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A revolutionary update (read: large, complex, multi-faceted) is taking more than a handful of days to review. Shocking.
 
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As a customer, I am more than willing to pay the equivalent of this amount in order to buy software in Apple's closed system. So rest assured that we customers are I am pleased that someone has our my interests at heart. And of course it's us me paying this charge, and not you. You have already priced your apps at a level that provides you with the return that you are looking for, after the deduction of Apple's "fee". So I suggest that you should stop whingeing about this.

Of course, your objection may be that you don't want to be subject to the rules that Apple imposes, in its users' my favour. If so, you certainly share the same objections as people like FaceBook. Be aware that us customers I prefer to have Apple's protection rather than to allow just anything to be sold to us me without us me being protected
Fixed that for you. Well, except the „providing the return someone’s looking for“. Cause apps often priced competitively, not to the return a developer’s looking for.

Jesting aside, let’s not pretend you’re speaking for all and every user, are you? ;)
When you try to bite that hand that feeds you, don't be surprised when they punch you in the mouth with it.
When you punch people in the mouth with your fist, don’t be surprised if they run to their big brother - or the government - to rein you in.
 
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Apple should provide even minimal communication about a hold up like this. Either they've incorporated features that Apple plans to release in iOS16 or there is some issue with privacy perhaps. Anyway, people are just guessing scenarios that may be far worse than is actually the case.
Yep, Apple plays all kinds of anti-competitive games with App Store reviews and if Apple was to be transparent they would have a lot more trouble getting away with the games they play.
 
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Smaller app developer here. fwiw I recently submitted a new game to the App Store, preparing myself for a multi-week wait. The initial release (which I submitted on the weekend) was approved within 2 hours, and all subsequent updates have taken less than 30 minutes to approve.

So in my experience, at least, I do think the app store approval process has improved tremendously over the last 5 years.
Good for you, in all seriousness. But I suspect your app doesn't compete with one of Apple's, and hence doesn't get the scrutiny that Telegram (or Signal, or WhatsApp) does.

Apple does seem to see the App Store as a way to keep its apps' competitors on a bit of a leash.
 
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Another reason why we need app distribution competition on iOS. There's a reason the Mac App Store has pretty much been abandoned since Apple pulls that crap there so developers ignore it entirely.

Edit: Dislike me all you want but you know I'm right. Do you really think developers would be using the iOS App Store if they had the choice? The Mac App Store is proof of that since macOS has miles better options for app distribution than that draconian storefront. Like it or not, competition's gonna have to come since the Digital Markets Act is law now in Europe.
Do you think these developers would exist without the App Store? I know the answer and it is no. The only people who want to operate outside of the IOS app stores are ungrateful, greedy developers, criminals looking to exploit your iPhone/iPad, and some nut jobs who think everything should be free. These groups represent .0000000000000000000000001% of the users. Everyone else liked the App Store.
 
I have no problem paying a reasonable price for the tools I use. But 15% or 30% of my sales revenue forever, for tools whose market value can't be assessed because no competition to them is allowed, doesn't seem reasonable.

I use Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro; they cost a few hundred bucks and are well worth it. Imagine if the cost to use these tools was 30% of all the revenue from any projects you created with them. If given the choice, I doubt anyone would use them.

Apple offers XCode for free, Apple offers simulator testing for free. Apple offers SDK access for free. They only want $ 99 /year for App Review and beta testing. And of course for publishing profiles for publishing to real devices. (Yes, as a developer, you can already sideload any App to your phone ;))

If Apple would price XCode based on the cut they get from the App Store, XCode would be $ 20,000 or more per license.

Do you think these developers would exist without the App Store? I know the answer and it is no. The only people who want to operate outside of the IOS app stores are ungrateful, greedy developers, criminals looking to exploit your iPhone/iPad, and some nut jobs who think everything should be free. These groups represent .0000000000000000000000001% of the users. Everyone else liked the App Store.

Indeed. Without the App Store most apps wouldn't be able to be easily found. I actually like how Windows handles this, the Microsoft store really revolutionized how you get and install software, including automatic updates. I honestly will never sideload apps to my iPhone (except for the ones I develop myself), or install a third party app store on it.
 
Do you think these developers would exist without the App Store? I know the answer and it is no.

I mean they exist just fine on the Mac without an App Store, selling their apps themselves or through a better vendor like Steam.

The only people who want to operate outside of the IOS app stores are ungrateful, greedy developers, criminals looking to exploit your iPhone/iPad, and some nut jobs who think everything should be free.

Or you know app developers who have certain apps that Apple does not allow on the App Store like retro game emulators, virtual desktops, developers who have a refund policy since the App Store lacks one, developers who want to get updates out faster but can't because they have to wait through App Review, or maybe for some reason Apple just won't allow your app at all for internal reasons, like what happened with FlickType. Linus Media Group's app Floatplane struggled to get on the App Store having to go through numerous App Reviews that got rejected for vague reasons.


