iPhone 12 Pro 512 GB is $590 (45%) more in Denmark than in the US. 25% is VAT, 12% is taxation. Obviously it’s the same things driving prices up in Brazil...
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Apple Could Be Forced to Include a Charger with Every iPhone Sold in Brazil
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Or maybe they just added features without rasing the price? You know like my 5G iPhone 12 Pro Max that cost the exact same as my XS Max with 4G and one less camera? Oh wait it actually costs less if you factor in inflation but worries about that.
The bottom line is nothing in the box or the box itself is free. I would rather Apple give me $20 extra worth of phone than a useless charger. The cable should go as well.
Simple environmentally friendly solution: let the customer choose. You want the iphone with a charger, you pay full price. You don't, pay 20 euros less. Apple's solution: we charge full price to everybody and then 20 euros on top for those who actually want to charge their phones. I don't have any chargers from my previous phones cause I sold them and I included the chargers obviously. Also, if you are upgrading from anything before iphone 11 you are left with a lousy charger that has no power in comparison with current ones.
For someone who says "use your brain", you sure could use some reading comprehension lessons.
1. "Evidence" refers to "Apple's motivation": did they do this because they genuinely want to help the environment, or because they're cutting costs and increasing profits? Everyone knows it's the latter, and more power to them, but don't try to lie to people, they can see right through it. Let marketing figure out a way to sell this cost-cutting measure as a benefit to the consumer. Something along the lines of "we discovered that 90% (or whatever) of our users already have a charger, so we're giving you the option of buying one or not, and you pay less if you don't".
2. Leaving that aside for a moment, assume everyone would buy new chargers. In that case, it would be worse for the environment, as you would be producing two boxes instead of one. Therefore, there is at least one situation in which it is worse for the environment. Thus, it's not automatically beneficial for the environment as you claim. Therefore, it's up to you to prove that enough people will forego buying a new charger that it is a net win for the environment. But of course, there's no need to prove that, because as mentioned in point 1, the evidence is for Apple's motivation, not for the environmental benefits.
No not everyone. I don't know this
How about we don't assume everyone does this. I didn't
They can absolutely change the price of the iPhone, or any other product. They just can’t keep advertising the old price.
Your 5G pro max cost exactly the same than 11 pro max, that came with a charger, which costed the same as the Xs max that also came with a charger. Technological advances can be included because the overall price of components tends to be reduced. The cameras are slightly better this year, but most of the components are very similar to last years' phones and are cheaper now. Also, the price of the phone will stay the same for one year while the price of the components will drop. Your argument does not make sense
Then you are extremely naive or gullible or both, I am sorry to say.
And a judge can consider that this is a tie-in purchase in disguise because they changed the price when forced to include the charger.
I think all countries should force Apple to include the charger with Apple products to be honest. If I use a third party charger and something happens to my iPhone will Apple replace it free of charge...I don't think so. Not happy with Apple decision to omit chargers.
Have you not seen how much smaller the new boxes are?
How is anyone with an IQ above 0 denying the environmental benefits?
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Or maybe you're just negative and cynical
Regardless of Apple's motivation which neither you or me know what they did will mean less charging bricks bought and manufactured. If Apple did it for evil greed or goodness of their hearts this will help the environment.
You’re kidding, right? Please tell me you’re kidding.
Adding stickers does not increase box size.
Why is this so hard for people to understand? This forum is infuriating.
I think it's because they really don't care about the environment. Many people don't. It's great that companies like Apple take a proactive stance on this. I'm no tree hugger but I also want to do what's best for the environment.
this should have been included in the article, poor report
Agreed and that's the only part of me that thinks maybe Apple should make an exception for Brazil. I'm in the USA and can get quality not Apple brand chargers easily but maybe due to the conditions in Brazil this isn't possible. I honestly don't know what it's like there. Either way Apple will charge them for the charger (no pun intended) so it won't be a tie in sale but just sold together with one price.
From working in product development, it’s probably not that simple. If you look at the new parts of the iPhone such as the Lidar sensor, that particular part is really expensive (not even including all the related parts) and removing the charger is probably closer to a wash in costs.
I always think it’s weird people get mad at companies for making money on products people want. Are you expecting everything to be free?
You're missing the point here: the problem is the lack of clarity on Apple's marketing about a charger not being present. It's not about price. If Apple wants to increase the price to include a charge, it's totally fine.
The problem is that you look at the box and it's not clear there isn't an essential part in it (the charger). People are getting the phones and not being able to use it because no one knows about it. It's completely different for products with batteries because it's usually very prominent in the marketing material, "batteries not included". Whole industries have acted this way, so no one expects batteries included.
Then there's the fact that Apple states, "mostly everyone already has it", which is false for various reasons, but mainly, it's a type-C connector, whereas what everyone "has" is a type-A (I sell my phones with charger included every time, so I don't have spare chargers at home).
The problem is that you look at the box and it's not clear there isn't an essential part in it (the charger). People are getting the phones and not being able to use it because no one knows about it. It's completely different for products with batteries because it's usually very prominent in the marketing material, "batteries not included". Whole industries have acted this way, so no one expects batteries included.
Then there's the fact that Apple states, "mostly everyone already has it", which is false for various reasons, but mainly, it's a type-C connector, whereas what everyone "has" is a type-A (I sell my phones with charger included every time, so I don't have spare chargers at home).
That logic only works if the same model iPhone had the charger, and then they suddenly removed it while keeping the same price.
Don’t understand the handwringing here. When my wife bought me a new iPhone a few months ago. I did not even remove the charger, cable or headphones from the box. Why?..... I already have 2 extra chargers sitting in a drawer and 4 more plugged into various outlets in the house.
Seriously..... if you have been buying iPhones over the years.... don’t you already have several chargers??
Seriously..... if you have been buying iPhones over the years.... don’t you already have several chargers??
They will have to bundle it, but it does not have to be free. They can increase the price 😁
They be be forced to include one in every country. Car dealers don't sell cars without wheels because you have some on your old car. Shoes don't come without shoe laces cause you have older ones. This nonsense about you have old ones is annoying and anyone who defends it, just wants to defend a company for being a fan of their products. I bought a iPhone 12 Pro max but it still should have came with a charger.
Unless Apple has gotten really fancy with their hardware identification and logging on the device, there's no way they could tell if you used an Apple charger or not when your device was 'fried'.
FWIW in the 20+ years I've been charging devices, I've never experienced a problem using whatever charger happened to be handy or compatible. I couldn't tell you the last time I charged one of the 3 iPhones or 3 iPads in our house (multiple generations of each over the last 10+ years) with an Apple charger.
Apple doesn't even make a charger for the car (to my knowledge) so.... do we not charge our phones in the car to protect our warranty coverage?