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I don't care if they read this forums or not, if everyone just kept quiet they would give even less **** that they already do.

Oh they read MacRumors alright. I asked a good, long time friend, who started working at Apple as a developer recently about this, and his words were: "everybody here reads MacRumors".
He also said that "they are aware" about the significant increase in dissatisfaction in Apple's professional/power user products over the last few years and "to be patient".

Make of that what you will, but I am emboldened by this and will not sit idly by and be quiet because it might annoy the resident fanboys. I love the Mac and will be damned to let them turn a once reliable, powerful tool for production professionals and power users further and further into a web browsing accessory for hipsters and CEOs just for the sake of thinness.
 
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Not upgrading until the ****** touch-bar is removed
Here! here! I have never had such an invention make me lose so much work (by accidentally brushing against the escape area on the bar). I complained to Apple. They said that the bar is working as designed. I responded with, and the design is not working.
 
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Also, how are they still selling the 2017 era nTB MBP currently?
I Might need to buy that before they stop offering it. I’m kicking myself for not picking up the 15 inch last gen from their website, now they are rare as new and going for 3k on eBay.
 
Well that is the epitome of a Fanboy reply

No, it could be the epitome of someone who believes in taking responsibility for their choices and making decisions that best suit one's needs, though. I get it. Its much easier to whine on an Internet forum than taking action.
 
Am I wrong in thinking this spec bump was done largely bc of the continued KB failures? It must be pricey for them to eat the cost of repair so damn often. Might as well have everyone in market now for a new MBP buying one that's less likely to **** itself. On top of that if this new iteration of the BFKB is an actual fix, there's a good stream of PR that will come their way as the year progresses.
 
Feedback is not a waste of time. Whining on this forum or other forums or directly to Apple has changed things in the past. It is why Apple is bothering to replace the keyboards now as part of the warranty with very fast turnaround time when at first they did not even acknowledge it was a problem.

That's pure speculation on your part. I suspect it has to do with people having issues with their products and contacting the company or visiting the Apple store for repair.
 
Everyone is different when it comes to what works best for them so I certainly understand if an iPad/iOS isn’t for you, but I have found it to be an extremely flexible do it all device for me. Some aspects I find better are performance, battery life, overall costs, zero upkeep, app selection, portability, collaboration, updates, and overall simplicity. On top of that, it’s the best consumption device I have used and I like having just two devices that operate the exact same way. Adding mouse/trackpad support would be great for certain productivity apps, but it wouldn’t make it like a Mac to me, just a more advanced iPad. I see the future as much brighter for iOS and the iPad than I do macOS and the Mac so I am happy to adopt my workflows now and allow for a better level of flexibility in my position than I had with the Mac.

I can accept all that is the case for you.

But I still don't understand.

That is, besides the point you made of having 2 devices that behave the same way (which is a STRONG point), the iPad's size (particularly the mini) and drawing on it, of course? I CAN see that these 3 alone could be enough for many (most?) people. Does that sum it up for you?

What specifically are you doing with the iPad that you cannot on the Mac?

For example (These are merely my judgement-free observations in comparing the 2 device categories):

1. The MacBooks come with a screen-stand built in. You have to add it to use the iPad the same way, otherwise, you either have to hold it up, set it down flat and look down to it, or prop it up with something. I often watch videos in bed, laying face down with my MBP in front of me. This was impossible with an iPad. Navigating websites requires way more work on an iPad too. My arm doesn't need to move and it is a lot less travel for my fingers on the trackpad than on the huge iPad touchscreens. The iPad is mainly a two-handed device.

2. The MacBooks come with a keyboard built in. Adding it to the iPad makes it more cumbersome than a MB, you have to jump through (admittedly easy) hoops to get it to pair, you have to charge it separately (I think), it may not feel as good (although the likability of the KBs on MBs is arguable at best). I do see the advantage of detaching it when not needed, though.

3. The Mac trackpad offers far, far more precision than iOS touch input (because you have a cursor that doesn't block your vision), with ALL the multitouch benefits.

