Apple Corrects iPad Promo Video to Show No Flash Capability

[pubwvj]

Good. I don't like Flash and don't want it on my web browsing. On the Mac I use PithHelmet to get rid of Flash. I'm glad not to have it on the iPodTouch/iPhone. I'll be glad to not have Flash on the iPad. Flash is a resource hog.

Some interesting things I see, some sooner than others from all of this:

There will be a camera - of course, silly whiners.

There will be phone via VOIP. No plan, how grand!

There will be GPS.

There will be multitasking, eventually.

Flash is gone. Good as noted. It is a waste of bandwidth, processing power and promoted bad graphic design. I browse the web with Flash turned off - a much better experience. I don't need all that attention grabbing flashy stuff zipping around my screen. Check out Pithhelmet and Glims if you use Safari. Regain control over your web browsing experience.

An iPad (or any iP) with a keyboard is a computer. So simple. Even mice could work.

The iPad/iPhone/iPodTouch (call it the iP) Apps will run on the MacOSX as shown by the SDK test mode on the Macintosh for development. It is just a small step to give this to users in iTunes.

It is only a small stretch to have the iPs run the MacOSX. The processing power is there. All Mac software then runs on the iPs.

Just for good measure Apple also runs all Windows and ClassicMac software on the iPs. This brings in all the Windows users and all that great old Classic software that was there for kids and education. Developers bring out emulators for all other computers. ENIAC lives again, faster and better. Hi Hal!

The MacOSX and the iPOS will merge to become one with the MacOSX being the complex operating system for power users and the iPOS being the simple operating system that is all you get on the small display iPhone and iPod. This was done before by Apple. The wheel rolls around again.

Multiple iPs can become the computers / workstations in a family, classroom or business all base stationed to one computer (Macintosh or Windows!).

Lay out multiple iP's together in a line or a matrix, they self recognize, configure and become a bigger display. Cool advertising and promotion stuff. Wow games!

You might have a small iP (Touch or Phone) for your pocket and a different one for home, classroom, work, etc. People will buy more iPs because they want to have one in their pocket when on the road (iPhone) and one at home for relaxing or using in school or at work with a bigger screen. Watch for the 50" iPad. People who would not otherwise have bought a computer at all will be buying iPs. This sells hardware which is good for Apple, good for software developers, good for content developers and benefits end users. Microsoft will fail - okay, so there are some losers out there. (Note to broker, "Sell MSFT‎.")

You may rarely want to buy another 'computer' instead just buying iPs. Many businesses, schools and home power users will buy a 'computer' to have as a central base station which all their iP's dock to. Airport Extreme, Time Capsule and the Mac will merge for this function. It's all there. The iCube is back. Like the iTV except it might be named the iCenter to make it more obvious that it is different. Lots of connectors both virtual on the wireless and physical for speakers, screen, docks, phone, etc. Smart Homes are here.

You are taking your 'Home' folder with you. And it also still exists at your physical home (apartment, house, business, etc) on your iCenter. Your iCenters can even be syncronized. Home made cloud computing and storage.

Since the iP can have a file area now you can take all of your 'Home' folder with you. Security will be an issue. Solvable.

Voice will become another form of navigation in addition to touch, mouse and keyboard. The tech is here already.

All iPods will become iPs. iPNanos can then be used with a bluetooth mic-headphone. Product lines from Nano to PowerMac are once again unified all running the same operating system and all applications/Apps.

Enter the Apple Cybrog implantable iP, due in 2012.
Always on. Always connected.
Order now!

 

[ipadsad]

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[Veri]

Though both of these may be underwritten by corporations like Apple and Google, they [in their input to W3C] are more intellectual organizations rather competing corporations.

On the contrary, that is a critical property of the W3C! It exists to merge and formalise the specification of previously deployed technologies, and to implement the will of its constituent organisations.

 

[futurase]

Guys,
I believe that Apple is holding out for a legitimate reason. Flash is NOT going away on the web anytime soon so Apple must have a REAL reason behind their actions. Do I want to watch Hulu? ABSOLUTELY.

Are their ways around this? Yes. Every iphone ships with a embedded YouTube App so... Maybe Apple is trying to leverage those companies like Hulu and Vimeo and the tons of others to go the app store route. This is a MONEY MAKING device as we forget sometimes for them.

Also in the tech industry you ALWAYS hold something back for the future. We know Apple will have a version 2 of this thing next year. We know this. Will it have a camera for video conferencing? Don't know, but it will have something this one doesn't. We know that it will. Nature of the beast.