These groups represent .0000000000000000000000001% of the users. Everyone else liked the App Store.

Oh yes everyone else does...which is why the Mac App Store is pretty much forgotten right?
 
He speaks as if everyone hasn’t been inconvenienced and financially attacked at some point in their lives…ever heard of the DMV and court system?

There’s always two sides to a story, so let’s see what Apple has to say. I doubt they’re holding it for no reason, and if they are, I agree that Apple should disclose that they’re behind as a professional courtesy.

Companies need to stop with over-hyping and under delivering. Let the feature become revolutionary from real world use. There’s no need to hype it up if it’s really that great.
 
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As a regular submitter of apps to the review process I can say that whilst often an app does get cleared for review in a couple of days, and for updates sometimes within a day, it can take longer. And when it does, it’s usually because of a cock up by the developer. They’re claiming that its been stuck without any reason. I doubt that very much. I’ve simply never seen it. But I guess YMMV.
 
i don't use telegram but the more competition WhatsApp has then all the better. **** that piece of trash. Shame on Apple.

Delete Whatsapp and download Signal/Telegram.
Shame on apple for what? telegram is still available on the app store an update is under review. Telegram says apple is holding it hostage but apple has not commented. From the experiences listed here it seems apple is really good at communicating with dev's on why their app needs changes or is being held up.
 
I never understand when people bring up the "Apple tax". YOU signed a contract agreeing to give Apple 30% of your earnings if they let you use their platforms. YOU did that. It's not like some Apple collector comes banging on your door at midnight demanding an "Apple tax" that you had no idea about when you signed up to be a developer. You knew exactly what you were signing up for, and if it's so abusive and draconian like you're saying, then why did you agree to it?

And if the CEO of a top 10 app in the world somehow didn't know about that part of the contract for the last few years and you're just now finding out about it, then it's as simple as canceling your developer account and you will no longer have to pay them 30% of your App Store earnings.
 
Another reason why we need app distribution competition on iOS. There's a reason the Mac App Store has pretty much been abandoned since Apple pulls that crap there so developers ignore it entirely.

Edit: Dislike me all you want but you know I'm right. Do you really think developers would be using the iOS App Store if they had the choice? The Mac App Store is proof of that since macOS has miles better options for app distribution than that draconian storefront. Like it or not, competition's gonna have to come since the Digital Markets Act is law now in Europe.
Mac App store is dead because any one can download anything from any where.
If Apple opens up iOS app store it would exactly like Mac App store.
Why would any one want to go go through iOS app store guidelines on privacy.
 
Just like what happened with FlickType. They got Watch App Store approval just for it to get revoked, and then a month later the app got Sherlocked in the Apple Watch Series 7. I can't wait for the trial.
A month later?! You do realize that means that the functionality was already well into development and testing then, right? Apple doesn’t see an interesting app, reject it, then roll its feature set into the operating system in a month’s time. I’d imagine that a month is the minimum for QA approval on a system wide feature for any of Apple’s OSes, let alone development time before that. Plus, how did FlickType even work? The Apple Watch has no copy-paste, so you couldn’t just copy text from FlickType to other apps. It has no inter-application communication method that could exchange arbitrary text, to the best of my knowledge. If FlickType worked by injecting code into every text field to enable itself, then it was definitely using private APIs to do so, which is a well known way to get your app rejected. Some quick research indicates that it didn’t do any of the above, it just worked in its own app, which means it wasn’t even all that useful. (It looks like maybe it could send messages through the system Messages app, and that’s about it for external destinations.)
 
they want to sell their apps in iOS app store, but they want to do it for free ?
Can i sell my goods on Amazon.com for free too ?
Why am i paying cut to Amazon ?
 
That’s 12 minutes per app on average, assuming a 40-hour work week (and no holidays). Unless most submissions are immediately identifiable App Store violations, that’s probably not a realistic amount of time.
I’m sure there’s some automation going on in the approval process, which probably works for most apps, but is also why we get the “app gets approved but very quickly revoked” scenario on occasion. The app passes the automated testing (scanning for common bugs, security flaws, usage of private APIs, requesting correct entitlements), gets pushed to the store, then later fails human review. Having human review occur after the app goes live isn’t necessarily a bad idea, it can catch malicious apps that pretend to be something not malicious during the review process but then quickly flip the switch to unveil their malicious payload. Now, a malicious app playing the long game could keep its payload secret for longer and possibly only flip after human review is almost certainly over, but having it at a separate time from automated review can be an extra layer against malicious applications that hide during the initial review then trigger.
 
Scam app gets published in the App Store = Apple is evil.

App is being thoroughly reviewed = Apple is evil.
 
I can’t wait to see this awesome new feature that I’ll never use like voice chat with 1000 people or a built in RTMP ingest server or moving backgrounds or shared themes.

They could fix their horrid crawler for link previews or make it so the app is less of a battery hog but that way users communicate with each other ain’t gonna revolutionize itself I guess
 
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