4. Connectivity is superior on the Macs. More ports, and much more flexible and powerful.

5. The A-series chips are powerful, but not i7-i9 powerful...yet.

6. I find Mobile websites far inferior to desktop ones, at least today.

All that said, I often wish Apple would do an iBook as an iOS-based 2-in-1. It could address most of the items above, I think, while keeping the user experience even closer to that of the iPhone.
 
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No, it does not take courage. If I could just dump my 2012 MBP and buy a ThinkPad P1, a Dell XPS 15, etc etc I would. But, first, there is no warranty for them where I live. Apple still has a "kind of" warranty. I can't spend US$3k with no warranty.

Also I'm not the only one unhappy. Leaving the apple eco system is not an option for some people and lost of them keep buying for a handful of reasons that do not include "ultimate happiness with Apple". Companies that have X or Y system implemented can't jut "drop them in a minute".

Denying there is need for improvement in some areas is just blind worship, again. Dell XPS 15 is user upgradable, etc, etc but Dell sucks in so many levels with many things. And even though there are a lot of great things in their laptops, you can complain as much as you want about Dell. Same for Lenovo ThinkPads, Razer, Huawei (rip).

Every product has flaws. Some more, some less. And user feedback is an important process for improvement. I don't care if they read this forums or not, if everyone just kept quiet they would give even less **** that they already do.

"Denying there is need for improvement in some areas is just blind worship, again."

Who's denying/saying that? That's a straw man argument. Apple, like all companies, sometimes have issues with their products. And Apple, for the most part and better than other companies, deals with those issues.


"Also I'm not the only one unhappy. Leaving the apple eco system is not an option for some people and lost of them keep buying for a handful of reasons that do not include "ultimate happiness with Apple"."

Sure it's an option. We all have choices to make in life. Some are easy, some are not. Nothing new. Simply make a choice based on what's most important for your situation.
 
Since the i7 in the base 15 is 9th gen which no longer support hyperthreading, then the base model is back to 6 threads only - down from 12 threads of the previous gen base model. Which looks like a step backwards as far using these for multi-core aware apps.... I wonder what the real world differences are between the 9th gen i7 2.6 and the 8th gen i7 2.2?

The Core i7-9850H that Apple is using in the base 15” MacBook Pro is 6c/12t, you are misinformed, I’m afraid.

Source: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...9850h-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-60-ghz.html
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I Might need to buy that before they stop offering it. I’m kicking myself for not picking up the 15 inch last gen from their website, now they are rare as new and going for 3k on eBay.

I have yet to see a Mid 2015 15” Macbook
Pro selling for $3K on eBay. Is that brand new? Or Pre-Owned?
 
$200 of your money going to Apple. The 2.4GHz is a K-Series CPU, which means it can be overclocked, which is a horrible idea in that chassis anyways. Save your money and stick to the 2.3GHz. There will not be any meaningful performance difference in the day to day, if that is your concern. Spend the extra $200 on more storage, DRAM, the Vega upgrade or Apple Care+.

Source: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/compare.html?productIds=192987,192990
These are the new 9th gen for 15 inch. Can’t find what they are calling new 8th gen for 13 inch. Slightly more clock?
 
These are the new 9th gen for 15 inch. Can’t find what they are calling new 8th gen for 13 inch. Slightly more clock?

There are no new CPUs for the 13" MBP. They simply raised the clock speeds of the Core i5-8259U and the Core i7-8559U by 100MHz on the base clock and 300MHZ and 200MHz on the Turbo Boost clocks, respectively. Who know when we will see 28w TDP U-Series from Intel...2020 at the earliest, I think, based on what I am seeing...and still on 14nm (Comet Lake-U). 10nm will be 2021.
 
I have key sticking problems with my 2018. Given that it sounds like they might start using the new materials on old ones, when should I take mine in for repair?
 
I have key sticking problems with my 2018. Given that it sounds like they might start using the new materials on old ones, when should I take mine in for repair?
I would try blowing the keys out with canned air like this - https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205662

I had a flat T key and then a mushy M key, took the canned air, used the prescribed angle, cleaned them out and I haven't had a problem with the keys since. If that doesn't fix it, then it's probably time for a Genius Bar appointment to have Apple take a look at it. Good luck!
 
Ice Lake will be low power CPUs that might be good for the MacBook or Air line, but not for MBPs. Hopefully next year Intel will get some high performance 10nm CPUs out that are appropriate for the MBP, but given their issues I'm not holding my breath.

