I agree completely.
If this appealing to the average consumer then I imagine they will be confused as to why this supposedly superior web surfing tool will not display their favorite shows or websites.
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Apple Corrects iPad Promo Video to Show No Flash Capability
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I agree completely.
If this appealing to the average consumer then I imagine they will be confused as to why this supposedly superior web surfing tool will not display their favorite shows or websites.
That is what we call an opinion. Everyone has one, including Apple.
And all that matters, even slightly, are the 75 million customers who have spoken with their wallets, and shown that Flash is not a "deal breaker" for anyone or anything.
If Apple even could sell 20 million iPads, a fraction of the iPhone OS customer base, it would be an insane runaway success for a tablet device, so much so that it would never matter if Flash were a part of it or not.............just like it doesn't matter, on the iPhone, right now, and for the last 3 years...
Off topic. The other day my butt was itching so I scratched it.
I don't know about you but I can't tolerate an ichy booty.
I don't know about you but I can't tolerate an ichy booty.
Who asked you?
Why do you assume this product will never be rev'd with new features incorporated? There will be a v2 and v3 (assuming it isn't a failure as some here would wish it to be). If it is still not meeting your needs v2/v3+, then it's not a product for you, why worry about it, and more importantly, why go into a forum where people are discussing this recently announced product and declare that it's not for you? I'm puzzled why people feel the need to make such comments. If it isn't for you but you think it could be, why not adopt a positive attitude and say, "it's not there now, but I like the concept and what will make it appealing to me is when they add this, this and this feature in."
Why do you assume this product will never be rev'd with new features incorporated? There will be a v2 and v3 (assuming it isn't a failure as some here would wish it to be). If it is still not meeting your needs v2/v3+, then it's not a product for you, why worry about it, and more importantly, why go into a forum where people are discussing this recently announced product and declare that it's not for you? I'm puzzled why people feel the need to make such comments. If it isn't for you but you think it could be, why not adopt a positive attitude and say, "it's not there now, but I like the concept and what will make it appealing to me is when they add this, this and this feature in."
By the Flash plugin being 'optimized' for mobile devices, Adobe means they:
1) removed functionality vs their full desktop plugin
2) require the mobile device to have specific hardware chips besides the CPU to do the work of video decoding, so it can actually do the primary use of Flash, which is to display video
So it increases the build cost and complexity of each device while reducing the battery life of the device, solely to display content in a propriety format, which producers have to pay Adobe for both the tools to create the content as well as for the server software. For video content, there are now both free and for-pay software for streaming it to browsers.
There's no Flash on the iPhone?! I must really have been missing out on the web for the past three years...
I don't get it. Instead of plug-ins, you just make the monolithic browser bigger? What is the advantage? It is bad enough that the Web has such a monopoly on content delivery, contrasted with an Internet of protocols fit for purpose (forums via HTML - why?!)... do you want to put all control in the hands of the W3C?
please, don't confuse the issue with real facts--you might have short circuited
yesterdays 11 page thread
Yes, and that's probably one of the reasons why Adobe finally got their thumbs out of their asses and made Flash 10.1 take advantage of hardware acceleration. The reason why Flash has been a resource hog that makes the fans spin up like crazy is that it lets the CPU take the entire load. It renders graphics like Windows 3.1. But in 10.1 they've added hardware acceleration, increased rendering speed by 87% and reduced memory consumption by 55%. This is the overhaul that addresses all of Steve's gripes with Flash.
They've also rewritten ActionScript from the ground up. One of the main reasons why Flash crashes often isn't that the plugin itself is all that unstable, but that they've gone overboard with ActionScript and allowed developers bizarre amounts of freedom, and they puke out code that never gets tested as thoroughly as regular software. If Flash has been redesigned to handle some of the damage control by itself rather than dump the problems on the browser, it will be much less destructive.
At the same time they're making it available for a whole range of mobile devices -- it's coming to Blackberry, Pre, Android and Windows Mobile. If there wasn't much Flash content on mobile sites before, there will be now.
Why would you report me for stating my honest opinion. My reply was meant for someone who said Flash is a closed technology earlier in the thread. That makes no sense for someone to get reported over.
What happened to freedom of speech and stating how you feel about a topic? It's my opinion and I don't need BIG BROTHER watching over what I say.
Adobe is in Steve's doghouse, and the customers have to suffer for it.
Meanwhile I see more and more professional designers switching from Apple to PC's because Photoshop and Illustrator run much better on Windows, and are able to fully utilise the RAM on board their heavy machines. Mac users are still limited to 3 GB.
I've been using Bootcamp lately to be able to normally follow e-learning classes which are produced in, you guessed it, Flash. When following these lessons on my Mac, things start to stutter when I have Maya, Photoshop or Illustrator running along with the courses. And that on a Mac Pro workstation with 16 GB!
Not good, Apple... Not good...
Meanwhile I see more and more professional designers switching from Apple to PC's because Photoshop and Illustrator run much better on Windows, and are able to fully utilise the RAM on board their heavy machines. Mac users are still limited to 3 GB.
I've been using Bootcamp lately to be able to normally follow e-learning classes which are produced in, you guessed it, Flash. When following these lessons on my Mac, things start to stutter when I have Maya, Photoshop or Illustrator running along with the courses. And that on a Mac Pro workstation with 16 GB!
Not good, Apple... Not good...
Um, Apple has never said they are working on adding Flash to the iPhone, iPod Touch or the iPad. Only Adobe has claimed that they were working closely with Apple to do so.
anyone think it's just apple just trying to muscle out flash and when html5 rolls into being standard apple devices might be ready to flawlessly support the new standard (not yet a standard i know) .... wishful thinking... that's all apple lets us do anymore. kinda annoying always sticking up for them :-/
Talk about an oxymoron, ultimate web surfing experience, without ability to use Flash.
Grow up Steve and get Flash on the iPad. Shareholders should be pissed as this will reduce sales and increase returns when people get home and realize how much content they'll miss out on (not to mention businesses that use RIA's developed with Flash).
I can understand no Flash on the iPhone, not on the iPad.
JW
Yeah, I an see that an issue as I know there are a lot of facebook fans who would probably use this while watching TV and playing their facebook apps--most of which are flash generated.
Agreed, how can the iPad be the "best" Internet device w/o Flash? 75% or more of online video requires Flash -- and iPad owners now require a second device to see it.
Apple didn't say Blu ray itself was bag of hurt, they said the liscencing for it was a bag of hurt. Here is the gull quote, which people tend to cut/mine:
Steve Jobs said: