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It’s already on the user.
No. It's not. Apple is not giving the user a choice. whether you want to admit that or bow to the fruit is another question all together. I cannot use another application source on my iPhone right now to get content, apps etc.
 
But why would Tim lie about privacy? I mean, apart from the hundreds of millions of dollars he would lose in bonuses?

Apple’s lies about security are approaching the level of cigarette companies advertising their products as healthy.


“Apple’s self-assured hubris is just unparalleled,” said Patrick Wardle, a former NSA employee and founder of the Mac security developer Objective-See. “They basically believe that their way is the best way. And to be fair … the iPhone has had incredible success. But you talk to any external security researcher, they’re probably not going to have a lot of great things to say about Apple. Whereas if you talk to security researchers in dealing with, say, Microsoft, they’ve said: ‘We’re gonna put our ego aside, and ultimately realise that the security researchers are reporting vulnerabilities that at the end of the day are benefiting our users, because we’re able to patch them.’ I don’t think Apple has that same mindset.”
Wow, what does that really say about Microsoft and Intel then? Meltdown, Spectre, https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ne...e Code Execution Vulnerability More items...
 
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The problem with these government interventions is that usually those involved don't have the foggiest idea of technology and they are more used to pushing bits of paper, hence UK governments have failed repeatedly in getting even basic across the board computer systems functioning.

So whilst restrictive practices are to be deplored, governments bringing in such censorship or rules should be held liable for any failures as a result of their own rules.

For example: if its thrown open to the world to produce whatever apps they like for Apple products, who pays to remove malware, who then complains if sensitive information has been leached from systems as a result of having no control over the content of applications.

Whilst Apple is not 100% successful in weeding out applications that pose a threat, its better than having no control over what is sold to consumers, from vendors and indeed sovereign backed nations whose motivation may have nothing to do with the application they are 'selling' or giving away, but more interested in harvesting data etc.

Its Apple's operating systems, and no one knows better any threats posed to it than Apple, and even then assistance from independent sources aids in culling applications that may be a risk.

With no controls at all, it would absolve Apple of any responsibility to bother with virus protection, malware protection etc. etc.

Far better for these governments to concentrate on consumer issues of a more substantive nature, and not necessarily right to repair, but more importantly PROPER WARRANTIES of 5 years for items over a certain price.

The idea that you can buy a new computer and one year and a day you've lost your investment is crazy. Same with white goods. You shouldn't have to buy extended warranties, the goods should be warranted to last much more than 1 year, as then right to repair is less likely to even be a problem
In case you aren't aware, in the UK we have decent protection already as part of EU/UK consumer protection law. In England and Wales it's 6 years from the date of purchase, in Scotland it's 5 years. In short, if the computer breaks as a result of a manufacturing defect the manufacturer has to offer a repair, an exchange, a refund or a replacement (read the article I've linked below as it's more complex than that). I've used this laws a few times for ssd and battery replacement but I still get the extra AppleCare as the coverage is slightly different and I've found it to be worth it on the whole, especially for notebooks. Apple have replaced three of mine in the last eleven years due to logic board issues.

 
I like Apple kit precisely because it is locked down - I like to think I am savvy enough not to install compromised software on my devices, but not so sure about less technically minded users.

There is a choice - if you want freedom to side load etc, buy an Android device...

Also you are indirectly impacted if your family or friend gets a malicious app. Your contact info gets leaked or your private conversation gets read.
 
No. It's not. Apple is not giving the user a choice. whether you want to admit that or bow to the fruit is another question all together. I cannot use another application source on my iPhone right now to get content, apps etc.
You as the user have a choice of either buying an iPhone and using the provided app store or buying a different phone and whatever stores they allow on their device. That is the free market choice, you just don't like it...and that's okay. I don't like Subaru's Starlink tech, I'd prefer them to use GM's infotainment. I can complain all day and cry on forums or try to petition them but I doubt they'd make that change, so I don't buy their vehicles anymore. Or I could buy an aftermarket headunit and try to get close to the GM functionality, that's the free market choice.
 
You as the user have a choice of either buying an iPhone and using the provided app store or buying a different phone and whatever stores they allow on their device. That is the free market choice, you just don't like it...and that's okay. I don't like Subaru's Starlink tech, I'd prefer them to use GM's infotainment. I can complain all day and cry on forums or try to petition them but I doubt they'd make that change, so I don't buy their vehicles anymore. Or I could buy an aftermarket headunit and try to get close to the GM functionality, that's the free market choice.
agreed. I am running from apple as fast as I can. I have ditched every product I owned and only have the iPhone left now. That's gone ASAP!
 
Ha! The British government wants tech companies to "follow new rules of acceptable behaviour" perhaps they should look at their own behaviour first! Project after high-tech software project has failed because the British government doesn't have a clue on where to start to make things secure, if you're looking for the end of a software project there isn't one its ongoing, to protect our privacy. You spent millions of £s trying to develop the NHS Covid app, what a failure that was. In the end you had to turn to the tech companies who know what they are doing. The devices that I use have apps on them that keeps my data private on my device! To have any App Store open to every app available that could be side-loaded is true and utter madness.
 
