Apple Could Be Forced to Include a Charger with Every iPhone Sold in Brazil

[I7guy]

Brazil isn't aboard with "save the environment?"

 

[YourBoss]

Brazil doesn't give a F about the covid-19, but ... Don't touch my charger.
Here we take care of the rights of our people!

 

[I7guy]

They be be forced to include one in every country. Car dealers don't sell cars without wheels because you have some on your old car. Shoes don't come without shoe laces cause you have older ones. This nonsense about you have old ones is annoying and anyone who defends it, just wants to defend a company for being a fan of their products. I bought a iPhone 12 Pro max but it still should have came with a charger.

I disagree. Chargers are ubiquitous at this point thanks to the popularity of USB. My expensive Bose qc ii didn't come with a charger.

 

[neuropsychguy]

Simple environmentally friendly solution: let the customer choose. You want the iphone with a charger, you pay full price. You don't, pay 20 euros less. Apple's solution: we charge full price to everybody and then 20 euros on top for those who actually want to charge their phones. I don't have any chargers from my previous phones cause I sold them and I included the chargers obviously. Also, if you are upgrading from anything before iphone 11 you are left with a lousy charger that has no power in comparison with current ones.

That's exactly what Apple is doing. When you use their website to order the phone they clearly state only the phone and cable are in the box. On the next screen they show accessories, including a charger, which you can then add to your cart. So if you need the charger, you spend the extra money for it. Including it in the box (or not) would require different sized boxes -- one to include the charger and one to not include it. That introduces extra monetary costs (which Apple could cover) as well as environment costs (which Apple is trying to reduce).

Apple marketing this a purely environmental is ridiculous but they've been very clear a charger is not included in the box. You can use their old chargers. The phone won't charge as quickly but it will charge.

 

[C. Robert]

They be be forced to include one in every country. Car dealers don't sell cars without wheels because you have some on your old car. Shoes don't come without shoe laces cause you have older ones. This nonsense about you have old ones is annoying and anyone who defends it, just wants to defend a company for being a fan of their products. I bought a iPhone 12 Pro max but it still should have came with a charger.

I disagree. Chargers are ubiquitous at this point thanks to the popularity of USB. My expensive Bose qc ii didn't come with a charger.

To you, not everyone has chargers laying around. The argument doesn't make sense at all. Its also a USB-c to lightning. Most people don't have those. All apple did was nudge people to magsafe and to one of their $20 chargers that should have been in the box.

 

[C. Robert]

That's exactly what Apple is doing. When you use their website to order the phone they clearly state only the phone and cable are in the box. On the next screen they show accessories, including a charger, which you can then add to your cart. So if you need the charger, you spend the extra money for it. Including it in the box (or not) would require different sized boxes -- one to include the charger and one to not include it. That introduces extra monetary costs (which Apple could cover) as well as environment costs (which Apple is trying to reduce).

Apple marketing this a purely environmental is ridiculous but they've been very clear a charger is not included in the box. You can use their old chargers. The phone won't charge as quickly but it will charge.

If a group of people decided to sue them, in a year anyone who bought a iPhone 12 would be getting a free charging brick in the mail.

 

[coredev]

Surely if their motive was purely environmental, they'll have no problem footing the cost of a charger, you know, the one they're legally obliged to give out in certain countries.

There are a lot of products out there that are now powered or charged by USB.
Quite a lot of them don't come with a charger, some not even with a cable.

And you know what, that's absolutely ok, it saves cost, avoids useless production and shipment of things a lot of people will likely not need. That is - by the way - exactly the argument Apple makes.

So these "certain countries" have that rule for all of those products, and thus requiring production and shipment of tons of unused stuff to their people, which - let's be honest here - will pay for it?
That's just stupid and wasteful.

 

[coredev]

Brazil isn't aboard with "save the environment?"

If you follow the news, that should not come as a surprise.

 

[bluespark]

A thing many people don't need doesn't strike me as an "essential part."

 

[TonyC28]

The argument is stronger when you consider that the chargers people already have also have a cable attached LOL

Attached? No

 

[NachoGrande]

Good, it was a creepy/greedy move on apples part.

 

[coredev]

Apple's argument that "everyone already has a charger" seems weaker when you consider that the chargers most people already have don't work with the new cable Apple is providing.

But of you have a charger and cable from a previous iPhone, chances are pretty good that the charger and cable combo will work on the new phone.

 

[ShadowJade]

It would have been fine if they hadn't made the move to USB-C. While I realize that it can still use USB-Lightning...they included a USB-C to lightning. I sell me prior iphone in original box with all accessories. So, guess what I don't have a USB-C power adaptor. Even my wall outlets all have USB ports. They needed to be further down USB-C adoption lines to make this a logical move.

 

[Polaroid]

IM a tad annoyed my S6 SS Apple watch only included a USB A for the charging cable lol... Everythign else I own uses USB C (laptop, iPad etc etc) tad annoying but had loads of the old USB cables hanging about, but man I’m not used to them they are so fat haha

 

[Flying Grayson]

Orignially, I understood why Apple took this stance. Sure, most people do have at least one USB charger lying around.

