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Aren’t most people in the Apple ecosystem BECAUSE of these things? I know I am. It seems if you want those other devices or interactions, get something other than an ”i” product. As for me, I like all my items to work well together, and keep out as much garbage as possible.
 
This sounds like pure BS. As consumers, we are the people facing the negative consequences of this type of legal threats. This is why we get products designed by lawyers nowadays.
This is literally protecting consumers and actually giving them choice. If they did nothing, we wouldn’t have any choices and Apple would rule everything.

Effin Christ.
 
This is absolutely correct. All these Apple fans don’t realize what they’re wishing for when they think Apple should monopolize everything. They are beyond a mega corporation that completely blocks competition, robs IP, steals from App developers, and Tim Cook should be found guilty of treason for taking money from China to boost China.

Capitalism can be great, and at the same time AAPL is so big and so anti-competitive that it’s just not fair to any small or large company trying to compete. It doesn’t mean that Apple shouldn’t make money off its technologies. The problem is Apple acts like a bully. I really hope the Mosimo company wins and blocks Apple from stealing their IP and employees to steal their inner workings. I like the CEO stating he was willing to spend $100m on legal fees to stop the thieving of their teach. Sounds a lot like Steve when Google swapped Android from stealing BlackBerry to stealing iOS.

As positions change, a company needs to do better for society. They need to not ship high tech production overseas to the enemy of capitalism and democracy to China a dictatorship at best. When Tim personally gets $700m to do it to me it’s treason.

Tim has done everything he can to inflate the stock price for himself and the top 1% of stakeholders who are executives and the extremely wealthy who own so much of the stock. Tim hasn’t put the future of AAPL into a bright spot. Instead of building out a great future and bringing along a company full of well compensated millionaires who all got their due, AAPL is built so just a few at the top make all the money along with the shareholders which has been Tim’s plan all along to get the annual $100m stock grant.

I think AAPL will be better as Mac, iPhone, iPad, Accessories, and Service provider companies. At least five companies.

And people who think that AAPL hasn’t changed positions should think how Tim just a few years ago complained about Qualcomm owning the patents for 4G/5G and not allowing FRAND pricing as they were communication standards. Those standards happen over time and iMessage has become a standard.

As consumers we would all be better off having many companies competed not one company dominate, bully, and steal from the rest while eliminating competition.
This is the only response in this entire thread that is both correct and that matters. Everything else is just noise.
 
This is ludicrous. They have two products working together iPhone and Apple Watch. Why would they be penalized for not having their watch connect to a competitor?? This doesn't make sense, we (should) have a free enterprise!
 
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Increasingly I think that forcing Apple to open up the platform is a good thing. People who wish to remain in a walled garden will notice little difference, but it’ll allow so much more freedom for those who want it and with that will come some innovation. Seems like it could happen, fingers crossed.

For example one thing I really wanna be able to do on my phone is download mp3s I buy on Bandcamp and add them to my collection in Music. Why can I do that on my Mac but not my iPhone or iPad? There is no good reason whatsoever, in fact it’s kinda preposterous that we just accept such a huge limitation.
 
For example one thing I really wanna be able to do on my phone is download mp3s I buy on Bandcamp and add them to my collection in Music. Why can I do that on my Mac but not my iPhone or iPad? There is no good reason whatsoever, in fact it’s kinda preposterous that we just accept such a huge limitation.
Thats a good example to show that not every product Apple sells is locking consumers into some ecosystem. Mac owners don't need to buy software only from the App Store, they can readily use the web for that.

This whole activity is once again centered on iPhone centric ecosystem.
 
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Apple charges 15-30% for in-app purchases. VISA and MC charge 3% merchant fee for a purchase. Guess who pays the extra 12-27%? The consumer in the way of higher subscription costs and higher in-app purchase prices.
Standard market charges. Ask Epic what they charge. So it's ok to use my Walmart credit card at Target?
 
