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Apple Could Soon Face 'Sweeping' U.S. Antitrust Lawsuit

the future said:
The stupidness of all of this boils down to defining Apple‘s ecosystem/platform as a „market“ in which everyone is entitled to compete. The competition ought to be between ecosystems/platforms (in Apple‘s case: Mac vs. Windows/Linux, iOS vs. Android etc.) If Apple was sabotaging other ecosystems/platforms, they should be punished; but they don‘t. And how could they: they don‘t have anything approaching a monopoly in any of the markets they compete in. All those leeches like Spotify, Tile, Epic et al. just want to reap what Apple has sown by building their ecosystem from the ground up for two decades now. So much easier than to build their own, I guess.
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Agreed. Apple is smart enough, they should just introduce a new monetization model... charge large developers $1 million dollars up-front and distribute apps for free, or much lower percentage.

One thing is for sure... Apple won't, and shouldn't, do app support, promoton and distribution for free.
 
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So if I start making fudge, I have to open my store to let other fudges in. And if I do that, I have to provide them tools to make the fudge. And I can’t have my fudge featured, or do anything that makes folks want my fudge the most? Over regulation in the US is willlldddd. Why would anyone want to do business there?
 
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roncron said:
Most people know that the apple ecosystem limits and in some cases prevents use with third party products and services. If people don’t like this, there are other viable options. Nobody is forced to choose the apple ecosystem.
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The issue is having to choose an “ecosystem” in the first place, for such an ubiquitous and critical technical device. It’s like if each car brand had their own roads, gas stations, etc., and you’d have to choose your “car ecosystem”.
 
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Kevin2055 said:
I consider app store is an Apple product and Apple can set whatever rules it wants as long as the rules are written clear in form of a contract between Apple and app developers.
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Then I don’t wanna hear Apple claim. It’s a gaming company when it’s blocking gaming products from its platform. Including cloud gaming, no wonder the gaming industry thinks Mac is s joke still
 
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bayportbob said:
last time I looked... people have a freedom of choice... if they chose to by a chevy rather than a ford or Toyota they can do so... why would you want the government to tell you to buy a Tesla?
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Your vision is impaired. Maybe take a class or two in anti-trust law. You can't do whatever you want and you can't say whatever you want despite using the word "freedom".
 
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"I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help" (Ronald Reagan) I'm so tired of governments thinking they know best. Nothing gets more screwed up than when a bunch of government lawyers and politicians try to fix something. Doesn't the government have better things to do?

It's about choice.....don't like it? Buy something else. Walled garden, I vote yes because that's what I want.

You jailbreak it, and you own all problems when things don't work as expected. Sideloading is a time bomb waiting to go off, no checks and balances.

Mad because ad trackers blocked, prevented, or minimized? Sounds like less spam email to me.

Again, it's about choice. If you don't like it, don't buy into the ecosystem.
 
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tgwaste said:
I agree with this. But none of it should be enabled by default and there should be a few hoops to open the wall to the garden.

P.S. It should void the warranty. You can't say "Let me do whatever I want with my device and install any 3rd party crap program I want" and then at the same time say "And the manufacture should fix it for me if that screws it up".
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tgwaste said:
Yes.
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tgwaste said:
I agree with this. But none of it should be enabled by default and there should be a few hoops to open the wall to the garden.

P.S. It should void the warranty. You can't say "Let me do whatever I want with my device and install any 3rd party crap program I want" and then at the same time say "And the manufacture should fix it for me if that screws it up".
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Yes. But if anything goes wrong the EU, DOJ will start the lawsuit all over again. And the people that complained the most will also.
 
dmylrea said:
You sure missed the point. Of course retailers mark up. The point is Apple makes themselves the ONLY retailer and forces app companies to accept payment from THEIR APP through Apple's Payment system and it'll only cost them 30% to accept the payment! VISA and MC charge 3%. So, focus more on the fact that Apple is a monopoly on payment for in-app purchases (which Apple has nothing to do with nor the App that is running on an iPhone or iPad) than using generalizations because that's not what Apple would be charged in court for.

In other words, Apple shouldn't even be involved with in-app purchases. App developers should be able to use their own gateway and payment systems.
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No. There are many applications that I pay on their web site and not through Apple. (I don't do games except those in the Apple arcade)
 
MrSegundus said:
Good. I’m tired of being locked into Apple because of iMessage and FaceTime. I’d rather use an Android phone with iMessage and FaceTime than use an iPhone because Androids can simply do more with their hardware. I hope Apple loses.
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You're not locked into Apple. Why do you care if you have a green bubble instead of blue? Apple does not have to open up iMessage and FaceTime and the courts won't force it. Perhaps the App Store will have to open up but not iMessage and FaceTime. You might as well go to Android now.
 
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tgwaste said:
It's also important to keep in mind that the LIBERAL WEAPONIZED DOJ is targeting the biggest companies in America specifically to further their own Anti-American agenda. They don't care about you or what you can do with your phone.

P.S. That means Apple has done all of this to themselves. None of this was happening under Trump. You reap what you sow.
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“Liberal weaponized DOJ“ Trump supporters are just the worst. Just because the DOJ holds Trump accountable for insurrection doesn’t mean the DOJ is “weaponized” or “liberal”. FFS, Hunter Biden has been charged and found guilty by the DOJ. 🙄

BTW, that insurrectionst scumbag Trump wants to weaponize the DOJ if he returns to the Presidency by prosecuting the media for exercising their 1A rights and his political ”enemies” for disagreeing with him and holding him accountable for his actions, so…
 
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indychris said:
I hope the lawsuit happens and I hope that Apple fights. This is big enough that it will go to the SCOTUS where it will almost certainly be shot down. This is one of the most competitive arenas in retail right now. Competition doesn’t mean that there has to be uniformity. Many of us choose Apple precisely BECAUSE their ecosphere is locked down and works differently than Samsung/droid/whoeverelseisoutthere…

All these socialists can go pound sand. Heck I hope someone comes along soon who does things better than Apple so that it sends Tim Cook to the curb with his billions of dollars.

All this move by the DOJ does is attempt to force Critical Theory into the retain marketplace.
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This is beyond the purview of the Supreme Court. 🙄
 
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hagar said:
It’s weird how so many Americans are crying wolf when their (or any) government wants to address issues that are consumer unfriendly.

This whole obsession with ‘small government’ is getting out of control. Without decent legislation, controls and checkpoints you end up with monopolies exploiting workers, consumers and the environment.

I have Apple stock so this is bad for me, but if it levels the playing field and free market, I’m all for it.
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How App Tracking Transparency impacted the collection of advertising data.

The problem is our country is doing the opposite because US Gov makes money staying consumer unfriendly.

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coolfactor said:
Security has been a core aspect of iOS from day one. With all apps passing through Apple's vetting process, consumers can be assured of safety. Once you open that market up to any distributor, you can be certain that many (most?) won't invest the effort to scan and certify apps as "safe" for users. They will only be in it for the money.

How do you see it working? If you could get App "X" (that's ironic now) from 5 different sources, how would you decide which ones can be trusted?
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I spoke about in-app purchases and you speak of apps and vetting and security. Two different things completely.

Secure payment through Apple Pay is certainly available to any retailer with an app without paying 30% extra, yet for non-tangible things, Apple forces a 30% payment fee. Has nothing to do with security.
 
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