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Apple Delays Leopard Release

cuatWDW said:
I don't think so. Steve Jobs stated a couple years ago, when they announced that they would be transitioning to Intel Proccessors, that "Mac OS X has set Apple up for the next 20 years. -- Personally I think 20 years may be a bit long, but I don't think Apple will move on quite yet. Besides, can you imagine saying Mac OS XI?? That's just weird.
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Oh, Jobs was exagerrating. Remember, Jobs did state that the name "Leopard" isn't actually final. Personally, with the introduction of so much new technology - the iPhone, :apple:TV, 64-bit processing, Intel Processors, most likely new Apple Cinema Displays and of course those ever elusive "Top Secret Features", it seems pretty clear to me that OS X will be left behind for OS XI or something completely different.
 
Peace said:
In Apple's statement they said Leopard "was going to be released in June at the WWDC".

Think about that..

IF they were going to release it in June there MUST be "secret stuff" missing from the dev seeds.

Apple planned on showing off that secret stuff at NAB with a shipping date during WWDC07.This would have given developers two months to work out their apps with the secret stuff included in a dev seed posted on or around the same day that 9a410 was posted.Apple saw that this "secret stuff" was bogging down the process and decided to put it off until October.
Some of this "secret stuff" includes a NEW..BRAND NEW Quicktime engine.One that has AC-3,Dolby Digital Codecs.FLAC support.Bittorrent for peer to peer colaboration in the audio/video realm.

This engine MUST work flawlessly with iTunes AND the NEW Finder/Spotlight/QuickLook..These three MUST work in tandem because when you open the new Finder it's all there.In list view.In Column view AND..More importantly in ICON view because CoverFlow is integrated..

Apple decided that this was not doable in the timeframe given because the iPhone is being worked on still.

At least thats the excuse Apple gave..

I don't buy it..

IF..I say IF..The new QT engine were working correctly several of the listed bugs would be scratched off the list..

Now lets talk filesystem..

Apple wants OS 10.5 to be UNIX certified..This is why they are working on the ZFS.Apple wants it to be an integral part of the Kernel.THAT is the other sticky widget causing the delay.

Now the real important part.

Apple wants to be able to use fast O/S application switching between the various spaces environment.In otherwords let's say you have four spaces running.One space has the app iTunes on it.Another has Mail.A third would have MS Vista on it.Whenever you "switch" from one space to the other that specific space takes the forefront in resources putting the others on the back burner.

This is another sticky widget..

Apple thought they could do it in the released timeframe.They can't.
It may have a small part to do with the iPhone but honestly it's because OS 10.5.Which I said earlier should actually be OS 11.Is becoming a daunting task.



this is a "speculation".Take it for whatever you choose to take it as.
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Hmmmm, excellent point. I never considered MS Vista running in a "Spaces" window/desktop. If Windows Vista programs won't be running natively in the next Mac OS (which some are speculating might be a "Top Secret Feature"), then running Vista altogether in a virtual desktop would be pretty amazing...
 
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CJD2112 said:
Hmmmm, excellent point. I never considered MS Vista running in a "Spaces" window/desktop. If Windows Vista programs won't be running natively in the next Mac OS (which some are speculating might be a "Top Secret Feature"), then running Vista altogether in a virtual desktop would be pretty amazing...
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I already DO this using Virtue Desktops (Space for Tiger). I have it setup to have 4 virtual desktops: one is Windows, one is iTunes and VLC, one is NeoOffice (since im always using it), and one is Safari (always opened).

cz
 
czeluff said:
I already DO this using Virtue Desktops (Space for Tiger). I have it setup to have 4 virtual desktops: one is Windows, one is iTunes and VLC, one is NeoOffice (since im always using it), and one is Safari (always opened).

cz
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So having that reside directly within the OS would be a good thing right?

The only way Apple is really going to gain significant market share in the OS and the Computer world is to get inside mainstream business. And as long as the majority of softare is still produced on the Windows platform OSX will never break through.

However, build OSX so that you can run a Windows built application on a Mac and it is a no brainer....no parrallels, no dual boot...nothing that a user would need to do as extra...that would be the trick.

When that happens, you'll see market share climb from the single digits to 10-20% easy. And that would be huge for Apple...
 
Bosunsfate said:
So having that reside directly within the OS would be a good thing right?

The only way Apple is really going to gain significant market share in the OS and the Computer world is to get inside mainstream business. And as long as the majority of softare is still produced on the Windows platform OSX will never break through.