I did not buy the original iphone as I had a Samsung Blackjack and it is 3G and no matter how much I wanted a iphone I could not stand the slow speed. I bought a iphone 3G as soon as they came out. I have not messed with a 3GS as it only gives a minimal increase and nothing I care about. Shooting video and one or two more items. Don't care. I am waiting to see the new one this summer as there will be a new one.

I want flash capability, but there are several factors at work probably and we don't know how far out iphone os 4.0 is and if it is a major overhaul or minor upgrade. Apple was silent about MMS forever until iphone os 3.0. A big part of no flash may be their relationship with AT&T. AT&T admitted their asked Apple not to include MMS until they were ready so that was not fault of Apple's and flash may not be either.

Apple never has and never will give answers as to why they do what they do and no other company does either.

Norman Ross Jr.

 

[pubwvj]

It was actually really funny when Steve was navigating the NYT. He went down to tech news (everything was Apple related) and then scrolled up to a blocked flash photo and just let it sit there for 5 seconds and said, "see what's happening today."

I figured he did it on purpose to make a point. Steve Jobs isn't prone to make mistakes or do things randomly.

 

[mlblacy]

Fine... just stop telling everyone about it

I am over it. The iPad is such a disaster on so many levels. I'm sure some people wil buy it, but it could have been so much more.

Ok, minus ONE sale for Billy, but after that...


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I am in for one, my folks are probably going to buy two, my brother-in-law
(who is a PC guy, and has a blackberry) is probably going to buy one...

Willing to bet a lot of folks are going to end up on the wrong side of history.
You do realize a lot of you sound just like the folks when the iPod & iPhone came out, right?
Just for the cost of 3g web access alone it is a hit. Flash or not, camera or not, phone calls or not....

 

[bretm]

Ok, but tell me, how is it supposed to handle mouse over? Mouse down, mouse up... You know, a lot of those video players don't show controls until you mouse over, but how will the iPad know the difference between a mouse over and a click?

Even mouse position? Your fingers and your wife's fingers are not 1px by 1px—they fill a much larger area. Apple uses some fancy algorithms to determine what link you are trying to press—since Flash goes based on a pure pixel-by-pixel evaluation, that won't work.

Flash, even if it was on iPad, would 90% of the time be useless. Especially for any games, which would certainly need dragging, mousing over, etc.

The only Flash things which _don't_ have this problems are ads. Are Flash ads the part of the web that you are missing?

Sorry many you're just so off base. Mouse up, over, down, etc. are all the exact same functions you can apply to javascript and css, etc. And while sometimes a little odd, they generally work.

Pull down menus for example are often a mouse over. On the iphone, the first click is a mouse over. The second click is a mouse down. Mouse up is when you take your finger off the screen, no different than a mouse down.

Most likely for flash video, it would work just like QT anyway. It wouldn't play in the browser, but an independent flash player app that might even support different gestures to address your video playback concerns.

But even if some games and video players don't work quite right, it's no different than a lot of web pages out there that don't work quite right. I've made a few where the mouse over function doesn't work, or the javascript pull down menus don't work. Just teaches me to be a better designer and not rely on the tricks, but instead make a cleaner site that works and is navigable with and without the pull downs.

Flash can be used for so many things. Simple overlaid elements. Motion menus. Eye candy of course. I'll use it for a scaleable logo for a company for instance. And what do you mean you shouldn't use flash for a still where a jpeg would do? A jpeg might be 100k for a nice piece of art, where a flash file might be 3k.

 

[tmopac]

This isn't about weather we like flash or not

This isn't about weather we want flash or not. It is about apple saying we can't have it. They could easily allow it and have a setting to turn it off if you don't want it. It's not like there aren't other apps in the app store that hog resources. If you can't see the whole website, it is not the best web experience! Period!

 

[kockgunner]

Ok, but tell me, how is it supposed to handle mouse over? Mouse down, mouse up... You know, a lot of those video players don't show controls until you mouse over, but how will the iPad know the difference between a mouse over and a click?

Even mouse position? Your fingers and your wife's fingers are not 1px by 1px—they fill a much larger area. Apple uses some fancy algorithms to determine what link you are trying to press—since Flash goes based on a pure pixel-by-pixel evaluation, that won't work.

Flash, even if it was on iPad, would 90% of the time be useless. Especially for any games, which would certainly need dragging, mousing over, etc.

The only Flash things which _don't_ have this problems are ads. Are Flash ads the part of the web that you are missing?

