Apple Could Be Forced to Include a Charger with Every iPhone Sold in Brazil

[tennisproha]

you should have 100 of these blocks in your drawer, if not, ask your neighbor, he has 200 of them in his drawer. They are all over planet earth, the landfill is overflowing with them!!!

So you are saying you have zero USB charging bricks in your house? I have like 20 of them.

Y’all have 20-200 USB-C chargers?? Well damn, DM me and I’ll pay for shipping for you to send them over.

 

[I7guy]

Y’all have 20-200 USB-C chargers?? Well damn, DM me and I’ll pay for shipping for you to send them over.

I have about 10 5 watt usb-a chargers. For $10/per brick and you pay shipping I'll send them over.

I think that Apple is going to have to deal with these local law exceptions...as in France where a headphone must be included.

 

[Krizoitz]

And a judge can consider that this is a tie-in purchase in disguise because they changed the price when forced to include the charger.

Since the iPhone won’t be available without the charger by demand of the government it’s not a tie in.

 

[I7guy]

I think all countries should force Apple to include the charger with Apple products to be honest. If I use a third party charger and something happens to my iPhone will Apple replace it free of charge...I don't think so. Not happy with Apple decision to omit chargers.

Considering the EU already believes Apple is large contributor to e-waste, it's not going to happen in Europe. The example of the use of a third party charger is a straw-man. Concern about your phone can be mitigated by buying an Apple charger of your choice. You may not be happy with that outcome, but it's certainly viable.

 

[MacManTexas56]

Philosophically, why should corporations pay taxes at all? All their employees are already paying income taxes and the companies already pay a ton of taxes, like property tax, tax on utilities, every time their employees take a flight (20%), stay at a hotel (20%), stage an event, buy furniture, food, equipment, etc.?

Since when did it become ok to pay taxes? We didn’t even pay an income tax until a few decades ago. Much is made of the marginal tax rate, yet the federal, state and local governments hit us with taxes at every turn but are too scared to tell us so they surreptitiously include these “fees” everywhere. Did you know that if you come to NYC and have the bagel sliced, you pay a tax on that?? Yet, these idiots still can’t balance their budgets! So why in the world would anyone be OK with the gov’t collecting more money from us so they can piss it away?

Lastly, no one is ”stiffing” anyone. Everyone has choices. People need to stop with the victim mentality and expecting big brother to step in every time there’s a problem. That’s how you get Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Castro, Maduro, and dare I say, Bernie, Warren, AOC and their ilk who promise a new brand of socialism... one that will actually work this time. Sure, OK. And why would anyone believe them when they’re profiting millions from their brain dead ideas but are unwilling to share their own wealth?? AOC recently did a cover of a magazine with a $14k suit on... reminds me of Castro promising equality for everyone while showing off his new Rolex, even as his people were barely getting enough to eat.

yet you're a victim to "taxes", classic. 😆

 

[MacManTexas56]

But people _have_ lots of USB A chargers. That’s getting too stupid for me now.

so then you include a cord that doesn't plug into a usb a block. makes total sense!

 

[tennisproha]

I have about 10 5 watt usb-a chargers. For $10/per brick and you pay shipping I'll send them over.

I think that Apple is going to have to deal with these local law exceptions...as in France where a headphone must be included.

USB-C charger and you got a deal. Apparently y’all just have tons of em lying around.

 

[I7guy]

USB-C charger and you got a deal. Apparently y’all just have tons of em lying around.

What, apparently we have lying around is tons of the 5 watt and 12 watt chargers. You probably cannot cite anyone (or maybe only one person), who claims they have tons of usb-c chargers lying around..that wouldn't make any sense as the iphone 11 was the first phone to offer one.

What (some) people have drawers full, is lightning usb-a cables and 5 and 12 volt usb-a chargers.

For all we know, Apple could include a lightning usb-a and 5 watt charger brick in the boxes destined for Brazil.

 

[spazzcat]

Y’all have 20-200 USB-C chargers?? Well damn, DM me and I’ll pay for shipping for you to send them over.

There is nothing requiring you to have USBC, I get it you want one, but you don't need it. But I have maybe 5 USBC charging bricks...

