continue bleeting that somebody redesign their product to include feature X, and wait until they do so.
2) Buy a competing device that has feature X.
3) Create, market and sell a device that has feature X, and take one from the production line for your own use.
These options are presented in the order of increasing effort.
The options also happen to be in the order of increasing importance that companies pay attention to you.
People sitting on their ass bleeting about X tend to be ignored. There have to be a LOT of them, and they need to be fairly organized for it to make a difference. See also: results of sending in emails and letters to your congressman/senator [at least in the US].
It takes a smaller group of people, all buying a competing device, to make a company notice and consider including feature X.
And it takes a smaller group of people, all creating and selling competing devices, to make a company notice and consider including feature X.
You appear to be hung up on 1.
I've got no problem with Apple believing that HTML 5 is the future. It may be and they need to be ready for it.
But for the time being for me to buy the iPad which we know is the "ultimate browsing experience" I need it to display flash, which is the current standard... I'm not going to spend $500 - $700 on a device and watch it display little blue boxes on all the pages I surf to.
Not good
But for the time being for me to buy the iPad which we know is the "ultimate browsing experience" I need it to display flash, which is the current standard... I'm not going to spend $500 - $700 on a device and watch it display little blue boxes on all the pages I surf to.
Not good
iPaperweight?
Seriously...no Flash, no multitasking (or limited to what Apple deems appropriate), no GPS, no camera, no SDcard slot (other than that stupid adapter), no USB ports (again, another stupid adapter)
It would have been an out-of-the park homerun had Apple released with a camera, GPS and a multitasking iPad OS.
As "slow" and "low quality" netbooks may be, at least I can use it for more than a paperweight.
You put a V8 in a BMW and then tell your customers that it doesn't have cupholders, you can't drive on side streets, and you can't turn the steering wheel and use the accelerator at the same time (but if allowed, you may use the brake and the steering wheel at the same time)
...but we kept the price low
Seriously...no Flash, no multitasking (or limited to what Apple deems appropriate), no GPS, no camera, no SDcard slot (other than that stupid adapter), no USB ports (again, another stupid adapter)
It would have been an out-of-the park homerun had Apple released with a camera, GPS and a multitasking iPad OS.
As "slow" and "low quality" netbooks may be, at least I can use it for more than a paperweight.
You put a V8 in a BMW and then tell your customers that it doesn't have cupholders, you can't drive on side streets, and you can't turn the steering wheel and use the accelerator at the same time (but if allowed, you may use the brake and the steering wheel at the same time)
...but we kept the price low
As a Windows-fanboy, you obviously know little about Apple and its relevant markets...so apart from your usual trolling, just tell me one reason why this is "fantasy":
1 - Adobe's value is spare change for Apple;
2 - there is great synergy between Adobe's and Apple's software products, especially considering Apple's great clout on the creative segment, as well as its strategic objective of dominating media content creation and manipulation;
3 - SJ has more than enough reasons to execute a hostile takeover of Adobe, with little to no antitrust concerns.
You're right. My solution is I've stopped buying Adobe products. Apple is still innovating and I help they will continue to do so. You're right that they need a wall to bounce off like Microsoft and Adobe so they don't get too settled.
Um, I would bet if Apple told Adobe, yes, you can create a Flash plugin that we will include with the next update for the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad, just send us 20 engineers and 5 million dollars, Adobe would jump at that.
Adobe makes a boatload of cash from selling Flash creation tools, and Flash server software. And they know that not having Flash on the cool new devices will negatively impact future sales of that software.
Yes, like the people who whined until Apple brought back anti-glare on MBP's and firewire on the MBP 13". They weren't that many, and they weren't organized, but they got their way.
I recognize that some people take pleasure in nurturing this notion of Apple being so big and mighty that the company can just scoff at customer demands until the world rethinks and capitulates, but it just isn't so. Apple is as fearful of a backlash as the next company is.
Articulate and Online Learning Via iPad
Without Flash numerous online teaching and learning materials will be unable to deliver. If the iPad is seriously aimed at the education market, then competitive educational pricing will not be enough. Flash will be essential. Alternatively Articulate et al, could produce a flash free product, although I can't see that happening any time soon.
Better still Apple or one of those guru developers could design an App that does the same job !!!! Now that I would buy ....it might even make us consider buying iPads for our College.
As it stands at the moment it's a non starter, we've got too much invested in flash based materials.
Without Flash numerous online teaching and learning materials will be unable to deliver. If the iPad is seriously aimed at the education market, then competitive educational pricing will not be enough. Flash will be essential. Alternatively Articulate et al, could produce a flash free product, although I can't see that happening any time soon.
Better still Apple or one of those guru developers could design an App that does the same job !!!! Now that I would buy ....it might even make us consider buying iPads for our College.
As it stands at the moment it's a non starter, we've got too much invested in flash based materials.
http://www.opensource.apple.com/
http://www.opensource.apple.com/license/apsl/
http://www.apple.com/opensource/
Both the iPhone and OS X SDKs are a free download. It cost 99 dollars to publish for a year on the appstore.
If you had taken a second to google "open source Apple", you would not have had to post that hyperbole.
Apple has already adopted open standards - it is up to the developers to adopt them too.
This all raises the question of what, if any, good Flash content is there out there that couldn't be done as well or better with HTML, Javascript, etc...?
I don't like or run Flash so I have not the foggiest idea. Suggestions for a list of well behaved, useful Flash applications? Ads need not apply.
I don't like or run Flash so I have not the foggiest idea. Suggestions for a list of well behaved, useful Flash applications? Ads need not apply.
Without Flash numerous online teaching and learning materials will be unable to deliver. If the iPad is seriously aimed at the education market, then competitive educational pricing will not be enough. Flash will be essential. Alternatively Articulate et al, could produce a flash free product, although I can't see that happening any time soon.
Better still Apple or one of those guru developers could design an App that does the same job !!!! Now that I would buy ....it might even make us consider buying iPads for our College.
As it stands at the moment it's a non starter, we've got too much invested in flash based materials.
I guess you missed the part where McGraw-Hill will be making apps for the iPad ?
But wouldn't Apple still have to open up the necessary APIs to get Flash to work properly (without using too many system resources, I mean)?
I'd be interested to see what others think about your idea.
It has nothing to do with opening up API's and everything to do with the crap developers at Adobe who can't even make a damn video CODEC that doesn't suck system resources and crash the browser. For me the issue has nothing to with open standards or closed standards, it has to do with a single company who can't get their act together and produce a decent plugin for Safari that doesn't crash the browser and hog resources. If Microsoft can produce a decent Silverlight plugin for Safari without it pulling down the whole browser and not hogging the CPU when decoding videos - I'm sure Adobe can accomplish the same feat. The cold hard reality is that Adobe, their management and their engineers/programmers suck badly; I can't think of a single thing they do well with the only saving grace is the fact that they have a virtual monopoly spanning over several markets. Hell, I'd sooner see JavaFX take off to replace Flash - atleast that doesn't suck as heavily as Flash.
So your "Fantacy" is that SJ takes over Adobe in a hostile takeover and abolishes Flash from the Internet because it does not fit his business model?
Dude, please listen to yourself, you're hilarious.
Can somebody explain just why apple wouldn't do flash support? licensing fees, technical difficulty, power demands? Also, if the ipad and iphone both lack flash support, might it add up to enough pressure to get some websites to use alternatives?