For JavaScript at least, the first tap is a mouseover while the second is select. Does Apple love the NYTimes that much that they had to use it in their ad and the keynote. Maybe they did it in the keynote on purpose to let people know there is no flash without having to explicitly say it.

 

[ipadsad]

I view Flash sites on my iPhone, for those site that require it. I just VNC into my Mac or RDP into my office Windows server (thru the VPN), and run Firefox/Safari/Chrome there, then view the results remotely. Somewhat choppy for video, but fine for photos and Flash menus.

And I don't have to listen to any fans spin.

That method will work on an iPad even better.

Still no fan noise.

Somewhat choppy video??? I'd love to get "somewhat choppy" video using VNC. How about audio? Share your secrets, please....

 

[pmz]

The average person who uses HULU will know what it is if they try to watch TV on their iPad. But here's the thing: would HULU rather switch from Flash to give access to more people (iPad and laptops and netbooks, etc) or stick with Flash and limit who can watch the content? I strongly suspect HULU will pull a YouTube in the coming months.

Now might be the time, but I don't see the iPad making any difference to Hulu. The amount of potential ad revenue from iPhone/iPod touch users, that they've utterly ignored for 2.5 years, indicates sheer stupidity, and I don't see them having a revelation over the iPad.

75 million iPhoneOS users that can't connect to Hulu from their device.

That's a reality that Hulu has not addressed. If they believe it's "up to Apple," then they're idiots, because they've never heard of the iTunes store.

Are there even 75 million (other) people that know what Hulu is? I doubt it.

Even if the iPad sold 10 million, twice the predicted number, in the first year, it still would be nothing compared to what they're losing every single day by ignoring iPhoneOS popularity.

 

[50548]

Good. I don't like Flash and don't want it on my web browsing. On the Mac I use PithHelmet to get rid of Flash. I'm glad not to have it on the iPodTouch/iPhone. I'll be glad to not have Flash on the iPad. Flash is a resource hog.

Flash is gone. Good as noted. It is a waste of bandwidth, processing power and promoted bad graphic design. I browse the web with Flash turned off - a much better experience. I don't need all that attention grabbing flashy stuff zipping around my screen. Check out Pithhelmet and Glims if you use Safari. Regain control over your web browsing experience.

Your post was a bit long, so I just wanted to add a better suggestion to the repertoire of anti-crappy Flash modules: Click2Flash.

90% of my browing is already Flash-free (ads don't matter, of course) And YouTube is already HTML5-compliant, as per the beta program I am part of...the rest will just follow Apple and dump Flash completely in due course.

 

[aucl]

Meanwhile I see more and more professional designers switching from Apple to PC's because Photoshop and Illustrator run much better on Windows, and are able to fully utilise the RAM on board their heavy machines. Mac users are still limited to 3 GB.

And i thought that is a Windows problem, even 32bit macs were able to utilize 4GB per process theoretically?

I've been using Bootcamp lately to be able to normally follow e-learning classes which are produced in, you guessed it, Flash. When following these lessons on my Mac, things start to stutter when I have Maya, Photoshop or Illustrator running along with the courses. And that on a Mac Pro workstation with 16 GB!

does not matter how much memory your power mac has when you keep too much stuff open.
Both Maya and PS allow to consume memory fast...

 

[miknos]

Bush should nuke Adobe Labs.

 

[bretm]

Ok, minus ONE sale for Billy, but after that...


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I am in for one, my folks are probably going to buy two, my brother-in-law
(who is a PC guy, and has a blackberry) is probably going to buy one...

Willing to bet a lot of folks are going to end up on the wrong side of history.
You do realize a lot of you sound just like the folks when the iPod & iPhone came out, right?
Just for the cost of 3g web access alone it is a hit. Flash or not, camera or not, phone calls or not....

Good point people are missing. In the PC wars, it's been mac or PC programs. Since this is neither, really, it has a huge market. It is a 3rd category. Forget linux. And I know it's OSX under the hood, but what matters is what apps will run on it. There's a 3rd category now of iPhone and iPad apps out there. And both the iPhone or Pad really need a home base computer. And neither cares which. So it's a new category and a compliment to whatever system you have. It doens't replace anything. It's that additional TV or that extra telephone that make life easier and convenient. So it doens't step on anyone's toes, and everyone is a potential buyer.