On apple...yes. you are correct.
It's actually that way on all devices, but yes even the walled garden gets infiltrated from time to time. Glad there are fewer vectors of intrusion with Apple than the multiple app stores of other companies though.
 
The situations in which govt Bureaucrats produced a situation that was long time better for consumers than the status que are real but rare. So rare the default should be skepticism. Now the situations in which bureaucrats made things better for one rich business instead of another, or for themselves, or for their political bosses are trivially common. These laws will make things better for some businesses. A small crowd of consumers will cheer them. Most consumers will be worse off. So … govt as usual.
 
It's actually that way on all devices, but yes even the walled garden gets infiltrated from time to time. Glad there are fewer vectors of intrusion with Apple than the multiple app stores of other companies though.
Keep believing that. It's NO DIFFERENT. The only difference is the marketing department at apple telling you that you are safer. The user is ultimately responsable for anything that happens. However, Apples recent imessage issues are greater than what they make you believe. Seeing as since android is a more open platform you can use trusted 3rd party software to scan for intrusions, where on apple they forbid that and you have no idea you have been comprimised.
 
I suppose Apple could always make using their App Store a requirement of the developer agreement. If you don't want to use their App Store, you are free to make your own compiler, libraries, and documentation.
 
You as the user have a choice of either buying an iPhone and using the provided app store or buying a different phone and whatever stores they allow on their device. That is the free market choice, you just don't like it...and that's okay. I don't like Subaru's Starlink tech, I'd prefer them to use GM's infotainment. I can complain all day and cry on forums or try to petition them but I doubt they'd make that change, so I don't buy their vehicles anymore. Or I could buy an aftermarket headunit and try to get close to the GM functionality, that's the free market choice.

Apart from the fact that in your analogy Subaru is also using a massive army of lawyers to threaten financial ruin on any independent mechanics who repair or upgrade their products. And also claiming they make zero profits anywhere in the world except some for tax havens so that they contribute almost nothing to the cities or countries that host them.
 
Keep believing that. It's NO DIFFERENT. The only difference is the marketing department at Apple telling you that you are safer. The user is ultimately responsible for anything that happens. However, Apple's recent iMessage issues are greater than what they make you believe. Seeing as since Android is a more open platform you can use trusted 3rd party software to scan for intrusions, where on Apple they forbid that and you have no idea you have been compromised.
Are you talking about Kismet/Pegasus? I believe what I do because I do my own research and because of some of the work I have been involved in with devices. I 100% do not trust biased marketing departments because their job is literally to make you only want that company's stuff. You can use some VPNs to see in and outgoing traffic across your device and download a third party app like Signal to handle E2EE messaging. Apple's problem is how they sandbox some apps versus others. Some vulnerabilities have been addressed with iOS 14's introduction of BlastDoor, but there is literally a company out there with trained cyber teams aimed solely at finding/developing exploits for nefarious purposes, targeting Apple phones. There are also teams aimed at Android. Like I said I'd rather have more narrowed avenues of intrusion than what your 'let's open the phone to various stores' desire would allow.

There are power users who scrutinize every app before installing, and then there are the ignorant ones who mindlessly click through the warnings wondering why the dumb app just won't install so they can share their life with the world. The current app store already allows enough of those apps in as it is, I'd hate to see what could be side-loaded. You have to know there would be a million posts here afterwards of cries for why Apple would allow x company to run such a scam after they side-loaded it, they would need another team of lawyers for those liability cases as well.
 
Are you talking about Kismet/Pegasus? I believe what I do because I do my own research and because of some of the work I have been involved in with devices. I 100% do not trust biased marketing departments because their job is literally to make you only want that company's stuff. You can use some VPNs to see in and outgoing traffic across your device and download a third party app like Signal to handle E2EE messaging. Apple's problem is how they sandbox some apps versus others. Some vulnerabilities have been addressed with iOS 14's introduction of BlastDoor, but there is literally a company out there with trained cyber teams aimed solely at finding/developing exploits for nefarious purposes, targeting Apple phones. There are also teams aimed at Android. Like I said I'd rather have more narrowed avenues of intrusion than what your 'let's open the phone to various stores' desire would allow.

There are power users who scrutinize every app before installing, and then there are the ignorant ones who mindlessly click through the warnings wondering why the dumb app just won't install so they can share their life with the world. The current app store already allows enough of those apps in as it is, I'd hate to see what could be side-loaded. You have to know there would be a million posts here afterwards of cries for why Apple would allow x company to run such a scam after they side-loaded it, they would need another team of lawyers for those liability cases as well.

Yeah imagine if Apple didn’t invest 4 seconds per app testing their security…
 
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