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What some people fail to understand is that HTML can only upgrade itself as a standard once every 10 or so years. By the time HTML5 becomes a standard, which most experts are saying will be 2012 .. Flash will have evolved past what it already is now. By 2012 flash will be far into 3D web apps and more.
 
Adobe is in Steve's doghouse, and the customers have to suffer for it.

Meanwhile I see more and more professional designers switching from Apple to PC's because Photoshop and Illustrator run much better on Windows, and are able to fully utilise the RAM on board their heavy machines. Mac users are still limited to 3 GB.

I've been using Bootcamp lately to be able to normally follow e-learning classes which are produced in, you guessed it, Flash. When following these lessons on my Mac, things start to stutter when I have Maya, Photoshop or Illustrator running along with the courses. And that on a Mac Pro workstation with 16 GB!

Not good, Apple... Not good...

Yeah well how about you complain to Adobe about their software instead of Apple :rolleyes:. Quite a few ISV’s manage to make quality software for Mac without Apple holding their hand.
 
mbp's cant handle flash sites?

I just bought a 17" mbp that i intend to run windows 95% of the time for software that is windows only or runs better on windows. mac hardware is great, the os is ok, but mac exceptionalism is insufferable. Give me windows most of the time, flaws and all. I spend minimal time with the os
 
also there are already hacks in the works. with no contract necessary why is any of this a big deal.

get the normal wifi iPad. tether it to your iphone 3g or 3gs.

jailbreak the os, and do whatever your little heart desires.

i think it's still a pretty sweet set up... a little iphone+ipad love connection.

come on... think different. if you wanted to compute the way everyone else does....WHY DO YOU WANT APPLE?
 
it may be one of apple's greatest triumph's if they manage to dethrone flash. i hope they do, but i think it can only really happen if they come to a deal with adobe.
Get real. The iPhone has a 0.44% market share among web browsers after nearly 3 years and 75 million sold, and chances are the iPad won't even sell in iPhone numbers. Nobody's going to start a costly transition from Flash to some rickety beta of HTML5 as long as 99.56% of the visitors can view Flash.
 
Flash can die. Getting onto a website only to have the entire thing be taken over by a flash ad and being forced to search for the "X" so you can access content behind it should be enough to make anyone with good sense hate it.
 
anyone think it's just apple just trying to muscle out flash and when html5 rolls into being standard apple devices might be ready to flawlessly support the new standard (not yet a standard i know) .... wishful thinking... that's all apple lets us do anymore. kinda annoying always sticking up for them :-/

HTML5 is already a standard but still in the making. It just isn’t that well supported by client software yet. For targeting certain devices (like iPhone) it’s perfectly appropriate. (Being a standard or not is not decided based on amount of usage.)
 
Flash can just disappear for all I care.

I just wish Apple would make a nicer icon for missing flash content - I don't like the blue Lego piece.
Something subtle would be nice, like when using Click To Flash in Safari.
 
why cant apple put flash on the iPad, to my understanding it has 10 hours worth of battery; negating the excuse that flash is too hard on the battery

is it just me or is apple kindof pulling a Bose and sitting on its brand its built for itself??
 
I'm frustrated that Flash will always be around and will always be a nuisance to iPhone/Touch/Pad users, but look how the web has adapted to the iPhone. Many popular pages have dedicated layouts for the device and even more have dedicated apps. With the release of Flash CS5, Flash animators will be able to port their projects to native iPhone apps. As long as these Apple devices remain popular, major developers will have to adapt.

It's not perfect and it's a pain, but it's also not the end of the world. I guess this is the way forward, though I'll still have to go to a real computer to order a pizza or movie ticket :-(
 
WHY does EVERY thread turn into a Flash/NO Flash discussion ?
Um, I think it's pretty telling that Apple actually went out of their way to "fake" flash on the iPad, then after people called them on it, went back and actually fixed their promotional material to take out the deceptive images. It's a relevant topic that bears discussion. That's why.
 
LOL at the people who think anyone cares whether it has flash or not.

75,000,000 iphone/ipod touch users don't.