 

[spazzcat]

So why did apple not lower the price of the phone instead? If it was just about the environment they should have lowered the price by the cost of the charger.

That way if you need it you can pay for it during the order. It is pretty obvious what the deal is.

Because the price of iPhones would have gone up this year because of Trump's tariffs.

 

[spazzcat]

Even in just these type of discussions (of which there have been quite a few) on just online forums quite a few people have said they have plenty and wouldn't want another one, so even just lookin at a small percentage of the user base that the online forum community represents it seems that it would be quite far from even close to most, let alone everyone, that would actually want to or ultimately bother with requesting one.

You clearly have never seen people go out of their way to use coupons ...

 

[ignatius345]

It's not superflous if I'm USING it to charge my device! Whether it's included in the box or I have to buy it seperately, it's still 1 more charger in the world.

Right, you need a charger because somehow you don't have one. Amazing. I guess this the first time in the past decade you've bought a smartphone or any device that charges with USB. Because otherwise you would most certainly have at least one charger, if not half a dozen -- same as everyone else whose been using smartphones for literally any length of time.

I get that it's a tiny inconvenience to spend somewhere between $5 and $20 on a charger while you're buying that $1000 phone, but the great news is there are thousands of different kinds of chargers for sale. The magic of capitalism means that you will buy just as many as you need instead of the world being flooded with yet more "free" chargers whether they're needed or not.

 

[tennisproha]

What, apparently we have lying around is tons of the 5 watt and 12 watt chargers. You probably cannot cite anyone (or maybe only one person), who claims they have tons of usb-c chargers lying around..that wouldn't make any sense as the iphone 11 was the first phone to offer one.

What (some) people have drawers full, is lightning usb-a cables and 5 and 12 volt usb-a chargers.

For all we know, Apple could include a lightning usb-a and 5 watt charger brick in the boxes destined for Brazil.

There is nothing requiring you to have USBC, I get it you want one, but you don't need it. But I have maybe 5 USBC charging bricks...

Right. So the whole argument you keep making saying no big deal, we have tons of chargers lying around is pretty disingenuous then huh. Like people are rooting for Apple when Apple is screwing them over lol.

In addition to the new iPhones, I have iPad pros so I actually need the USB-C chargers.

Apple is simply hiding behind the environmental excuse so they can increase there profit margins for charging $50 for something that was previously included in the cost.

 

[I7guy]

Right. So the whole argument you keep making saying no big deal, we have tons of chargers lying around is pretty disingenuous then huh. Like people are rooting for Apple when Apple is screwing them over lol.

What you call disingenuous I call close to reality, as anecdotally evidenced by the response from my son after he purchased an iphone 12.

In addition to the new iPhones, I have iPad pros so I actually need the USB-C chargers.

Apple is simply hiding behind the environmental excuse so they can increase there profit margins for charging $50 for something that was previously included in the cost.

I'm sure some people have some extra usb-c chargers, but considering the 10 year history of the usb-a lightning cable, common sense would indicate that with hundreds of millions of iphones sold over this time period, there are a lot to be had on a global scale.

So no, Apple is not hiding behind anything. And Apple kept the price flat of the iphone 12, even though there is tons of new tech in the phone. Partially offset by not including the charger. <---this is an opinion as what the bolded is above is simply a critical opinion, not based on reality.

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

Both your statements appear to be false. Besides the fact that they dropped chargers and earbuds from all iPhones (indeed also all old models they still sell), the price of the SE2 remained exactly $399, which is exactly the same as launch price, when it did include charger and earbuds.

In other words: the fact that the iPhone SE2 remained exactly the same price, but now doesn't have these items anymore, proves the fact even more that it's just Apple's choice for increasing it's profit margins.

In Australia, the SE went from $750 to $680, and the removed EarPods now cost $30 (reduced from $45), and either of the 12W or 20W chargers cost $30, so the new prices end up being $10 cheaper. Interesting that the same thing didn't happen in your country.

 

[Tanax]

Are you seriously trying to convince us that in your entire household there is just ONE usb port that can be used for charging, and that your one and only USB port is on an iPhone charger that you include when you sell each phone?

Uhu.

