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iPod touch Apple Cripples iPod Touch Calendar

Evangelion said:
You keep using those words... I don't think they mean quite what you think they mean...
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the problem with some people's thinking is

when they consider the whole situation, they put apple's profit above end-users' benefit. and Thats NOT good!

I know exactly what I was saying.

Each words represent exactly what they mean.

Freedom, users should be able to enjoy the variety native 3rd party apps with a OS as big as windows 98, rather than restricted in 3 or 5 apps.

Evolution, everything is improving forward, rather than give users mixed options. even when iPod Touch has the potential to be top of the line, all in one, apple made it to a situation that users have to pick both Touch and another iPod to meet their needs

Technology, every technology is invented to serve users so they can finish their task, enjoy their life more easily, while Apple, restricted OS to a degree that it only can do 4 or 5 things.

User experiences. Why users can not enjoy their device to its full potential?

Monopoly, by marketing it as an iPod, Apple is using the existing market of iPod users, is that a smart marketing strategy? yes, but so what? once you ask yourself, what is the definition of an iPod? its then obvious iPod Touch is more of a weak PDA than a normal iPod. apple is using its dominate in music player market to push a PDA.

PS, I wouldn't rant for other people's benefit, I rant because I might want to get one... and I want my device to act to its potential rather than only being a browsing machine....
 
I can see everyones disappointment, but remember its just an Ipod, not a phone or PDA. Apple needs to get its head on straight and make sure their adverts reflect the product they are pre selling. To me all the added features to the Ipod were just that. Added to a Mp3 player than was never there. I dont think these features will blend like everyone wishes. Apple has another product for that called the Iphone PDA. Consider yourself lucky we have safari and a calender to reference.
 
No one seems to question that a phone should also have a camera, PDA and music playing capabilities, but heaven forbid that a music player should also have a usable calendar.

So much for convergence, eh?

This so goes against the expectation of what an Apple product should be; this "wonder of the world" - it has a calendar and a fully qwerty keyboard, but they don't work together.
 
DCBass said:
You should really read the posts, it's not even two pages worth yet, and you might better understand what the two major points are:

1) False Advertising.

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2) Why the F Not!?

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Guess what, some people here work and don't have time to parse every syllable posted. BTW, I just made another major point, bringing it to 3.

DCBass said:
In other words, Crees, this is indeed not what I would call "smart marketing". Not in the least. And I see no reason in buying a product where I would rely on hackers to do something Apple should have done from the start. Send a message people.
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Actually, it's keeping their products consistent. The iPod is an iPod, not a PDA.
 
crees! said:
Actually, it's keeping their products consistent. The iPod is an iPod, not a PDA.
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Where is the consistency in allowing contacts to be editable but not events? And if it is just an iPod why are contacts even on there?
 
Loge said:
Where is the consistency in allowing contacts to be editable but not events? And if it is just an iPod why are contacts even on there?
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Agreed. They are consciously providing a half-assed implementation of these features when there's no real excuse to.

It made/makes sense on the earlier iPods. Who wants to write with a touch-wheel? It makes NO sense here, with a perfectly good QWERTY keyboard available and waiting to be used.
 
crees! said:
Actually, it's keeping their products consistent. The iPod is an iPod, not a PDA.
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So why's Safari not crippled to access just the iTunes store or Youtube if it's just an iPod?

That it isn't, means you can access every online email or app, including Google Mail, Calendar, Notebook, Picasa, Translate, Docs and Spreadsheets - which makes it a near-complete wifi PDA. But all done through Safari, so it only works if you're online. So crippling iCal, Notes, etc serves no purpose but to drive Apple iPod Touch users to non-Apple suppliers online such as Google for their PDA apps.

Can you do that with any of the other three lesser iPods? So it's not 'just an iPod' as many keep repeating. It's an iPhone, without the phone, which makes it a PDA. A cool one you can also play music and videos and show photos on it too if you want.
 
To all who say... iPod touch is an iPod...

crees! said:
Guess what, some people here work and don't have time to parse every syllable posted. BTW, I just made another major point, bringing it to 3.



Actually, it's keeping their products consistent. The iPod is an iPod, not a PDA.
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You have a legitimate argument here... and I understand that full well. The iPod touch is an iPod, absolutely. But why in the world would you still be able to add contacts (according to the features page you can still do!) and not add to the calendar?

The second argument I have is a simple one, the ability to do such was there in the first place! It is false advertising and people ordered these units under that pretense! The iPod touch is an iPod, but it was advertised to do other things that traditional iPods couldn't and that is ADD!

They took that away and honestly, that is not right. I know that this is my first post on this site, but I have been lurking for a long time. This situation just upsets me and I didn't even place an order. I can only feel for those of you who have... Paying for something you won't get is NOT cool!
 
the main point isn't the question is the ipod touch a pda or not.
People are forgetting the fact that only last week/ a few freaking days ago, Apple was happyily promoting being able to edit calender and contacts (one of their main selling points)
Then within a days of preorders the line about being able to edit the calendar/contacts on the ipod touch was very recently removed.
Bad Apple!! you should take preorders for Finished products, not in public reduce the function of an "Expected" feature.

