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As someone whop just bought one, I agree with you. I really considered waiting for 2.0 but for me the ability to have an extra large virtual display while using my MacBook Pro is what sealed the deal for me. I think 800k units worldwide is realistic. I believe there are enough of us who are developers or fanboys and just want to try this out.
I have the quest 3 and there are some great developers behind apps like immersed, virtual desktop for multi screen viewing in the headset etc and having tried them, its excellent for my needs. With the quest 3 being updated frequently, (like watching 8k VR youtube clips now), i tend to use it more for productivity plus lots of games on sale etc plus xbox. Hoping to demo the AVP when it comes to Canada just to compare but yea, the price is going to be the issue esp in other territories and seeing the response from the US launch and adoption, it might not take off like apple might want.
 
800K? Who was saying 800K? It was always 400K from the past articles.
It was 1M at one point, and they had to cut it down due to production difficulties:
“Both projections imply a significant cut to production from an earlier, internal sales target of 1mn units in the first 12 months.”

The currently reported cuts don’t seem to be related to manufacturing issues.
 
How is this news? The lower figure of ~400,000 has been “known“ for a while now.

Edit: It is a very strange thing to disagree with a literal fact. For weeks, if not months, articles on this site and others have reported the revised ~400,000 sales figure. I’ve spoken to friends about this figure. But yeah…
 
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Look, first, I don't buy this rumor. Again, I knew I was shooting higher than was being spoken of in the rumors at the time. The reason I said "if they can produce them" was because we all knew at that time that the number was 400K.

So, if I don't believe this rumor, and I don't, I don't believe the rumor has a good grasp on the expectations of Apple. I am still bullish on the AVP. But I also recognize that the rumor has always been that Apple would be constrained.
So you say rumors at the time were 400k and you decide actually the number will be more like 750k. That really doesn’t make your predictive capabilities appear in any better of a light.
 
this was obvious. most of the sales were people buying it to unbox and review on social media. those all got returned.
Completely false and non sensical. Provide proof of your statement!!
nobody wants to pay $3500 to wear a brick on their face. not to mention the hilarious wired battery attached to your belt like you're a diabetic.
"No One"????? Beyond gibberish. Diabetic?

make it $1749 and identical to a pair of designer sunglasses and it will take off.
There you go. Problem solved!
 
I am so excited about AVP and do believe it’s the future yet I also completely understand this.

When this is clocking in at the price of a MBA or M3 MPB for a regular version and the pro version is around the price of the 14 to 16 inch MacBook Pro with pro silicon, I think it will do much better
 
Apple has released sufficient devices so far to know that the apps make the device, and a user base makes developers make the apps. I don't think they see its current state as a flop when they priced it so high.

It hasn't even launched internationally yet
 
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Trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist and priced it ridiculously high. Certainly seems like impressive technology, but we don't need that. Cut the price in half and maybe more people would bite. I have a PSVR2 for my PS5, it's really cool, but I don't like using it for more than an hour at a time and like everyone else, the novelty of it has worn off. So now it's just an annoying step to add for when I just want to relax and play a few games.
 
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Those lack the necessary precision both spatially and in the time domain for satisfying gaming.
not really.

I mean, I'm not going to give away my ideas, but there's some good, fast paced game mechanics in certain popular (now kinda dead) FPS/RTS games that would be absolutely perfect with eye tracking and hands
 
Until the consumer AR experience is akin to wearing "normal" glasses, it will always be a relatively small, niche category. The US demand for AVP is probably already saturated or close to it.
 
Do Apple still not realise that not all of their customers are billionaires.
They were counting on current iPhone users to buy it, aka "sheep". I saw so many arm chair analysts saying if only 1% of iOS users bought it, it would be a success. It doesn't need a killer app because of the ecosystem. But people failed to realize is the best they could have done was 1% of current iOS devs.
 
$1500 by Christmas? (aka The Holidays) Still too much, but, ya know.
Does cutting the price in half suddenly make up for the fact that it's wildly uncomfortable to wear and use for more than a few minutes at a time? Or the fact that its tethered to the wall? Or that it's entirely world-isolating? Or that it has no real passthrough but instead video passthrough with latency? Or that it runs baby iPad apps?

I don't think the price is really the problem. It's the fact that it's a bad product.
 
They were counting on current iPhone users to buy it, aka "sheep". I saw so many arm chair analysts saying if only 1% of iOS users bought it, it would be a success. It doesn't need a killer app because of the ecosystem.
It was entirely a Tim Cook gambit that aimed to capitalize on all the good faith and loyalty Apple has built for the last 20 years. It failed.
 
Until the consumer AR experience is akin to wearing "normal" glasses, it will always be a relatively small, niche category. The US demand for AVP is probably already saturated or close to it.
It must work w/o glasses. The failure of 3D TVs showed that.
 
This is hard to believe. Why would Apple have expected to sell 800k units. It doesn’t solve anything, there’s no killer app, it’s uncomfortable and too expensive.

Apple must know this is a glorified dev unit and work hard on 2.0.
A literal killer app could be an experience that plays out during assisted suicide sessions in countries where it is legal?
 
Do Apple still not realise that not all of their customers are billionaires.

This seems to be the problem with everyone that's running everything these days. Whether it's politicians or businesspeople. The people with means seem to forget that the majority of us are scraping by. CC debt is at an all time high, and inflation is killing everyone who works for a living.
 
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