What some people fail to understand is that HTML can only upgrade itself as a standard once every 10 or so years. By the time HTML5 becomes a standard, which most experts are saying will be 2012 .. Flash will have evolved past what it already is now. By 2012 flash will be far into 3D web apps and more.
Apple Corrects iPad Promo Video to Show No Flash Capability
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Yeah well how about you complain to Adobe about their software instead of Apple
. Quite a few ISVs manage to make quality software for Mac without Apple holding their hand.
rowspaxe
macrumors 68020
mbp's cant handle flash sites?
I just bought a 17" mbp that i intend to run windows 95% of the time for software that is windows only or runs better on windows. mac hardware is great, the os is ok, but mac exceptionalism is insufferable. Give me windows most of the time, flaws and all. I spend minimal time with the os
I just bought a 17" mbp that i intend to run windows 95% of the time for software that is windows only or runs better on windows. mac hardware is great, the os is ok, but mac exceptionalism is insufferable. Give me windows most of the time, flaws and all. I spend minimal time with the os
HowardRoarke
macrumors newbie
also there are already hacks in the works. with no contract necessary why is any of this a big deal.
get the normal wifi iPad. tether it to your iphone 3g or 3gs.
jailbreak the os, and do whatever your little heart desires.
i think it's still a pretty sweet set up... a little iphone+ipad love connection.
come on... think different. if you wanted to compute the way everyone else does....WHY DO YOU WANT APPLE?
get the normal wifi iPad. tether it to your iphone 3g or 3gs.
jailbreak the os, and do whatever your little heart desires.
i think it's still a pretty sweet set up... a little iphone+ipad love connection.
come on... think different. if you wanted to compute the way everyone else does....WHY DO YOU WANT APPLE?
Anuba
macrumors 68040
Get real. The iPhone has a 0.44% market share among web browsers after nearly 3 years and 75 million sold, and chances are the iPad won't even sell in iPhone numbers. Nobody's going to start a costly transition from Flash to some rickety beta of HTML5 as long as 99.56% of the visitors can view Flash.
killerrobot
macrumors 68020
I'm sure all that was needed to be said was false advertising for that to happen.
HTML5 is already a standard but still in the making. It just isnt that well supported by client software yet. For targeting certain devices (like iPhone) its perfectly appropriate. (Being a standard or not is not decided based on amount of usage.)
wetrix
macrumors 6502
I'm frustrated that Flash will always be around and will always be a nuisance to iPhone/Touch/Pad users, but look how the web has adapted to the iPhone. Many popular pages have dedicated layouts for the device and even more have dedicated apps. With the release of Flash CS5, Flash animators will be able to port their projects to native iPhone apps. As long as these Apple devices remain popular, major developers will have to adapt.
It's not perfect and it's a pain, but it's also not the end of the world. I guess this is the way forward, though I'll still have to go to a real computer to order a pizza or movie ticket :-(
It's not perfect and it's a pain, but it's also not the end of the world. I guess this is the way forward, though I'll still have to go to a real computer to order a pizza or movie ticket :-(
Um, I think it's pretty telling that Apple actually went out of their way to "fake" flash on the iPad, then after people called them on it, went back and actually fixed their promotional material to take out the deceptive images. It's a relevant topic that bears discussion. That's why.
fkntotalkaos
macrumors 6502
Would love to hear an official response to this from apple.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
...or perhaps they like the other features of the phone- such as- say- the phone functionality to put up with the lack of this ONE feature.
Hundreds of millions of people pay taxes, but I wouldn't take that as a mandate that they like it that way.
Similarly, I wouldn't sling around the number of iPhone/Touch users like their purchase was solely a vote against Flash. I say they voted for a superior smart phone experience... but, in exchange for all the great stuff, they put up with stuff that is less than ideal.