Its the same as if i was selling u a flying car.. then a few day later, once i got u'r credit infomation; oh sorry it doesnt fly. You'll be pissed off too!
 
ksolano said:
the main point isn't the question is the ipod touch a pda or not.
People are forgetting the fact that only last week/ a few freaking days ago, Apple was happyily promoting being able to edit calender and contacts (one of their main selling points)
Then within a days of preorders the line about being able to edit the calendar/contacts on the ipod touch was very recently removed.
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Good point. Apologies for getting off the issue. I'm getting caught up in the sidetrack of those who keep saying Apple's behaviour is okay because it's 'just an iPod' so new features shouldn't be expected anyway.
 
awmazz said:
Good point. Apologies for getting off the issue. I'm getting caught up in the sidetrack of those who keep saying Apple's behaviour is okay because it's 'just an iPod' so new features shouldn't be expected anyway.
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I may well be banging on about it being just an iPod, that doesn't mean i wouldn't love to see it do more stuff, im just trying to put across what i think must be apple's current thinking.

As the iPhone is now very clearly showing, this excellent little device that apple has come up with has very few limitations as to what it could run, and i would hate to be in apple's position where they have to decide what it can and cannot do.
 
Apple certainly are crippling the Touch. Any more functionality removal and it wwn't be much different from the Classic, apart from the Safari component ( and WiFi stuff )
 
Wow...without it being able to add calender events...it's ruined. Despite the fact that it's an iPod that plays music and videos on a 3.5" touchscreen display...it's ruined cause it can't add calender events...It's the end of the world.

Get over it. It's an iPod, not an iCalender.
 
clevin said:
the problem with some people's thinking is

when they consider the whole situation, they put apple's profit above end-users' benefit. and Thats NOT good!
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Are you saying that we are worse off if Apple is proftable?

I know exactly what I was saying.
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I don't think so

Each words represent exactly what they mean.

Freedom, users should be able to enjoy the variety native 3rd party apps with a OS as big as windows 98, rather than restricted in 3 or 5 apps.
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So, you feel that you are entitled to third-party apps? Well, you are not. I don't complain when I can't install third-party apps to my DVD-plaer, why should I complain when I can't do that to my iPod? If I wanted something that worked well with third-party apps, I would look elsewhere. You could do so as well, there ARE other products in the market besides iPods.

Evolution, everything is improving forward, rather than give users mixed options. even when iPod Touch has the potential to be top of the line, all in one, apple made it to a situation that users have to pick both Touch and another iPod to meet their needs
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How so? I don't need several iPods to suit my needs. If you or someone feels that he needs more than one iPod, that's because of _your_ choices and priorities, and not because something Apple did or did not do. Or are you saying that Apple should be offering just one model of iPod: one that is as small and lightweights as Shuffle, comes with a clip like Shuffle does, has screen as big as Touch and as much storage as 160GB Classic? That way you would only need one iPod for all possible needs. Is that what you are demanding here?

And like it or not, touch is a huge step forward when compared to every other iPod.

Technology, every technology is invented to serve users so they can finish their task, enjoy their life more easily, while Apple, restricted OS to a degree that it only can do 4 or 5 things.
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So, should I now be complaining because touch does not help me accomplish my task of editing RAW-pictures?

User experiences. Why users can not enjoy their device to its full potential?
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Because Apple wants to separate their product better.

Monopoly, by marketing it as an iPod, Apple is using the existing market of iPod users, is that a smart marketing strategy? yes, but so what? once you ask yourself, what is the definition of an iPod? its then obvious iPod Touch is more of a weak PDA than a normal iPod. apple is using its dominate in music player market to push a PDA.
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Since Apple is not a monopoly, I fail to see the point of this particular argument.

PS, I wouldn't rant for other people's benefit, I rant because I might want to get one... and I want my device to act to its potential rather than only being a browsing machine....
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And what exactly is the "potential"? You do realize that the computer you used to type your message is nowhere near using it's full potential. Why aren't you whining about that?
 
Why?? They used the old bait and switch on us. I dont use it so I dont care, but they better not do the same to cooler features.
 
Malcster said:
I may well be banging on about it being just an iPod, that doesn't mean i wouldn't love to see it do more stuff, im just trying to put across what i think must be apple's current thinking.

As the iPhone is now very clearly showing, this excellent little device that apple has come up with has very few limitations as to what it could run, and i would hate to be in apple's position where they have to decide what it can and cannot do.
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Well, it looks like it may very well soon do more stuff and there'll be tons of apps for the iPhone/Touch if this post in the other thread is any indication.

The gist of it is that there appears to be evidence in the current developer releases of Leopard of a possible upcoming SDK for the iPhone/Touch.
 
Malcster said:
The essentials of a PDA are maintaining a contacts list (which the touch lets you do) and a calendar, along with the people asking for a To Do list it becomes a PDA.

To Apples credit or detriment they have a drawn a line between the functionality of the iphone and the ipod, you have to decide whether it fits your needs or not.
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You know what? If you can't enter data, what the hell good is TOUCH anyway? I can touch a regular iPod calendar too and get the same result. No entry. I can also touch the click wheel on a regular ipod and get BETTER functionality than touching the onscreen controls for ff rew and volume on a touch or iphone. The truth is, without the pda and phone capabilities of the iphone, the iphone is a much harder, 2 handed at times, interface than the click wheel is. Volume is on the bottom, ff at the top, back to menu button upper left, etc. The buttons are all over the place. PLUS you literally have to look at the screen to find them since there's no actual audible or physical feedback. Without the data entry, it's better called an ipod widescreen.
 
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