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I consider app store is an Apple product and Apple can set whatever rules it wants as long as the rules are written clear in form of a contract between Apple and app developers.
Apple charges 15-30% for in-app purchases. VISA and MC charge 3% merchant fee for a purchase. Guess who pays the extra 12-27%? The consumer in the way of higher subscription costs and higher in-app purchase prices.
 
You sure missed the point. Of course retailers mark up. The point is Apple makes themselves the ONLY retailer and forces app companies to accept payment from THEIR APP through Apple's Payment system and it'll only cost them 30% to accept the payment! VISA and MC charge 3%. So, focus more on the fact that Apple is a monopoly on payment for in-app purchases (which Apple has nothing to do with nor the App that is running on an iPhone or iPad) than using generalizations because that's not what Apple would be charged in court for.

No I didn't.

I bought into the Apple "walled garden" with open eyes and on purpose. I appreciate a one stop shop for researching apps, paying for apps/subs, updating apps and customer service. As a consumer I value all of these things and am perfectly willing to pay for this one of a kind ecosystem. Hence I, believe the 30% Apple collects for these services is appropriate, app stores cost money to operate.

  • I have no interest in what alt stores will bring, which is a fragmentation of the store experience, just like on the Mac/PC side. I don't want to visit every single manufacturers individual web site to research their app x10 that I can find on a web search, I want 1 stop shopping, that's what I paid for.
  • I don't want to trust the bargain basement payment processors that indie devs might choose to save a couple of bucks.
  • I have no interest in having to create login accounts for untold numbers of app stores. Rest assured this will occur as the likes of Epic, Amazon, Meta, Steam, Microsoft, etc. will open their own stores and pay devs for exclusive distribution.
So no, I didn't miss any point. I simply don't find anything wrong with the status quo except as noted.
 
Does the Google Pixel Phone require a Gmail account ID/email address to work / use most basic features?
 
So if I start making fudge, I have to open my store to let other fudges in. And if I do that, I have to provide them tools to make the fudge. And I can’t have my fudge featured, or do anything that makes folks want my fudge the most? Over regulation in the US is willlldddd. Why would anyone want to do business there?

Does your fudge store control half the U.S. market? Does your fudge store have the ability to lock in consumers?
 
Good. I’m tired of being locked into Apple because of iMessage and FaceTime. I’d rather use an Android phone with iMessage and FaceTime than use an iPhone because Androids can simply do more with their hardware. I hope Apple loses.
I don’t think I would switch completely, but I would definitely become a part-time Android guy.
 
They literally have a monopoly in the US because of iMessage and FaceTime.

There is one power company in my town. That is a monopoly.

There is one cable company in my town. That is a monopoly.

However on my iPhone I can have dozens of messaging apps.

Yeah if Apple didn't let anyone else build messaging apps and forced people to only use iMessage and FaceTime... I'd see your point.

But they don't.

:p
 
It’s weird how so many Americans are crying wolf when their (or any) government wants to address issues that are consumer unfriendly.

This whole obsession with ‘small government’ is getting out of control. Without decent legislation, controls and checkpoints you end up with monopolies exploiting workers, consumers and the environment.

I have Apple stock so this is bad for me, but if it levels the playing field and free market, I’m all for it.
This is absolutely correct. All these Apple fans don’t realize what they’re wishing for when they think Apple should monopolize everything. They are beyond a mega corporation that completely blocks competition, robs IP, steals from App developers, and Tim Cook should be found guilty of treason for taking money from China to boost China.

Capitalism can be great, and at the same time AAPL is so big and so anti-competitive that it’s just not fair to any small or large company trying to compete. It doesn’t mean that Apple shouldn’t make money off its technologies. The problem is Apple acts like a bully. I really hope the Mosimo company wins and blocks Apple from stealing their IP and employees to steal their inner workings. I like the CEO stating he was willing to spend $100m on legal fees to stop the thieving of their teach. Sounds a lot like Steve when Google swapped Android from stealing BlackBerry to stealing iOS.

As positions change, a company needs to do better for society. They need to not ship high tech production overseas to the enemy of capitalism and democracy to China a dictatorship at best. When Tim personally gets $700m to do it to me it’s treason.

Tim has done everything he can to inflate the stock price for himself and the top 1% of stakeholders who are executives and the extremely wealthy who own so much of the stock. Tim hasn’t put the future of AAPL into a bright spot. Instead of building out a great future and bringing along a company full of well compensated millionaires who all got their due, AAPL is built so just a few at the top make all the money along with the shareholders which has been Tim’s plan all along to get the annual $100m stock grant.

I think AAPL will be better as Mac, iPhone, iPad, Accessories, and Service provider companies. At least five companies.

And people who think that AAPL hasn’t changed positions should think how Tim just a few years ago complained about Qualcomm owning the patents for 4G/5G and not allowing FRAND pricing as they were communication standards. Those standards happen over time and iMessage has become a standard.

As consumers we would all be better off having many companies competed not one company dominate, bully, and steal from the rest while eliminating competition.
 
The DoJ could be ready to file a "sweeping" antitrust case in the first half of 2024, with the agency considering how Apple's control over hardware and software locks consumers into the Apple ecosystem and makes it difficult for rivals to compete.
Per a comment on the Verge:

"If Apple were forced to interop the iPhone with watches from competitors but those competitors weren’t forced to do the same in reverse, I don’t think a legal challenge would be hard to win"

Regarding iMessage that some politicians made a stink about recently.

"Cross-platform messaging is one of the most competitive markets in existence"
 
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Good. I’m tired of being locked into Apple because of iMessage and FaceTime. I’d rather use an Android phone with iMessage and FaceTime than use an iPhone because Androids can simply do more with their hardware. I hope Apple loses.
So you like Apple stuff better, but think the grass is green over there ->
 
The argument is fundamentally wrong because neither Ford nor Chevrolet control 60% of the passenger vehicle market share in the U.S.

Many posts in this thread go into the weeds with weak arguments. Given Apple controls 60%, it’s a major concern in terms of restraining competition in obvious ways.
I don't understand this argument because iPhones are really competing with the high end samsung phones
 
All extremely good points. Why do my AirPods always play at the right volume when I connect them to an Apple device, but when I connect my Sony headphones, I always have to disconnect and reconnect in order to get volume adjustments to work correctly? Why did Apple get rid of the headphone jack at the exact moment they began pushing expensive, high-profit wireless headphones that integrate deeply with the OS in ways that their competitors can't do?

As a consumer I want more choice, not less.
 
Apple should not have to be forced to share with its competitors. It is just the government demonstrating its power. They want to control everything and yet they are the worst when it comes to performance.
 
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This sounds like pure BS. As consumers, we are the people facing the negative consequences of this type of legal threats. This is why we get products designed by lawyers nowadays.
 
You're not locked into Apple. Why do you care if you have a green bubble instead of blue? Apple does not have to open up iMessage and FaceTime and the courts won't force it. Perhaps the App Store will have to open up but not iMessage and FaceTime. You might as well go to Android now.
Societal pressure. There’s a reason everyone and your friend uses Apple products and it has everything to do with FaceTime and iMessage. That’s forced use of a product.
 
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