 

[ipadsad]

For JavaScript at least, the first tap is a mouseover while the second is select. Does Apple love the NYTimes that much that they had to use it in their ad and the keynote. Maybe they did it in the keynote on purpose to let people know there is no flash without having to explicitly say it.

Maybe... seemed pretty awkward for stevie. That, and him puttering around on site like an old man, repeating "isn't this great." What a joke. He would have really been happy if the attack of the blue legos hadn't confused him.

 

[Roller]

Because unfortunately this forum has become, over the years, a magnet for Windows-loving whiners and trolls...we should get used to that.

Maybe, though I don't believe that everyone complaining about missing Flash support here falls into this category.

I just took another look at the part of the keynote where Jobs showed the NYT site. It's possible that he didn't know that the home page included Flash content that wouldn't display on the iPad (which would be uncharacteristic of him), but he came back to that spot on the page a few times and didn't seem bothered by it. It's almost as if he wanted to draw attention to the lack of Flash support.

 

[calzon65]

It's one thing to not support Flash on the iPhone, which is very frustrating, but to not support flash on a device that is touted as having a great browsing experience is just plain stupid and arrogant.

 

[ipadsad]

Bush should nuke Adobe Labs.

He was too busy illegally wiretapping them (and you). Sad thing is, Obama still is. Game over.

 

[garty]

Shame about all this energy wasted complaining about lack of flash and all the threats not to buy one until flash is supported. The iPad will never support flash, the iPhone will never support flash. The reasons are clear. You can all complain every time a new os rev or a new piece of hardware comes out but it will make no difference.

If Hulu (or whoever else) wants to tap into the 75 million and growing user base using the iphone os then it is up to them to provide an alternative that works. And they will.

End of story.!

 

[Criscoso]

It maybe painful but this maybe the only way to force Flash to die. The web should exist without plugins. It's as bad (maybe worse) as requiring people to use certain browsers to view a page (i.e. IE). Open standards all the way!

Edit to add: Sadly lots of companies do similar types of advertisements. The worse are the cellphone companies that promise you can watch video on your phone. The video in the commercial is always of much higher quality than what you get (or is technically possible). They just superimpose some video and pretend that's what it looks. Then in fine print they write "simulated video".

No one has to force nothing on the web, the web is free and evolves by itself, if flash has to die, will die, when the times is right.
Flash is NOW a "de facto" standard. Maybe what we have to do is adopt it as an open standard. Many things are made with flash, why we have to rewirte them if they work? No all companies can rewrite all they have, it is an unnecessary lost of time, money, work,...

 

[Peace]

Apple should just do a hostile takeover of Adobe. Spend 15B for it and then get engineers in there and do stuff right.

 

[pubwvj]

A day will come, and I predict it will be very near April Fool's Day, that Flash for ARM and Safari magically arrives and this whole noise evaporates.

Unfortunately this will not cure the fundamental flaw: Flash designers are giving us junk. Almost all of the Flash is ads or glitz. The glitz is distracting from the content. Ads should not distract from the content or the publisher loses readers. This is a basic rule in publishing and graphic design.

When Flash Designers grow up and stop abusing the medium it will solve 99% of the problem. Then we still have to deal with Flash being a resource hog.

 

[rstansby]

Sadly HTML5 is more broken than Flash ... I can't run some HTML5 video in Firefox because it doesn't support the same format as Chrome and Safari .. and no one with IE can view HTML5 video without installing a chrome frame.. which the average users won't know to do...

I just got a letter today from google apps. They are dropping support for IE, because they are going to start using HTML5.

If HTML5 is the future that is great, but for now the iPad will be crippled without flash.

 

[veggies]

Now might be the time, but I don't see the iPad making any difference to Hulu. The amount of potential ad revenue from iPhone/iPod touch users, that they've utterly ignored for 2.5 years, indicates sheer stupidity, and I don't see them having a revelation over the iPad.

75 million iPhoneOS users that can't connect to Hulu from their device.

That's a reality that Hulu has not addressed. If they believe it's "up to Apple," then they're idiots, because they've never heard of the iTunes store.

Are there even 75 million (other) people that know what Hulu is? I doubt it.

Even if the iPad sold 10 million, twice the predicted number, in the first year, it still would be nothing compared to what they're losing every single day by ignoring iPhoneOS popularity.

fair enough. still, wouldn't Comcast like to draw in people that might buy content from iTunes? Once Hulu goes to a subscriber model (IF, i should say), maybe they'll change. Or maybe they'll stay a Flash-friendly site to discourage people from buying an iPad. Regardless, it'll be very interesting.