However, build OSX so that you can run a Windows built application on a Mac and it is a no brainer....no parrallels, no dual boot...nothing that a user would need to do as extra...that would be the trick.

When that happens, you'll see market share climb from the single digits to 10-20% easy. And that would be huge for Apple...
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That's what I'm hoping is one of Leopard "Top Secret" features, and incorporating PC Application support would be the perfect way to capture a more significant portion of the OS market. Well stated.
 
CJD2112 said:
That's what I'm hoping is one of Leopard "Top Secret" features, and incorporating PC Application support would be the perfect way to capture a more significant portion of the OS market. Well stated.
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Its what I hope for every day becuase my company won't fund a Mac as a work computer...Dell is the standard.

But the only reason they can make that claim is because of the application support.

The other claim, standardizing IT support is weak at best...because with Mac's you don't need nearly the same level of support. The proof is that a lot of my co-workers, including me, self support our Macs..

Now, what you can read between the lines...IT job security, people who have learned Windows support (Certified and all), do they really want to learn something different? Or loose a job? Short sighted, but certainly a valid reaction.

So, I hope.
 
joachim said:
It's not that bad.

Being a longtime Windows user making the switch soon, I can't wait to have a stable release of Tiger, the world's greatest operating system.

Ungrateful bastards.

:)
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Amen.

My last Mac was a G3 that died years ago, and I'm using the Unupgradeable Windows Box from Hell (I swear, Lucifer himself must be responsible for my memory leaks). Until now, I'd been holding out to get a Santa Rosa MacBook Pro the day such a beast became available, presumably with Leopard. So now that Leopard's delayed, guess what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna buy a Santa Rosa MacBook Pro the day it shows up in the online Apple Store.

And I'm going to enjoy the fact that it's going to have the most incredibly solid operating system available. So what if it's not the newest thing around? It'll be gauranteed to run all of the software (multitrack audio recording/production/mastering) I need right out of the box with no tinkering and no bugs. I'll sit back and enjoy the solidness of the Glorious OSX 10.4.∞ Experience. :)

Then, probably with my first semester cash-back, I'll get giddy all over again with 10.5.1 or so. Friggin yeah! It'll be like a new computer all over again. Yessssss...

Though if they do really revamp the interface, I think Apple needs to reward themself with the XI designation. If they could actually build their own "windows emulator" from the ground up, thus supporting PC software totally natively... THAT would be a killer app. And a killer big hole for spyware and viruses... but a killer app, nonetheless. And a "killer-app" for stockholders.
 
Bosunsfate said:
The only way Apple is really going to gain significant market share in the OS and the Computer world is to get inside mainstream business. [...]

When that happens, you'll see market share climb from the single digits to 10-20% easy. And that would be huge for Apple...
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Why is that so many people have this monomaniacal obsession with Apple market share? The objective of Apple (or most other companies) is not global domination--there is no real advantage to having 100% market share, so why should it be a goal?

People may confuse the drive of any company to grow with the ultimate destination being full market saturation, but that's not how business works. There is an implicit need for balance, and all companies strive for that optimal point. Business development follows a Phillips Curve model--it will maximize revenue based on available resources (lots of low-margin products vs. fewer higher-margin products). That doesn't mean that 100% (or even 10%) market share is a goal.

All market share reflects is the relative rate of growth. It doesn't mean anything. Apple market share could theoretically fall, even as sales increase. Apple will go for making the most money--that doesn't mean increasing market share. If they can make the most money by focusing on a few products and selling them to a loyal base, that's what they're going to do. If market share goes up, attracting more developers and customers, that's a great bonus.

Though if they do really revamp the interface, I think Apple needs to reward themself with the XI designation.
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We're not going to see an "OS XI" any time in the next several years, if it is ever used (which I personally doubt). They have spent too much time and money developing "OS X" as a brand (just as "Windows" is a brand) to change it. There very well could be an OS X, version 11.x, but version numbers themselves aren't really important. Microsoft can call Vista NT 6.0, but it's no better than 5.3. Even Apple has done this (skipping to OS 8, renaming it to OS 9). If the name changes, I think it will be to step away from "OS+Roman numeral" entirely.
 
matticus008 said:
Why is that so many people have this monomaniacal obsession with Apple market share? The objective of Apple (or most other companies) is not global domination--there is no real advantage to having 100% market share, so why should it be a goal?

People may confuse the drive of any company to grow with the ultimate destination being full market saturation, but that's not how business works. There is an implicit need for balance, and all companies strive for that optimal point. Business development follows a Phillips Curve model--it will maximize revenue based on available resources (lots of low-margin products vs. fewer higher-margin products). That doesn't mean that 100% (or even 10%) market share is a goal.