There are abundant uses of Flash on websites that is not just ads (for example, there's TONs of interactive educational presentations developed in Flash). There are abundant tools for educators to make it easy to render in Flash (allowing them to educate in rich media ways without having to be- or pay- a Flash programmer). These tools do not exist for matching the experience via HTML5, etc. Flash runs on just about every computer and every computer platform; HTML5 is still not compatible across just the major browsers. Will this change in time? Sure. But doing without until that time comes- just because Apple has arbitrarily decided it for us- is a poor cause to get behind (unless you're the type that Apple could tell you that the moon is made of cheese, and you would agree... just because "so sayeth the Steve").
As others have suggested, wouldn't it be better to include Flash as an OPTION for each user, making it clear to them that by using it, they are likely to see faster battery burn?
Or very, very simply: Is it really the very best option that Apple chooses to decide such matters for us?
If Steve takes the stage next year and tells us that freedom of speech is just a big bag of hurt, would some of you be on here afterwards saying how right he is, people talk too much anyway? I dig Apple, have lots of Apple products, etc, but some of this fanboy stuff is almost cult-like. Step back and think about it before you just accept that Apple is all-knowing & all-seeing and worse... always right about all things.
rowspaxe
macrumors 68020
most web sale sites use flash
just because many readers here spend most of there time on tech blogs doesn't mean that the rest of the internet does not matter. Want to check your stocks --flash graphics; want to make a catalogue purchase--flash graphics. Its all over the place...please, get a clue! this will be resolved before the introduction of the product
just because many readers here spend most of there time on tech blogs doesn't mean that the rest of the internet does not matter. Want to check your stocks --flash graphics; want to make a catalogue purchase--flash graphics. Its all over the place...please, get a clue! this will be resolved before the introduction of the product
kernkraft
macrumors 68020
iFad
Instead of the Apple logo, they should put the blue brick on the tablet's back. Some people wouldn't even notice that they are missing major things from websites. They would be under the impression that Apple is just advertising the iPad all over the web.
Why waste your time posting how much you hate Apple critics?
Instead of the Apple logo, they should put the blue brick on the tablet's back. Some people wouldn't even notice that they are missing major things from websites. They would be under the impression that Apple is just advertising the iPad all over the web.
Why waste your time posting how much you hate Apple critics?
Virtuon
macrumors member
Good reasoning there smart guy!
Or they don't want a lawsuit for false advertising?
Allen Werner
macrumors newbie
Ultimately I think this reflects poorly on the individual websites rather than Apple. Nothing says "Get with the times" like having your page featured in an Apple promo with missing content.
The internet is (ideally) designed to be viewed equally on all different sorts of devices. Flash gets in the way of this.
The internet is (ideally) designed to be viewed equally on all different sorts of devices. Flash gets in the way of this.
excalibur313
macrumors 6502a
I have heard people say that not including flash is a way to convince websites to be more open source in how they display content. My question is are there methods for displaying video or playing games that offer the same things as flash but more open source? In apple's mind if they were able to convince all developers that flash is a bad idea, what would the alternative be that would accomplish exactly the same end user goals?
robfromabove
macrumors regular
I LOL'd at Apple's correction.
cmaier
Suspended
They didn't "go out of their way." They contracted some ad agency that hacked something up and probably no one thought anything at all about flash when they did it.
It maybe painful but this maybe the only way to force Flash to die. The web should exist without plugins. It's as bad (maybe worse) as requiring people to use certain browsers to view a page (i.e. IE). Open standards all the way!
Edit to add: Sadly lots of companies do similar types of advertisements. The worse are the cellphone companies that promise you can watch video on your phone. The video in the commercial is always of much higher quality than what you get (or is technically possible). They just superimpose some video and pretend that's what it looks. Then in fine print they write "simulated video".
Edit to add: Sadly lots of companies do similar types of advertisements. The worse are the cellphone companies that promise you can watch video on your phone. The video in the commercial is always of much higher quality than what you get (or is technically possible). They just superimpose some video and pretend that's what it looks. Then in fine print they write "simulated video".