I’m now confused. I thought Ice Lake would be the new 10nm architecture. So what is the 10nm Coffee Lake successor? Cannon Lake? I thought Ice Lake is supposed to be the successor to Cannon Lake. Not just low power U chips. This is a convoluted mess!
 
I would try blowing the keys out with canned air like this - https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205662

I had a flat T key and then a mushy M key, took the canned air, used the prescribed angle, cleaned them out and I haven't had a problem with the keys since. If that doesn't fix it, then it's probably time for a Genius Bar appointment to have Apple take a look at it. Good luck!

I'm getting it repaired at some point, but I need to get the new keyboard if possible. People have done pretty comprehensive breakdowns of the hardware, and it's an inherent design flaw.
 
I have key sticking problems with my 2018. Given that it sounds like they might start using the new materials on old ones, when should I take mine in for repair?

Sadly I don’t think they will hook up your 2018 with the 2019 keyboard just like I was told my 2016 couldn’t get the 2018 keyboard. The idea is to get people to buy new ones. It sucks but this is what companies do.

LG is also screwing 2018 OLED buyers by not giving us Airplay 2 nor iTunes when the alpha 9 when there is no hardware limitation at all.
 
Since the i7 in the base 15 is 9th gen which no longer support hyperthreading, then the base model is back to 6 threads only - down from 12 threads of the previous gen base model. Which looks like a step backwards as far using these for multi-core aware apps.... I wonder what the real world differences are between the 9th gen i7 2.6 and the 8th gen i7 2.2?

You’re confusing the mobile CPU’s with the desktop ones. Desktop ones have no HT for the i7 (need Desktop i9 for that.) Mobile i7 still has HT
 
Sadly I don’t think they will hook up your 2018 with the 2019 keyboard just like I was told my 2016 couldn’t get the 2018 keyboard. The idea is to get people to buy new ones. It sucks but this is what companies do.

LG is also screwing 2018 OLED buyers by not giving us Airplay 2 nor iTunes when the alpha 9 when there is no hardware limitation at all.

Actually, Macrumors has a recent article stating that they amazingly will for the 2018.

The new keyboard design on the 2019 MacBook Pro is still classified as "third generation" like the 2018 MacBook Pro and 2018 MacBook Air. Owners of the 2018 MacBook Pro and 2018 MacBook Air can have their keyboards replaced with ones that have the new materials during repair, according to The Verge.

To initiate a keyboard repair, visit the Get Support page on Apple's website to book a Genius Bar or Apple Authorized Service Provider appointment.

Sounds like it might be ready pretty soon as well. I'll have to contact Apple, confirm that, and get that scheduled sometime here soon.
 
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Here! here! I have never had such an invention make me lose so much work (by accidentally brushing against the escape area on the bar). I complained to Apple. They said that the bar is working as designed. I responded with, and the design is not working.


I just got mine which replaced my MBP 2014. me


Yes... its been my first month and couple times I've deleted because either the Touch Bar or the humongous touch pad.



I don't understand the humongous touchpad. there's literally point. Bit bigger yes but constantly im skipping every where when im typing its seriously pissing off
 
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Is apple serious no re design no faster graphics just a cpu update, shame on apple give us something new like a new design

This is a mid-cycle update. That means this is a bonus update. It doesn't delay the next regular update.
 
That's strange, I've just re-checked the UK (where I am) site and it still doesn't list the 8 core as an option. Maybe the site hasn't been updated. That's great if they have updated the mini too.

The 6 or 8 core is not a sub 35 watt CPU, which is required for the 13" form factor. 8 cores are 15" machines and above only.

Oh, and apple "fixed" the i9 throttling by running the CPU below its rated boost speed.

So sure... it doesn't "thermal throttle". But it is not permitted by the firmware to run at the speed it can in other machines.
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Simply making the current case thicker to accommodate a different mechanism means reworking the mounting points for the logic board, reworking the applications that control the CNC machines that mill the aluminum, testing the keyboard in the chassis that everything fit and finish wise is up to snuff.

More like "upload the old chassis design to the CNC machines and start pumping them out instead...
 
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