This is the most important part. Immediately after filing, they’d have to start work against Sony and every other company that makes proprietary products. Which is why I don’t think it’s coming. They’re working, to be sure, but it’s a fine line to file anything that doesn’t put a target on the back of almost every other company that makes anything proprietary (including Tile).

The main reason why nothing has come forward in the US up to this point is that the adults eventually enter the room, realize how far reaching such a filing would be, and kill the effort.

The anti-trust investigation, which is necessary, is looking into what actions Apple has taken, either public or clandestinely, to force Apple’s hardware to have the sales it does. For example, illegal deals for software to be available exclusively on Apple platforms, purchasing competing handset makers then shuttering them, cutting deals with carriers so that they only carry the iPhone, etc.
Regulation from the USJD is never about any one company. They exist to regulate the market. That means you only go after the big violators or the easiest wins or both. If they were to win this against Apple, it would put the fear of god in every other tech company. We would see less mergers, acquisitions, proprietary solutions and less lock-in overall until things cooled off in a few years. I don't think anyone, including USDJ wants to litigate every company in existence. They just want self-regulated capitalism which can get out of hand and needs an occasional kick to keep it in line.
 
Whatever the DOJ decides to take to court, they've got a high bar to clear in terms of making a convincing antitrust argument. The EU went with the legislative approach to avoid having to convince anyone with a court case. And Apple has been very successful in court so far.
 
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Apple charges 15-30% for in-app purchases. VISA and MC charge 3% merchant fee for a purchase. Guess who pays the extra 12-27%? The consumer in the way of higher subscription costs and higher in-app purchase prices.
Every company (big or small) wants as much profit as the market will bear. If Apple acquiesced a little, that difference would immediately go right back to the developers. There is never a win in capitalism for the consumer unless more competition is introduced. And the App Store has introduced more competition among developers than just about any single technology in history.
 
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So if I start making fudge, I have to open my store to let other fudges in. And if I do that, I have to provide them tools to make the fudge. And I can’t have my fudge featured, or do anything that makes folks want my fudge the most? Over regulation in the US is willlldddd. Why would anyone want to do business there?
Except Apple only makes a handful of fudge. They own all the fudge stores (the only means of distributing fudge), and every other fudge maker needs their permission to sell fudge in them. Apple make up the rules about who can sell what fudge and why. Apple can remove someone’s fudge from sale at any time if they are displeased. Also if someone starts selling a new kind of fudge and it becomes really popular Apple can make their own version of that fudge and give it away for free as a means of attracting sales of its other fudge.
 
The fact that Spotify doesn’t work as a first first-class music provider in Siri and other Apple devices like the HomePod is probably the most egregious issue here for me.

This is a clear example of Apple abusing its dominant position in hardware to give its own music service an advantage over competitors.

(Spotify works great on Google and Amazon devices, of course)
 
Increasingly I think that forcing Apple to open up the platform is a good thing. People who wish to remain in a walled garden will notice little difference, but it’ll allow so much more freedom for those who want it and with that will come some innovation.
It's exactly the opposite though. The App Store leveled the playing field for developers both large and small. Everyone got the same deal. Microsoft couldn't get better terms for their apps than the developers of a fart app. Note that Epic's original complaint per the App Store is that Apple refused to give them a special deal relative to other game developers.

So forcing iOS to become like macOS isn't providing freedom or innovation. It's the big guys wanting it to be easier to dominate on iOS.
 
The fact that Spotify doesn’t work as a first first-class music provider in Siri and other Apple devices like the HomePod is probably the most egregious issue here for me.
On the other hand, Spotify is notorious for saying that they were going to support Airplay 2 and then not doing it.

 
I feel like that’s not Apple’s fault. No one HAS to use those programs. If they cave to societal pressure, isn’t that kind of their own problem?
No. Because people in the US are whiny entitled jerks who whine if people are on green bubbles and “screw up” group chats because they chose to use an Android. If Apple wasn’t afraid of choice and had confidence in their products, theyd have imessage and FaceTime available for every platform.
 
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