Yes people do usually include the charger because they already have other chargers. But just like the new chargers in the box, few of those unused chargers will ever see any use.

Yes.

Of course I have USB ports on my iMac, but the iPhone charger is the only USB wall charger I have. Maybe I'm a minority. Just because you have multiple chargers, doesn't mean everyone has it.

 

[Scoob Redux]

Right, you need a charger because somehow you don't have one. Amazing. I guess this the first time in the past decade you've bought a smartphone or any device that charges with USB. Because otherwise you would most certainly have at least one charger, if not half a dozen -- same as everyone else whose been using smartphones for literally any length of time.

I get that it's a tiny inconvenience to spend somewhere between $5 and $20 on a charger while you're buying that $1000 phone, but the great news is there are thousands of different kinds of chargers for sale. The magic of capitalism means that you will buy just as many as you need instead of the world being flooded with yet more "free" chargers whether they're needed or not.

The useful lives of the phones and power bricks/cables are about the same... ~2 years. by the time i need a new phone, I also need a new brick and cable.

 

[Karma*Police]

yet you're a victim to "taxes", classic. 😆

I’ll leave you with 3 facts:

1. I’m not a victim to taxes. We’re ALL victims of *excessive* taxation and government waste. Just research how much more Americans got from their government 50 years ago with far less tax revenue (adjusted for inflation) compared to today. While you’re at it, you should research how JFK and Reagan jump started the economy with big tax cuts.
2. Asking the government to tax and regulate companies more heavily will result in companies cutting more corners, not less, thereby hurting consumers.
3. Being a victim and having a victim mentality are 2 very different things. The latter is apt to do something irrational like point 2 above [granted, this isn’t a fact, but an observation I’ve made from reading comments such as yours 😆].

 

[C DM]

And for the many that have "all the chargers they need" producing and shipping a mandatory charger in the box is unneeded and wasteful. For the many others it's easy to just add a charger at checkout.

So the many who would need a charger would now have to pay more and purchase it separately because some others have plenty of chargers? A rather odd take on it.

 

[C DM]

You clearly have never seen people go out of their way to use coupons ...

You are saying that those who said they wouldn't want one in various posts are basically lying then?

 

[ignatius345]

The useful lives of the phones and power bricks/cables are about the same... ~2 years. by the time i need a new phone, I also need a new brick and cable.

So buy new ones when you need them. My point stands.

 

[C DM]

Right, you need a charger because somehow you don't have one. Amazing. I guess this the first time in the past decade you've bought a smartphone or any device that charges with USB. Because otherwise you would most certainly have at least one charger, if not half a dozen -- same as everyone else whose been using smartphones for literally any length of time.

I get that it's a tiny inconvenience to spend somewhere between $5 and $20 on a charger while you're buying that $1000 phone, but the great news is there are thousands of different kinds of chargers for sale. The magic of capitalism means that you will buy just as many as you need instead of the world being flooded with yet more "free" chargers whether they're needed or not.

The "magic" is that now the consumer gets less in their purchase than before, because someone else decided that should be the case, shifting any of the burden of the decision onto the consumer.

 

[coredev]

So the many who would need a charger would now have to pay more and purchase it separately because some others have plenty of chargers? A rather odd take on it.

It's actually not odd. If you want more than is in the box, you buy it extra and pay extra. That's the normal run of things. Like with headphones, cases, additional cables, stands, all other accessories. I found it unfair from the beginning that I had to pay for headphones in the iPhone box that I never used. And make no mistake, we all paid for them, it wasn't something "free" that Apple added because they are so kind.

 

[I7guy]

The "magic" is that now the consumer gets less in their purchase than before, because someone else decided that should be the case, shifting any of the burden of the decision onto the consumer.

Counting items in the box yes, counting value of the entire purchase, no. The consumer will now have to take an active time in determine how to charge their phone. I only hope those hand-wringing, clueless consumers, who probably have acquired consumer electronics in the past can deal with this. And yes, it’s now on them.

 

[I7guy]

The useful lives of the phones and power bricks/cables are about the same... ~2 years. by the time i need a new phone, I also need a new brick and cable.

Still using the power brick with the iPad 2 and cables from the 5s. Bricks and cables can last far longer than two years.