All market share reflects is the relative rate of growth. It doesn't mean anything. Apple market share could theoretically fall, even as sales increase. Apple will go for making the most money--that doesn't mean increasing market share. If they can make the most money by focusing on a few products and selling them to a loyal base, that's what they're going to do. If market share goes up, attracting more developers and customers, that's a great bonus.
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I wouldn't consider myself as having a pathological obession with one idea or subject. However maybe you could read that as everyone on MacRumors. :p

For me, the relationship to market share was about an increase in sales, a signficant increase in sales. Apple's market share has increased about a perecent and that has a direct relationship to why Apple is selling more Macs than ever before.

Selling more Macs, means more people are using them. More people using them, means more companies will build software for them.

Right now, the pool of companies that build software for Macs, especially business software is pretty small....way too small.

Am I obessed with that? Of course...I work every day with my Dell, and I hate it...but until my Mac can do what I need at work...I'm stuck with it...:(

And until Apple has a much larger market share nothing will change.

P.S. I don't think of demonination by Apple as a good thing. In fact, I think it would be bad...any time someone is in too much control its a bad thing..
 
Apple is a car driving down the highway of life. That car is a Porsche.
Steve Jobs is at the wheel and we're all sat in the back seat shouting at the driver becuase he should have stopped at the last gas station and were worried were gonna get stranded. Steve looks in the mirror and mouths the words 'This is MY car!I say when we stop for gas.Now shut the FU and enjoy the ride'

Microsoft is a also a car driving down the highway of life. That car is a beaten up old wreck but it's had a nice shiny new paint job and some new fenders so from a distance it sort of looks nice. Steve Balmer is at the wheel and Bill Gates is in the front passenger seat occasionally grabbing the wheel as Balmer pulls a mooney at us as they sped by. As we see the rear of the M$ car we notice a lot of smoke coming out the tailpipe. It's making it kind of hard to see where we are going but it's ok cos Steve is a great driver and he knows where this road is leading!.

Steve looks round and tells us to hold on cos he's gonna nail it past those two idiots in the station wagon. Steve nails it and the engine thrums and the Apple Porsche races down the highway of life. We, the passengers, fall silent in awe as Steve effortlessly dodges the hubcaps and bits of faux wood trim that come bouncing off the M$ station wagon.

In other words -just enjoy the ride - whatever's happening at least were not in the m$ station wagon listing to Balmers wolf cries and watching as Bill weakly and sympathetically punches the air and cries 'right on' in a muffled voice.

(p. s: That iphone bloody well better have integrated gps!.)
 
Too bad for students

I'm starting grad school in August, and planned to pick up a MacBook this summer once Leopard came out. This is really too bad, because there's no way I'm going to upgrade mid semester and risk being computer-less for a few days.

I figured they'd tie in product updates with the Leopard release, too. Hope they still manage to get the next MacBook out. The discounted Dell bundle is looking better all the time!
 
The worst part of all is that the iFone will be available in June '07 *only* in the USA.
Well anyway, the rest of the world will have Leopard before the iFone. :rolleyes:
 
powermac_daddy said:
what the hell is going on? this is going to screw up my plan big time. very disappointed. wtf!!!
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ME TOO!

I have been planning to buy an iMac and was waiting for Leopard as well as the new hardware. I guess they won't release the new hardware until October as well which really sucks.

I have always used a Windows machine so maybe I will just go and buy a new Dell.

Way to go Apple you really are showing your true colors with this one.:mad:
 
just get it done!

I'm not a mac user as of yet because still waiting for Leopard. I only know Microsoft and was hoping too change by now to apple but that's my luck. I've used Vista and it sucks that is why changing. So far I'm very disappointed not because of the wait but the reason!!! I also want them to get it right but do one damn thing at a time or apple will become just like Microsoft.
 
matticus008 said:
We're not going to see an "OS XI" any time in the next several years, if it is ever used (which I personally doubt). They have spent too much time and money developing "OS X" as a brand (just as "Windows" is a brand) to change it. There very well could be an OS X, version 11.x, but version numbers themselves aren't really important. Microsoft can call Vista NT 6.0, but it's no better than 5.3. Even Apple has done this (skipping to OS 8, renaming it to OS 9). If the name changes, I think it will be to step away from "OS+Roman numeral" entirely.
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OS XI will be called Steve 1.0.
:cool:
 
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