Then I realised that these new iPhones are Lightning to USB-C and I changed my viewpoint. I happen to have a new iPad Air so I do have a single USB-C charger in my home. But I'll still HAVE to buy one more should I upgrade both mine and my wife's iPhones to the new 12.

I'm not overjoyed.

 

[az431]

Apple should be forced to disclose how much they made in chargers sales this year.

Why? It's a given that they will manufacture fewer chargers than last year, and whatever they make off charger sales is equivalent to a rounding error on their balance sheet.

 

[UK-MacAddict]

At the current price points for the Pro models the standard AirPods should be included in the box.

 

[az431]

Orignially, I understood why Apple took this stance. Sure, most people do have at least one USB charger lying around.

Then I realised that these new iPhones are Lightning to USB-C and I changed my viewpoint. I happen to have a new iPad Air so I do have a single USB-C charger in my home. But I'll still HAVE to buy one more should I upgrade both mine and my wife's iPhones to the new 12.

I'm not overjoyed.

There is not iPhone that is Lightning to USB-C only. You can, in fact, use a USB-A cable.

And yes, common sense (something that is often lacking in today's world) tells you that you should buy a USB-A cable if you lack a USB-C charger (instead of buying a new charger).

The reason Apple went with USB-C is that it is evolving as the new standard, and is what is typically included with most new devices. If Apple had included a USB-A cable people would be moaning that Apple is building in planned obsolescense.

 

[tha_man]

Although the main goal behind removing the charger was certainly profit (if not, they would lower the prices of iPhones, which of course didn't happen), I still support the decision. We all have standard adapters at home that can charge all our devices (most of them, except phones, don't come with chargers anyway), so not much point in getting another one, unless this is your first portable device or something like that...

It's just unfortunate that they didn't have the courage to go all the way and also replace lightning connector with standard USB-C, so we could also use any cable. Well, I gues that's also because of profit...

 

[az431]

At the current price points for the Pro models the standard AirPods should be included in the box.

The point of not including earphones or a charger is that most people already have both, not that it's a gold mine to Apple to omit them.

And including AirPods would be insane. How about a free iPad too?

 

[Flying Grayson]

Increase the price $20 and add a configuration option of "remove charger" for -$20.

Is it just me or is this a really sensible solution for most consumer electronics?

"Do you require a charger with your purchase? Y/N"

Obviously that might rely on the general public knowing what wattage and peripheral they'd need for a given product but on the whole that seems sensible enough.

 

[oneMadRssn]

Explaining the key decision here, Procon argued that, if you fry your iPhone with a fake charger or a different brand, Apple will deny service.

if they’re denying service it means that they’ll only cover services under warranty if an Apple charger was in use when your iPhone died. So it means you’ll be forced to buy an Apple charger that’s not included, which is characterized as some sort of tie-in sale, a illegal activity in Brazil.

Not to mention that they’re forced by the consumers law to inform in every piece of marketing material that the iPhone had a reduction in accessories included. I think in this part you can exclude those new models but all the older models had those accessories removed too.

How would Apple know what charger was used? They have no right to that information, and if they deny warranty they have to do it based solely on what they see on the thing they sold - the iPhone only. They certainly cannot deny you service for playing dumb when asked.

Even if the iPhone keeps logs of when it is plugged in and how, any charger that complies with the same USB PD standards that Apple uses would appear as a legitimate charger in the logs.

 

[Tanax]

Everyone: St0p hurting mother earth! Listen to the science!
Apple: Ok, please only buy a charger if you can't use your old one. This will be like 450,000 less cars on the road.
Everyone: %#^ you, give me the charger I don't need or put a sticker on the box.
Apple (probably): sigh, adds sticker to box

Honestly don't understand this argument. What old chargers? The old charger is passed on to the person I'm selling my old iPhone to? I have 0 chargers then? Do most people not include the chargers when selling their iPhones?

 

[az431]

How would Apple know what charger was used? They have no right to that information, and if they deny warranty they have to do it based solely on what they see on the thing they sold - the iPhone only. They certainly cannot deny you service for playing dumb when asked.

Even if the iPhone keeps logs of when it is plugged in and how, any charger that complies with the same USB PD standards that Apple uses would appear as a legitimate charger in the logs.

They wouldn't, but it's obvious if a phone is subjected to overvoltage, which could be caused by other things such as a power surge. Regardless of whether an Apple charger is used, that is not the sort of thing covered by warranty since it is extrinsic to the device itself.

 

[PortoMavericks]

Unless Apple has gotten really fancy with their hardware identification and logging on the device, there's no way they could tell if you used an Apple charger or not when your device was 'fried'.

FWIW in the 20+ years I've been charging devices, I've never experienced a problem using whatever charger happened to be handy or compatible. I couldn't tell you the last time I charged one of the 3 iPhones or 3 iPads in our house (multiple generations of each over the last 10+ years) with an Apple charger.

Apple doesn't even make a charger for the car (to my knowledge) so.... do we not charge our phones in the car to protect our warranty coverage?

Just to inform you, inside every recent Apple charger there’s an ARM chip.

The last Apple USB-C charger features a custom Cypress chip CYPD313.