...or perhaps they like the other features of the phone- such as- say- the phone functionality to put up with the lack of this ONE feature.

Hundreds of millions of people pay taxes, but I wouldn't take that as a mandate that they like it that way.

Similarly, I wouldn't sling around the number of iPhone/Touch users like their purchase was solely a vote against Flash. I say they voted for a superior smart phone experience... but, in exchange for all the great stuff, they put up with stuff that is less than ideal.

There are abundant uses of Flash on websites that is not just ads (for example, there's TONs of interactive educational presentations developed in Flash). There are abundant tools for educators to make it easy to render in Flash (allowing them to educate in rich media ways without having to be- or pay- a Flash programmer). These tools do not exist for matching the experience via HTML5, etc. Flash runs on just about every computer and every computer platform; HTML5 is still not compatible across just the major browsers. Will this change in time? Sure. But doing without until that time comes- just because Apple has arbitrarily decided it for us- is a poor cause to get behind (unless you're the type that Apple could tell you that the moon is made of cheese, and you would agree... just because "so sayeth the Steve").

As others have suggested, wouldn't it be better to include Flash as an OPTION for each user, making it clear to them that by using it, they are likely to see faster battery burn?

Or very, very simply: Is it really the very best option that Apple chooses to decide such matters for us?

If Steve takes the stage next year and tells us that freedom of speech is just a big bag of hurt, would some of you be on here afterwards saying how right he is, people talk too much anyway? I dig Apple, have lots of Apple products, etc, but some of this fanboy stuff is almost cult-like. Step back and think about it before you just accept that Apple is all-knowing & all-seeing and worse... always right about all things.
 
most web sale sites use flash

just because many readers here spend most of there time on tech blogs doesn't mean that the rest of the internet does not matter. Want to check your stocks --flash graphics; want to make a catalogue purchase--flash graphics. Its all over the place...please, get a clue! this will be resolved before the introduction of the product
 
iFad

Instead of the Apple logo, they should put the blue brick on the tablet's back. Some people wouldn't even notice that they are missing major things from websites. They would be under the impression that Apple is just advertising the iPad all over the web. :)







Ugh I'm so sick of the anti-Apple zealots and their ignorance. For calling themselves nerds and geeks they sure aren't very smart. And most obviously haven't used flash on anything other than a notebook or desktop.

Check out how well hulu runs on a pretty power netbook. Pretty crappy, and for some reason they think it will run well on a tablet and even a phone? Morons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOdEzofmT40

Why waste your time posting how much you hate Apple critics?
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7D11 Safari/528.16)

Pretty ballsy to show the missing plugin there. I like it. Bye bye flash.

Or they don't want a lawsuit for false advertising?
 
Ultimately I think this reflects poorly on the individual websites rather than Apple. Nothing says "Get with the times" like having your page featured in an Apple promo with missing content.

The internet is (ideally) designed to be viewed equally on all different sorts of devices. Flash gets in the way of this.
 
I have heard people say that not including flash is a way to convince websites to be more open source in how they display content. My question is are there methods for displaying video or playing games that offer the same things as flash but more open source? In apple's mind if they were able to convince all developers that flash is a bad idea, what would the alternative be that would accomplish exactly the same end user goals?
 
Um, I think it's pretty telling that Apple actually went out of their way to "fake" flash on the iPad, then after people called them on it, went back and actually fixed their promotional material to take out the deceptive images. It's a relevant topic that bears discussion. That's why.

They didn't "go out of their way." They contracted some ad agency that hacked something up and probably no one thought anything at all about flash when they did it.
 
It maybe painful but this maybe the only way to force Flash to die. The web should exist without plugins. It's as bad (maybe worse) as requiring people to use certain browsers to view a page (i.e. IE). Open standards all the way!

Edit to add: Sadly lots of companies do similar types of advertisements. The worse are the cellphone companies that promise you can watch video on your phone. The video in the commercial is always of much higher quality than what you get (or is technically possible). They just superimpose some video and pretend that's what it looks. Then in fine print they write "simulated video".
 
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