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Apple Could Be Forced to Include a Charger with Every iPhone Sold in Brazil
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Everyone: St0p hurting mother earth! Listen to the science!
Apple: Ok, please only buy a charger if you can't use your old one. This will be like 450,000 less cars on the road.
Everyone: %#^ you, give me the charger I don't need or put a sticker on the box.
Apple (probably): sigh, adds sticker to box
Apple: Ok, please only buy a charger if you can't use your old one. This will be like 450,000 less cars on the road.
Everyone: %#^ you, give me the charger I don't need or put a sticker on the box.
Apple (probably): sigh, adds sticker to box
Gotta love some of the responses here. "Apple did it for environmental reasons" "You want a charger you'll have to pay for it".
So which was it, environmental or financial?!
Surely if their motive was purely environmental, they'll have no problem footing the cost of a charger, you know, the one they're legally obliged to give out in certain countries.
So which was it, environmental or financial?!
Surely if their motive was purely environmental, they'll have no problem footing the cost of a charger, you know, the one they're legally obliged to give out in certain countries.
Sure they did. You just failed to mention the fact that the Brazilian currency (BRL) lost the most value, compared to any other currency in the world, since the start of the pandemic. Did you expect Apple to just eat up this loss?
Yes it’s expensive, but no it’s not Apple’s fault. The tax rates are among the highest in the world. After all, someone has to pay for the bureaucrat (making way, way, WAY more money than the corresponding private sector position) who intrudes into a voluntary commercial transaction between two parties to dictate that “you, the customer, WILL need a charger” — and, as we all know, will have to pay for that charger somehow, seeing as there’s no such thing as a free lunch.
Some might argue it's both where it's both environmental and financial which is a borderline oxymoron, but Apple is at the core a for-profit business.
Anyone that says they are doing it purely for the environment is trying to stretch out their mental gymnastics purely out of ignorance.
Of course it has to do with the environment. It also has cost savings for Apple (likely) and possible cost savings for consumers (meaning having smaller boxes, no headphones, and no charger might allow Apple to keep the phone cost lower than it otherwise would be to maintain Apple’s margins [whether or not they should maintain those margins is a different discussion]).
My household has owned something like 10 iPhones over the years. We still have all the chargers sitting in boxes or drawers. We just upgraded to 3 iPhone 12 models. There’s no way we need 3 more chargers. We centralize our charging by using multi-device chargers. That’s environmental savings there in not providing us with chargers we won’t use. Also, being able to ship the phones more cheaply uses fewer resources.
I’ll repeat myself again, legally speaking, Apple has no distinction for third party chargers and counterfeit products, all of them are not licensed by Apple therefore not tested by Apple.
Your discussion here seems more in the philosophical field behind this matter. That’s not my goal, I want to discuss the legal part of it.
In the current shape of the warranty terms that Apple has in place, they can deny service if something goes wrong with your iPhone because the official charger is included in the box.
That’s it buddy.
You know how the government fights for the people? By GTFO’ing of voluntary commercial transactions. The “fight for these people” mentality is exactly why everything is so frigging expensive in Brazil. The best government is small government.
It says very clearly in the Danish web shop that not charger or EarPods are included due to environmental concern...
Oh Brazil, again you prove your unwillingness to accept the environmental challenges we face 😔
The decision of not forcing another usb-c power supply with every phone is the right one. If anyone needs yet another power supply, they’re welcome to purchase one. How is this hard to accept?
The decision of not forcing another usb-c power supply with every phone is the right one. If anyone needs yet another power supply, they’re welcome to purchase one. How is this hard to accept?
I’m bothered by the lack of a charging brick, more so for others than myself. My in-laws for instance just switched to the iPhone, luckily they got the SE before Apple removed the power brick. They don’t have USB-C charging bricks and in the case of the new iPhone, the included USB-C to lighting cable would be useless to them. In order for a new iPhone user to charge a new iPhone, it would require at least one extra purchase if they don’t have USB-C bricks. I guess I’m more annoyed that they switched to the USB-C to lightning cable.
Is it weird or ironic that Brazil is trying to force a corporation to use more paper products? 😜
The country’s most valuable resource? Am I just tinfoil hating? 🤣
The country’s most valuable resource? Am I just tinfoil hating? 🤣
actually the number of people who use iPhones and have a USB-C to lightning charger are likely very few. While I am sure most people have a ton of chargers, most of them are USB-A so this was clearly just a cash grab. Now had they included a lightning to USB-A cable in the box I could possibly have seen their point. Of course what would have been best would be to ditch lightning, include a charger and a USB-C to USB-C cable...
I hadn't realized this previously, but you point to additional evidence that Apple's motivation is merely profit/cost-cutting rather than the environment (we already knew this, but extra evidence is always welcome).
Almost nobody has USB-C chargers (unless they're already in the Apple ecosystem). By giving away a USB-C to Lightning cable, you ensure newcomers will need to find some rather specific chargers (don't forget 99% of the world uses regular USB), and Apple will be right there to sell it to them.
Huh? Of course is beneficial for the environment. Why would you need to see evidence if you could just use your brain?
Because that is precisely what the authorities try to prevent. If apple includes a charger and forces customers to pay for it, the situation is even worse than it is now: you can now choose which charger to use and are not forced to pay for apple's one.
Ha ha. Tout the benefits. Sure. But also reduce the cost of the device. Apple’s events er commercials made me laugh when each time they were about to deceptive increase margins they’d tell you about how wonderful it is for the environment.
IMO it’s ridiculous not to add a charger to a device. I’m in the the use case of either handing my device down or selling it. So I don’t have a boneyard of Apple chargers or devices.
And while I’m sure factories of theirs in China are better at waste output than most, don’t tout anything without pulling the cover off their factories and environmental footprint.
IMO it’s ridiculous not to add a charger to a device. I’m in the the use case of either handing my device down or selling it. So I don’t have a boneyard of Apple chargers or devices.
And while I’m sure factories of theirs in China are better at waste output than most, don’t tout anything without pulling the cover off their factories and environmental footprint.